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Old 03-07-2014, 08:53 PM   #31
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Old 03-07-2014, 09:04 PM   #32
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Yeah, the dude simply ignored all post except the one giving him information he wanted to read.
Let's see what he's posting 20k later when the filter has let enough dirt through to replant my lemon tree.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.........

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Old 03-07-2014, 09:07 PM   #33
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You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.........
If he tries to cross the water, his Cold Water Intake will drink plenty for him.

(Ha never heard cold water intake before! Thanks for the laughs, 2trackin!)
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Old 03-07-2014, 09:15 PM   #34
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Thank you so much! This is the type of input I look forward to on this forum. Not those horse sayers that always like Nay, Nay, Nay no matter what I ask about.
So, let's review. After many, many replies warning you against doing such a mod you focused on the one reply where someone installed one and posted his butt dyno placebo effect results. It sounds louder so it must increase hp, right?

Additionally, if you had clicked on the link about the thread where the owner's warranty was voided because of his CAI you would have seen that it was the dealer who installed it and it was a Mopar CAI.

It's your money but don't say people didn't try to warn you. I have nothing more to say.
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Oh and on a side note. If you were to data log your intake temps before and after your "cold air intake" you will find that in fact your now pulling more warm air from under the hood than before.
You could have simply threw a cone filter right on the throttle body and achieved the same thing as your $200+ piece of pipe
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Yep, not a good decision!

But it's his Wrangler and money, so he is entitled to spend his money and make mistakes, just like we all have in life.

I would like to think that I have always been perfect, but Ha, Ha, I have pulled some real blunders in my youthful days....

So all that we can do for somebody like this is wish them luck, and of coarse, in the future,
HELLOOOOOOOOOO WAKE UP.........
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Hey, don't bash the CAIs too much I am trying to sell a K&N CAI and cannot get any takers even at $25 so easy on the bashing until I sell this one.
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^^^sorry about that..........

Well let me try, Hey here is your opportunity too gain better fuel economy, more HP, along with increased torque, plus the placebo effect from the intake noise, is just outstanding...

So don't miss out in this once of a lifetime opportunity, so HURRY.......

In all seriousness, try craigslist!
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Old 03-08-2014, 12:47 PM   #39
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Funny thing is I LOVE a CAI for sports cars, sound is great and I have put them on many a new sports car.

But a Jeep just has a different purpose, one that does not align itself well to the CAI attributes.

Can that CAI fit a 300 or something? Maybe find a forum that would appreciate it and try to sell it there?
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^^^sorry about that.......... Well let me try, Hey here is your opportunity too gain better fuel economy, more HP, along with increased torque, plus the placebo effect from the intake noise, is just outstanding... So don't miss out in this once of a lifetime opportunity, so HURRY....... In all seriousness, try craigslist!
Ha ha. This post will be resurrected for years to come by newbies. Have fun
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Yeah, the dude simply ignored all post except the one giving him information he wanted to read. Let's see what he's posting 20k later when the filter has let enough dirt through to replant my lemon tree.
You are supposed to clean them... Every Air filter on every car gets dirty, (CAI or stock intake) that's why they replace them when it's not a k&n filter or something similar
Pulled the filter off my 97 mustang's CAI and it looked like it was covered in tar. Pretty gross
But any point being dirt on the filter is not vehicle type specific, it's all of them.
This guy was obviously set on getting one, and honestly I'm going to too
To each their own
That's the beauty of it that you get to do what you want and make it yours
Maybe he'll keep it on maybe he won't who knows

Regardless I think it looks nice and I'm curious to hear about its effect on mpg in a few weeks if it's still the same
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Old 03-08-2014, 02:54 PM   #42
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So quick question. What are the differences between the stock air filter and the mopar cai filter the makes it more hungry for water
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So quick question. What are the differences between the stock air filter and the mopar cai filter the makes it more hungry for water
I think they're just poking fun
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Here's a cai review. It's based off a 4.0 tj but it's the same idea
Cold Air Intake Myth: A cold air intake with an open dry or oil-impregnated gauze filter will increase power and mileage. Our Thoughts: While not all aftermarket filter media are as efficient at trapping dirt as the factory-spec paper plate filters, there's no denying you'll see improved mileage and feel a definite seat-of-the-pants improvement. Claimed Gains: 10-20hp and 1-3mpg Actual Gains: 5-10hp Notes: A good cold air intake will wake up any '91-up MPI HO 4.0L with snappier off-idle acceleration, improved top end pulling power, and a definite 1mpg increase. On some models, the major benefit comes from replacing the kinked, convoluted factory ducting.
I really like the last sentence. Sums it up there.

