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Old 05-14-2014, 01:11 PM   #361
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This brings up another question. If using shop water is bad for the system, why do we use it when doing a flush? Also how do u get it back out ? So basically we will still have contamination?

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This brings up another question. If using shop water is bad for the system, why do we use it when doing a flush? Also how do u get it back out ? So basically we will still have contamination?

You are supposed to use distilled water... if you don't trust your dealer then take your own with you and make sure they use it ... or buy or make sure they use Mopar OAT 50/50 premix.

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Just checked my 2014, radiator coolant sure looks orange.. stuff in the burp bottle is definitely purple.
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Need opinions...

I'm struggling with this issue. I don't want to fix something that's not broken. I fear if I take this to Chrysler they will mark my JK for life and then will flush the system. This may open a can of worms if not done correctly. Also it could create a problem if they perform a pressurized flush and it dislodges something and clogs the heater core, etc.

My JKU is operating at awesome levels... see attached photos.

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What would you do knowing you have high content of aluminum in your antifreeze, but your cooling system and heater is operating perfect?

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Need opinions...

I'm struggling with this issue. I don't want to fix something that's not broken. I fear if I take this to Chrysler they will mark my JK for life and then will flush the system. This may open a can of worms if not done correctly. Also it could create a problem if they perform a pressurized flush and it dislodges something and clogs the heater core, etc.

My JKU is operating at awesome levels... see attached photos.

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What would you do knowing you have high content of aluminum in your antifreeze, but your cooling system and heater is operating perfect?

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Those temps are fine. In answer to your question: I would flush the cooling system myself and use the method I descried a few times in this thread. Depending on the cost of having the coolant analyzed I would send a sample off a week after the flush, and another 6 months later. Hopefully the first sample would indicate a much lower aluminum content [it will never be perfect], and the sample sent 6 months later would be normal based on the sample taken just after the flush.

I wouldn't want the dealer touching it. The risk of them making it worse, messing something else up, etc. is always a possibility. JMO
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Need opinions... I'm struggling with this issue. I don't want to fix something that's not broken. I fear if I take this to Chrysler they will mark my JK for life and then will flush the system. This may open a can of worms if not done correctly. Also it could create a problem if they perform a pressurized flush and it dislodges something and clogs the heater core, etc. My JKU is operating at awesome levels... see attached photos. The question is... What would you do knowing you have high content of aluminum in your antifreeze, but your cooling system and heater is operating perfect? .
I'd have to agree with Demar. Flush it yourself and go from there. I finally got mine back yesterday. 16 days at the dealer on the 4th try and it seems to be good now (knock on wood). I don't even know at this point what they've done to it, and what parts have been changed, but I have heat and no waterfall noises anymore.

As for the aluminum levels in your readings, hopefully they go down, but having said that there still isn't clarification on exactly what the high aluminum levels mean. All I saw was that Ed was 'concerned' about it.
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I'd have to agree with Demar. Flush it yourself and go from there. I finally got mine back yesterday. 16 days at the dealer on the 4th try and it seems to be good now (knock on wood). I don't even know at this point what they've done to it, and what parts have been changed, but I have heat and no waterfall noises anymore.

As for the aluminum levels in your readings, hopefully they go down, but having said that there still isn't clarification on exactly what the high aluminum levels mean. All I saw was that Ed was 'concerned' about it.
Did they give you any paperwork? I'd be curious to know what exactly they did.
And for M998, flush it yourself and go from there. Even if you just drain, flush with water and refill without backflushing everything seperately you will be getting rid of the old coolant. Even a simple drain and refill would be better than nothing.
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I just had mine flushed last week. Mine is an early build 2013 with 5900 miles on it. After following this thread I checked my overflow bottle and low and behold sludge. I call my local dealer (Adams Jeep) and they made me an appt right away. They did a complete flush with the Mopar cooling system cleaner and refilled with 50/50 oat premix. Yes I verified the pt # on the invoice. So far no problems and no waterfall noises. Still smells a little like antifreeze but that will go away soon.
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Did they give you any paperwork? I'd be curious to know what exactly they did. And for M998, flush it yourself and go from there. Even if you just drain, flush with water and refill without backflushing everything seperately you will be getting rid of the old coolant. Even a simple drain and refill would be better than nothing.
I'm not sure what exactly they've done. They never have paperwork for me when I pick up the Jeep, it's always ready a few days later. When I do get the work order I'll let you guys know what was done.
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I'm not sure what exactly they've done. They never have paperwork for me when I pick up the Jeep, it's always ready a few days later. When I do get the work order I'll let you guys know what was done.
Wow... where do you live?

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Wow... where do you live? .
About 45 minutes west of Toronto. Apparently they need to 'process' things through warranty and then provide a work order. All I know is that so far (knock on wood) my Jeep SEEMS fixed.
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Here in Califorinia they have to give you a RO before you leave it and then provide a completed RO with the parts that were installed and dispositions of the reported problems.

The Repair Order is a legal document here. Multiple RO's need to show traceability to the original complaint with three repair attempts in order to lemon law a vehicle.

That's why it's super important to review the Repair Orders for accuracy.

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I'm not sure what exactly they've done. They never have paperwork for me when I pick up the Jeep, it's always ready a few days later. When I do get the work order I'll let you guys know what was done.
I'd be interested in knowing what they did. Does anyone know if the coolant is available in a concentrate instead of the 50/50 premix?

