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Old 01-23-2016, 11:05 AM   #61
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I noticed this seller uses nylon lock nuts. What is the better type nut to use nylon or crimped http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...d=361431966443
I asked the seller the same question. I notice the crimped nuts can (and have) seize after a couple uses. I gave in and bought a 25 pack of new nuts to have on hand. Now i wonder if the ny-lock nuts would be the better choice.

I spoke with a fastener specialist about this and nylon are rated to be re-used 15 times. The crimps affect the bolt and themselves as one metal is always dissimilar. Mainly for that reason (and you can burn out the nylon with a torch if the nuts seized on there with rust over the years) so I prefer nylon over crimped.

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I asked the seller the same question. I notice the crimped nuts can (and have) seize after a couple uses. I gave in and bought a 25 pack of new nuts to have on hand. Now i wonder if the ny-lock nuts would be the better choice.

I spoke with a fastener specialist about this and nylon are rated to be re-used 15 times. The crimps affect the bolt and themselves as one metal is always dissimilar. Mainly for that reason (and you can burn out the nylon with a torch if the nuts seized on there with rust over the years) so I prefer nylon over crimped.

Thanks for the question
I can cut a crimped nut off in a few minutes with my dremel tool, and have done so recently. So the question I have is... Is one type of lock nut really better than the other? Why not use a lock washer?
I can get grade 8 lock washers and nylon insert lock nuts at the local Ace, but I have to take a drive to a spring shop to get the stover nuts (at least for fine threaded ones).

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I can cut a crimped nut off in a few minutes with my dremel tool, and have done so recently. So the question I have is... Is one type of lock nut really better than the other? Why not use a lock washer? I can get grade 8 lock washers and nylon insert lock nuts at the local Ace, but I have to take a drive to a spring shop to get the stover nuts (at least for fine threaded ones).
Ive had to cut 2 off already.
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Ive had to cut 2 off already.
So based on the conversation w/ the fastener specialist... Is one type of lock nut really better than the other?
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Why not use a lock washer?

I just installed the Northridge kit, but I'll swap the nuts all out to nylon insert or lock washers if there is an upside.
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AFAIK, the torque specified is a 'dry' torque, meaning no oil, anti-seize or thread locker on the bolts. If you apply anti-seize you would need to torque the bolts to a lower value to achieve the same clamping force.
So if using anti-seize should you torque less than 125 ft/lb?
BTW the Synergy kit calls for 130 ft/lbs ????
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So based on the conversation w/ the fastener specialist... Is one type of lock nut really better than the other? and Why not use a lock washer? I just installed the Northridge kit, but I'll swap the nuts all out to nylon insert or lock washers if there is an upside.
I dont know, that is why i asked lol
The response i posted was from the Ebay seller.
Hopefully somebody with fastener knowledge will give a answer.

Fwiw all my Yeti steering used nylon nuts.
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When I put my bolt kit together I used nyloc nuts simply because the local ACE hardware didn't have enough Keps nuts. So far no issues with loosening, etc. been on there for years now.
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When I put my bolt kit together I used nyloc nuts simply because the local ACE hardware didn't have enough Keps nuts. So far no issues with loosening, etc. been on there for years now.
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Oh, one more experience to share. I had a situation with a grade 8 fine thread Keps nut where it seized and galled the threads on the bolt. IIRC it was the bolt & nut Synergy sent with their steering correction kit in '09. Was really in a bad spot to cut off. If you do use fine thread bolts & Keps (crimped) nuts be sure to thoroughly clean the exposed threads before you disassemble, will save some aggravation.
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If you do use fine thread bolts & Keps (crimped) nuts...
Just a clarification. Keps nuts have attached, free-spinning washers. They do not have upset threads. Here is an example of one type of Keps nut:

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Oh, one more experience to share. I had a situation with a grade 8 fine thread Keps nut where it seized and galled the threads on the bolt. IIRC it was the bolt & nut Synergy sent with their steering correction kit in '09. Was really in a bad spot to cut off. If you do use fine thread bolts & Keps (crimped) nuts be sure to thoroughly clean the exposed threads before you disassemble, will save some aggravation.
Yep same happened here.
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Just a clarification. Keps nuts have attached, free-spinning washers. They do not have upset threads. Here is an example of one type of Keps nut:
Sorry, I stand corrected. I've always referred to the crimp nuts as Keps, thanks for the correction.
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For $20 i figure give the ny-locs a shot.