It's like removing your muffler to get more hp. It sounds louder too!
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Old 03-08-2014, 03:19 PM   #45
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With a CAI being wide open it is very suseptible to ingesting water off road or big puddles. Which in turns hydro locks the motor.
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Old 03-08-2014, 03:29 PM   #46
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Aftermarket CAI's are designed to suck more "air" into the engine by design of the filter. But when water enters the equation, it's an open season for more than just air to enter the engine.

If you're planning on only getting your "toes" wet, there's no need to be worried. But if you plan on playing in water like a Lab, a snorkel is the way to go
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Ok thanks, don't plan on gettin one just wanted to see how it works
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If there was a better design to improve mpg, and performance, then the Jeep factory would have incorporated it into our Wranglers, particularly since the FEDS have the hammer on them to improve fuel economy!

These after market intake filter systems, are just a marketing ploy! They will do nothing positive for you, and the filtration on most are not as good. Therefore larger micron silicon (dirt) particles will enter into your engine as abrasives. Is that really what you want?????
Hopefully common sense should answer that question!
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Ok thanks, don't plan on gettin one just wanted to see how it works

I am not sure what year your Jeep is but take a look at the air intake level of your factory system. Now, when you put on a CAI you lower the air intake level at least 5" if not more. On my 2014 the difference between the factory air intake level and the K&N CAI was, well, frightening. On my 2010 the difference did not seem to be so dramatic but on the 2014 it is. I am staying with factory as this new Pentastar engine does not seem to like the CAI and the new air intake is nice and high, very high. I cannot wait to get it wet!
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If there was a better design to improve mpg, and performance, then the Jeep factory would have incorporated it into our Wranglers, particularly since the FEDS have the hammer on them to improve fuel economy!

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This has been my point in several threads on this subject. The stock air induction system on modern engines will flow more air than the engine is capable of pumping. So,in order to actually utilize the "increased air flow capability" of the CAI; one would have to increase the amount of air the engine could pump. And that can only be done by increasing the displacement, RPM,s, or doing some head work or a combination of all three. And if one just increases the displacement or RPM's without doing some head work it will probably just screw thiings up because then the heads will not flow the amount of air requrired.
Or go with forced induction, which is probably the cheapest and simplest!
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CAI's on a 3.6 Wrangler are a waste of money.

It isn't that CAI's can't work (they are fine for cars on a track), it is that they are near useless for a 2 ton brick on wheels that needs power off idle (instead of at +4000 rpms) and are often in dusty or wet conditions.

Plus, to get more power, you have to adjust the entire system...that means input AND output.

If is your money, and if the Jeep is a pavement pounder you will probably be OK from a filtration standpoint, but you are basically doing it for the sound and the look.
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Old 03-09-2014, 01:31 PM   #52
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My 13 came w Banks CAI. While the design should minimize hot air suction over other brands i dont like the "roar" under partial or full throttle which also vibrates in the cab. Maybe its exaggerated because i have 35s. Although i dont plan to submerge it, going through puddles concerns me. Big tires and Jeeps design is prone to take on lots of water in the engine bay.

I want to believe it saves gas and has more power but the RWHP is minimal and thats where it counts. For those who want one get it if it makes you feel good.

Luckily my neighbor gave me an OE CAI which i plan to install soon. Prefer peace of mind plus my Flashpaq is a lot more effective.
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Old 03-10-2014, 06:56 PM   #53
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Sorry to barge in... prefilter available for airaid cai is water proof...After reading all the negative threads about cai I wrote to Airaid and here is the reply: ( starting by the email I sent them)
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CAI & TBS

I have received my CAI 311-132 and Tbs and will install soon or will I? I read so many jeep forums and most threads are saying that they are worthless that the JK 2012 cannot be improved with those!..I cannot find any professional review from actual scientific reviews beside those from Airaid and other companies selling similar products! Was there such test done to prove once and for all that there is scientific prove of the improvement that these units bring? Reading these forum, if what seems like hardcore jeeper, nay sayers almost make me feel that I have wasted money on a placebo


Thank you for your inquiry. If you are hoping to gain an additional 50 horsepower and foot pounds of torque with the intake and spacer you will be disappointed after installing them as that is just not going to happen. What I can say is during the development of the intake for the Wrangler we did extensive testing and were able to design a system that produces increases of 8hp and 12ft/lbs of torque and the dyno sheet is attached for you to review.

