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Old 07-22-2014, 03:45 PM   #1
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Best Cold Air Intake (Options)

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I'm stuck between three types of Cold Air intakes for my JKU Auto 2013. Please note that in the near future I will add a snorkel kit as well. I'm looking for thoughts, references, preferences and any information regarding observed performance. Currently, I am reviewing the following:

AIRAID Cold Air Dam Intake: $343 w/ sythamax filter

VOLANT CAI Cool Air Intake: $324

BANKS Ram Air Intake: $307

Cheers!

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Define best? Seems like wasted money to me, and doubly so if you're going to buy a snorkel in the future.

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None of them have any proof of meaningful gains to hp or mpg. If it's sucking in hot engine bay air, it's not really a CAI anyway...the only way it can be one is to put the filter lower which is the exact opposite of what you want to do because of the risk of sucking in water.

An intake will only produce gains if the factory setup is a bottleneck. Ours isn't.
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To be fair he will gain hp if he spends time at 4000 rpms. Though I have no idea why he would be...

OP keep the stock intake. Especially if you're getting a snorkel. CAIs do more harm than good. Imagine all the other mods you can do with that money
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3.6 liter is already tuned as good as it's going to get short of using an electronic tune on the computer, and this only if you drive an automatic. This is evident in that there is no way to add headers, and that all CAIs for the 3.6 only change the sound.

Get the snorkle that fits what you have, or whatever the kit requires.

Otherwise look into a supercharger.
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Great Advice!

I appreciate your responses, and will save my money for the snorkel.

Thanks Again!
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I have been running the Banks intake since December and I like it. As I have stated before, if you are doing this as a stand alone mod, it is useless and a waste of money. However, I installed a Gibson dual exhaust and Superchips Flash Paq at the same time and have noticed more power and better fuel economy. Both are very good "pros" after the lift and 35's were added. I have been searching for snorkels since my last trail riding adventure which involved a water crossing. The water was mid way up the tires and got me to thinking that if the water were any deeper, I would run into certain trouble.

Cliff notes: If water crossings are in your future, save the money for a good snorkel kit.
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I have been running the Banks intake since December and I like it. As I have stated before, if you are doing this as a stand alone mod, it is useless and a waste of money. However, I installed a Gibson dual exhaust and Superchips Flash Paq at the same time and have noticed more power and better fuel economy. Both are very good "pros" after the lift and 35's were added. I have been searching for snorkels since my last trail riding adventure which involved a water crossing. The water was mid way up the tires and got me to thinking that if the water were any deeper, I would run into certain trouble. Cliff notes: If water crossings are in your future, save the money for a good snorkel kit.
Is there any chance you still have your stock intake around and could dyno it with the filter and dyno it after?

Even with the other mods, chip and exhaust an intake shouldn't add horsepower.
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Is there any chance you still have your stock intake around and could dyno it with the filter and dyno it after?

Even with the other mods, chip and exhaust an intake shouldn't add horsepower.
I do still have my stock intake, but chances of dyno runs are in the toilet. All hopes are not lost as there is a thread on here already, search "Banks Dyno Day". Please explain your logic as to why it shouldn't add horsepower, because with practically any internal combustion engine, more air in=more power. While an aftermarket air intake might only add a small amount of air, it is still a small amount not a negative amount. Do you have any dyno sheets that prove your logic?
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This is the best cold air intake



10-20% increase in fuel economy if I drive normally, about 90% torque gain, about 65% power gain, sounds nearly stock when idling or driving normally, but get on the throttle and the noises will stop passengers mid-sentence and make them smile.
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Same. Wait for the snorkel.
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Hahaha, yes that is the best air intake! Do you have a dyno to prove the power increase??