Kudos to the guys doing a preemptive cooling system flush. For the cost of a new Wrangler, and the risk of something getting it messed up waiting [for the problem, or having the dealer do the flush] I think it is money well spent!
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Here in Califorinia they have to give you a RO before you leave it and then provide a completed RO with the parts that were installed and dispositions of the reported problems. The Repair Order is a legal document here. Multiple RO's need to show traceability to the original complaint with three repair attempts in order to lemon law a vehicle. That's why it's super important to review the Repair Orders for accuracy. .
I've been given my RO's, just not at pick up. And I also looked into Lemon laws here- they don't exist. Best I could do is arbitration. There doesn't seem to be a cut and dry method to get them to take the Jeep back. So for now I hope it's fixed.
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This is the mopar stuff in concentrate. It's about $22 gallon.

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I'd be interested in knowing what they did. Does anyone know if the coolant is available in a concentrate instead of the 50/50 premix?

Kudos to the guys doing a preemptive cooling system flush. For the cost of a new Wrangler, and the risk of something getting it messed up waiting [for the problem, or having the dealer do the flush] I think it is money well spent!
Yes... I bought some. This is what it looks like diluted 50/50 with distilled water (in Ratio Rite mixer) to the right. Left side, is the sample of OAT taken from my coolant system with Mopar Stop Leak mixed into the antifreeze.

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This is the mopar stuff in concentrate. It's about $22 gallon.

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That can't be Mopar OAT... maybe orange Mopar HOAT or Kool Aid?

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This is the mopar stuff in concentrate. It's about $22 gallon.
Looks more like the orange HOAT, not the purple OAT, and $22/gal is not even 1/2 the price of the concentrated OAT.
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You guys that did a flush how much of a PITA was it to get the thermostat out?
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Demar ... it looks as if the T-stat housing is easy to get to once you remove the air intake ducting.

Here's some photos and illustrations.

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^^ Thanks Buddy! It looks like an easy job, and taking it out for a flush would be the smart way to do the job.
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Need opinions...

I'm struggling with this issue.

The question is...

What would you do knowing you have high content of aluminum in your antifreeze, but your cooling system and heater is operating perfect?

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I would do a flush and refill either myself or take it to a trusted indy and bring your own jugs of OAT and distilled water. And I wouldn't add any new stop leak (my theory is that any tiny leaks right off the bat would already be plugged by the stop leak (reacts with air) and a simple flush and refill shouldn't disrupt that). The refill will get rid of the aluminum and can't hurt anything (assuming done right, no dealer, bring your own fluid). That's what i plan on doing around the time of initial oil change maybe 3000 km (2000 miles) or so.
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I have a 2013 Wrangler 4 door. 12K miles and no heat would come of the heater so I found the nearest dealer since it's under warranty. They diagnosed it to be the heater core and said it would take 2 days. I went to check on it after two days and they're replacing the radiator, transmission oil cooler and any thing else that sees coolant. They claim it's a known problem and due to the radiator not being cleaned properly when manufactured. I hadn't heard that one before. They showed my the coolant residue in the recovery tank and it was discolored. It will be 4 days tomorrow and hoping to get it back. I'm out of state and just passing through Alabama so this is a real pain.
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Hey Tom C..

That's what scares me about the dealers and this issue. It turns into a replace everything fiasco. I still don't trust their ability to diagnose the heater core issue properly... there's many things that can go wrong there other than a plugged core.

But you could have one of those radiators that had excessive flux. I would double check to make sure they used the correct antifreeze, otherwise you may be doing this again.

Btw... residue in the overflow tank doesn't necessarily mean anything is wrong.. do they know that could be Mopar Stop Leak?

Good luck with it.

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I am going to change my antifreeze out based on what I have read in this thread. Mine is discolored and murky but I don't see any sludge in the overflow and so far I have had no issues with the heater. IMO it is always better to be proactive instead of waiting for issues to pop up. I am not sure if I will do it myself or have the dealer do it when it goes in for its last free oil change. It might be a good test to see if the sevice department is any good. I have heard it is but I was not too impressed with my first oil change. How much effort does it take to wipe up after a job? Antifreeze is cheap peace of mind.
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I am going to change my antifreeze out based on what I have read in this thread. Mine is discolored and murky but I don't see any sludge in the overflow and so far I have had no issues with the heater. IMO it is always better to be proactive instead of waiting for issues to pop up. I am not sure if I will do it myself or have the dealer do it when it goes in for its last free oil change. It might be a good test to see if the sevice department is any good. I have heard it is but I was not too impressed with my first oil change. How much effort does it take to wipe up after a job? Antifreeze is cheap peace of mind.
With this issue I think you're doing the right preventative maintenance. I would opt to do it myself though. If I couldn't I'd make sure I watched the dealer do it, and made sure the tech did the proper flush and used the right coolant. Part of the issue in some instances is the dealer screwing up throwing the wrong coolant in, watching would eliminate that.
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m998 - so did you ever flush your coolant? any details on that? Anything further?
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Get this. I took my jeep to Landers McLarty Dodge/Jeep since it was under warranty. Bottom line is they said they had to replace the heater core. In doing so they removed both front seats, the entire dash, center console, intake manifold, radiator and transmission cooler. While doing so the technician couldn't get a bracket out from the dash so he cut it in half. He then closed both front doors and dented both doors, scratched the paint and bent both door jams. The dealership said there would be a delay
since they would have to send them to their body and paint shop. There was no way this place could ever make this jeep right again. I feel like we were forced into trading up and getting a Rubicon. It's nice but I was happy with my other one. I do not recommend anyone have work done at this dealership in Bessemer Alabama.

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