The PowerAid was developed several years ago to help increase low to mid-range performance. This is accomplished with the patented helix bore of the spacer that introduces a spinning motion to the incoming air for better atomization of the air fuel mixture. The result is increased torque in the low to mid-range rpms from idle to approximately 2500rpm. The spacer will add another 5-6ft/lbs of torque and will complement the intake system.

While you will hear a lot of negativity on the forums about performance items like ours the majority of it is from customers that have never tried it or may have used a cheap knock off part that saved them a few dollars however does not have the extensive research, testing and development work that goes into each and every performance part we make. To show you how confident we are in our product we offer a 30 day money back guarantee that will allow you to install and try the product and see for yourself how they work.

I hope I have answered your questions and invite you to get back with me if you have any additional ones.


http://www.airaid.com/Documents/Dyno...132%20dyno.jpg


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There marketing team is almost as good as Mobile 1, so therefore, they have earned a hand, (not for the product), but rather the marketing ploy placebo..........
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Its the water crossing issue... As stated earlier, I have always enjoyed a good open element filter on sports cars, as much for the sound they make as anything else.

Waterproof covers are a good start to avoid splash induced hydro lock (demonstrated in my earlier post), but more aggressive water crossings will negate the waterproof covering in a hurry. The best way to combat that is to close up the filter in a watertight box with an opening at the top to siphon off air from an area as high on the vehicle as possible.

You know, just like the stock setup.

Put that open element filter into that box and you lose any "desirable" sound qualities. As for the HP claims, well I will let others debate those endlessly.

So, if you ever plan to off-road your jeep the CAI does more harm than good. Unless you are in Dubai.
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For serious " warer crossing" you need a snorkel!...
For me 4x4 ing is part of my job as a forestry surveyor, never crossed over a meter deep, or I call it a day! I call it of road but is more de-activated, washed out roading!!!
Now that I have it I will install and live the consequences!!!
Right now cant wait to get back, I am in Malaysia, flying out of KL next Monday!.. Hope they figure out this missing plane thing!!!
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For serious " warer crossing" you need a snorkel!...
For me 4x4 ing is part of my job as a forestry surveyor, never crossed over a meter deep, or I call it a day! I call it of road but is more de-activated, washed out roading!!!
Now that I have it I will install and live the consequences!!!
Right now cant wait to get back, I am in Malaysia, flying out of KL next Monday!.. Hope they figure out this missing plane thing!!!
Wow! Safe travels!
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Nice! I had one at one point went through a deep puddle that formed on a roadway and grew concerned about it taking in water and long story short I took it off. I miss it. Lol. Hey, I was curious if you have the 3 rubber grommets where the stock air box sits and if I can give you a few bucks for them? Glad you went ahead and got it installed, looks cool as heck! IMHO.


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Nice! I had one at one point went through a deep puddle that formed on a roadway and grew concerned about it taking in water and long story short I took it off. I miss it. Lol. Hey, I was curious if you have the 3 rubber grommets where the stock air box sits and if I can give you a few bucks for them? Glad you went ahead and got it installed, looks cool as heck! IMHO. Sent from AutoGuide.com App
It is not installed yet I ordered them early so it be sitting waiting for me to get back from Asia!

I'd gladly send you the grommets for the price of postage!!!...as soon as I am dead positive I want to keep the cai!...say a couple weeks...I don't how are going to send me your info, Post them?

Mind you I live in Terrace, BC Canada
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I realized I was not looking for what I wanted to hear. I realized I was looking for advice on how to install what I wanted to install which none of you offered. And, not opinions on if what I wanted to install was worth installing or not, which plenty of you offered by the way.

So thank you all for your opinions.

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