Joking!
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I do still have my stock intake, but chances of dyno runs are in the toilet. All hopes are not lost as there is a thread on here already, search "Banks Dyno Day". Please explain your logic as to why it shouldn't add horsepower, because with practically any internal combustion engine, more air in=more power. While an aftermarket air intake might only add a small amount of air, it is still a small amount not a negative amount. Do you have any dyno sheets that prove your logic?
Here's a quote from the Jeep Engineers:
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As with any "system" on the vehicle, such as the air induction system, there is a certain amount of compromise that needs to be designed into it. What I mean is that you could maximize flow, but at what cost to filtration and protection of the engine? Essentially we design the stock intake system to meet the airflow requirements of the engine while still protecting it from fine particle ingestion. Will a cold air intake possibly flow a little more? Perhaps, but it may potentially allow larger particles through that the stock paper element would not.
http://www.tricktuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226

That's a dyno for a 4.0 TJ. Same concept. No noticeable gains from the CAI. They noticed more horsepower being gained from changing tire pressure. (Which says something)

It's basic physics and called the bottle neck effect. If you have a funnel full of water, then fill it with more water, it's not going to pour any faster.

So any arguments claiming you're inducing more air into the engine for combustion are out. Especially since it's not "cold" air anymore since it's so close to the engine.

With the poor mileage jeeps get already, don't you think they're do whatever they could to increase mileage already?
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You asked for a dyno graph, I provided one that shows a noticeable gain in HP from an aftermarket intake/exhaust. Thank you for the quote from the Jeep engineers, but I know how filters work as I used to design and engineer filters for commercial/industrial applications. Your "bottle neck" analogy is nice, but doesn't work for this scenario. Here is why: The water in this case would be air, and the bottle neck would be the filter. So when air meets a filter that allows more air to pass through it, a funny thing happens....more air gets into the engine. Have you ever seen a turbo/supercharger system use a factory style air intake? Forced induction is the same principal but on a much larger scale, as the more air the engine gets, the more power it will produce. Your point of the intake sucking in hot air is also inaccurate. If you look at the factory intake it is sucking air from the front of the Jeep, between the grille and hood. The Banks intake is sucking air from the same spot and at the same distance as the factory intake, but from a bigger area and across a bigger filter surface. Finally, about the mileage, I said that I have gotten better mileage with the addition of the intake/exhaust/programmer after the installation of the lift and 35's.
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I think what he is saying about the funnel deal is somewhat correct. I've had cold air intakes on both of my old jeeps. With no noticeable difference. Maybe on a dyno, but I have better things to do than find a dyno to test my "JEEP" on. That's ridiculous. A waste of money in my opinion. If you feel that you need such a minuscule amount of extra HP in a jeep, then you shouldn't have boughten a jeep. You can have the filter the size of a VW beetle. But you still only have a 3" hole to push it all through. So no matter the size of filter, it's still the same amount of air going in. You haven't changed the outlet of the funnel, you've only changed the inlet. Get the snorkel and save your $. Don't buy into the garbage that teenagers that drive civics and cavaliers do all too often. I suppose you can also put flame stickers on, that might work too!
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The stock intake is restrictive, no matter how you look at it. It is perfect for stock Jeeps, but there are people that want more than stock. That is why there is a huge aftermarket, especially for Jeeps. Forgive me for wanting to get more power out of my Jeep after the lift and 35" MT's. Why do so many people get butt hurt when it comes to aftermarket intakes? OP, you wanted opinions from people that have had these intakes and I have one and I really like it and won't be losing sleep over it. Still want someone to show me a dyno of an aftermarket intake/exhaust losing power. Excuse me while I go peel the flame stickers off my Jeep.
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This is the best cold air intake



10-20% increase in fuel economy if I drive normally, about 90% torque gain, about 65% power gain, sounds nearly stock when idling or driving normally, but get on the throttle and the noises will stop passengers mid-sentence and make them smile.
you really like showing that off.

its still not a "CAI" though

and K&N's arent known for being the greatest thing for a turbo, but its your jeep.
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wanting to get more power out of my Jeep after the lift and 35" MT's.
Why not just regear and know you've spent the money in a place that will count? I'm not bashing your opinion. That's yours and you are entitled to it like everyone else is. I'm not the one asking for proof or trying to prove it. If I was "butt hurt" as you call it. I would be posting links and web pages on where to find the info to try and make myself feel better about the shitty purchase I made. And I wouldn't peel them stickers off quite yet. They still seem to have a slight affect. Maybe slap a few of them chrome stick on vent deals.
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Jeepers, I'm stuck between three types of Cold Air intakes for my JKU Auto 2013. Please note that in the near future I will add a snorkel kit as well. I'm looking for thoughts, references, preferences and any information regarding observed performance. Currently, I am reviewing the following: AIRAID Cold Air Dam Intake: $343 w/ sythamax filter VOLANT CAI Cool Air Intake: $324 BANKS Ram Air Intake: $307 Cheers!
My friend had a 2012 that he added the Banks Stinger system to (Banks exhaust and intake). He said he really felt a difference. I've never been a fan of the oil-type intakes, just cause I hate messing with them. I like Volants setup cause you can get it with a Donaldson filter, which is re-usable and filters better than the stock filter. I would go with the Volant.
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Air intake

Thought about it til I read so many comments on how many ways I could better spend my money
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A block of dry ice next to the stock air intake. It will provide colder air and it will make your Jeep 'feel' more powerful.

Even if it doesn't 'feel' more powerful, you will at least have cooler air going to the combustion chambers.
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I have long been a fan of improving the engine respiratory system. But the benefits have been declining over time and have reached the point where they are negligible due to the increased efficiency of the stock system coupled with increased control of the ECU which greatly limits the ability to make changes.

Unless you can reprogram the ECU to accommodate any mod to engine, it will compensate for the change. The value of programmers has also diminished because they aren't getting the specs from the factory. If they were, it wouldn't take them months/years to produce a product for the new engines.

It's good to know that are still those who "like" CAIs because someone has to keep the industry going. If you are inclined to buy one, get it based on looks, noise level or price.
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Such a pretty metal tube to absorb engine heat...
No doubt it'll outflow the factory setup though, so long as the throttle body can handle it.
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I'm stuck between three types of Cold Air intakes for my JKU Auto 2013.
Keep in mind that if you go with one of these it will probably void any engine related factory warranty claim that may occur. It has happened to others on the forum.
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Cai is a waste of good money with any newer vehicle, no matter what make. Your engine is computer controlled, so more air even if rammed in. Ram air induction. Isn't going to help much, more air is no good without more gas. On a engine running a carb the air flow pulled the gas into the jets, that would mean the more air you forced in the more fuel you forced in. Not so anymore kids. If you don't reprogram or flash that computer then your gains will be minimal at best. You will see a small increase because your 02 sensor will be telling your computer you are running lean so It will increase fuel flow to compensate. That being said it can only compensate just so much. After that point no more power increase, and most likely and error code. A whole room full of air will not burn. We'll unless it is pure oxygen.
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Jeepers,

I'm stuck between three types of Cold Air intakes for my JKU Auto 2013. Please note that in the near future I will add a snorkel kit as well. I'm looking for thoughts, references, preferences and any information regarding observed performance. Currently, I am reviewing the following:

AIRAID Cold Air Dam Intake: $343 w/ sythamax filter

VOLANT CAI Cool Air Intake: $324

BANKS Ram Air Intake: $307

Cheers!
I tried a K&N and did not think it did much. I am an engineer by trade, so i looked at the stock air box and right off the bat the rectangular tube that comes in to grab the air is too long. I took that back a little over 2/3's with a saws-all. I then re-installed just the that stock air box and made small scratch marks with an awl on where to drill 1inch holes. I tried 3 at first, not enough. I added 3 more and BAM, she growls perfectly and there was deff a noticeable difference in throttle response. I then added a drop in K&N and the growl got even sweeter. I believe the difference in the fiber of the filter did that. I am extremely happy with the purr and the added 1MPG and all for less than $50.

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