The kit comes with 4 9/16 bolts and 1 14mm 8 washers and 9 lock nuts.

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The Ny-Locks are a good choice also known as aircraft nuts because having one loosen while in flight would not be a good thing.
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I believe the northridge set came with front and rear lower control arm bolts, nuts, washers (x8) as well as front and rear trackbar bolts, nuts, washers (x4). There also x2 14 mm bolts , nuts, washers for 2011-2012 front trackbar frame side mounts. I'm still not sure what these were supposed to be for. I have a 2015.
I just ordered this kit and had the same question....what are the 14mm bolts for?
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I just ordered this kit and had the same question....what are the 14mm bolts for?
some later JKs wont accept 9/16 in the frame side TB mounts, use whatever works.
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which years won't 9/16 work for on the TB frame mount?
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I just replaced the front LCAs and TB bolts when I did my leveling kit. I'll do the rear in the next few weeks.

Anyway, I used the M14 for my frame side TB mount. I have a 2016. Believe it applies to 2012+.
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some later JKs wont accept 9/16 in the frame side TB mounts, use whatever works.
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Where do you all find your hardened bolts and nuts?
I assume the nuts in the Northridge kit are hardened?
I need some 14mm fine thread shouldered bolts for my rear trackbar (the Super lift bar will not accept the 9/16" bolts) and although I can find the course thread version locally I cannot find fine thread. I also am coming up blank on hardened lock nuts of any sort.
I'm trying to avoid buying a full box/bag of nuts and bolts (Fastenal) just to get the 2 I need.
Tried 3 ACE hardware stores, tried Lowes, tried Home Depot too. Lowes can order them in course thread.... I'd rather not wait... and I read fine thread is better for holding torque.
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I've had coarse thread on both track bars for six years, no problems. You should be able to get the hardened washers at ACE, you just need the matching locking nuts.
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I've had coarse thread on both track bars for six years, no problems. You should be able to get the hardened washers at ACE, you just need the matching locking nuts.
The problem is the nits. I can't find my nuts.
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2015 JKU: Druver side LCA. Is the mount hole supposed to be square?
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2015 JKU: Druver side LCA. Is the mount hole supposed to be square?
I believe all mine (on my 15 JKU) were round.
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Where do you all find your hardened bolts and nuts?
I assume the nuts in the Northridge kit are hardened?
I need some 14mm fine thread shouldered bolts for my rear trackbar (the Super lift bar will not accept the 9/16" bolts) and although I can find the course thread version locally I cannot find fine thread. I also am coming up blank on hardened lock nuts of any sort.
I'm trying to avoid buying a full box/bag of nuts and bolts (Fastenal) just to get the 2 I need.
Tried 3 ACE hardware stores, tried Lowes, tried Home Depot too. Lowes can order them in course thread.... I'd rather not wait... and I read fine thread is better for holding torque.
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Best place I have ordered from, which I will do from now on is...

www.albanycountyfasteners.com

For bolts, look under Hex Head Bolts.
You want, 9/16"-18 x 4" for control arms
You want, 9/16"-18 x 3" for track bars

You can find the corresponding washers and nuts there too!
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Best place I have ordered from, which I will do from now on is...

www.albanycountyfasteners.com

For bolts, look under Hex Head Bolts.
You want, 9/16"-18 x 4" for control arms
You want, 9/16"-18 x 3" for track bars

You can find the corresponding washers and nuts there too!
Thanks for the link. I was also looking for metric M14 bolts in 10.9 class for the track bars since the Superlift bar I got for the rear will not accept the 9/16" bolts, but that site does not show the class 10.6 metric bolts (partial thread, fine thread)... or am I missing them.
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Thanks for the link. I was also looking for metric M14 bolts in 10.9 class for the track bars since the Superlift bar I got for the rear will not accept the 9/16" bolts, but that site does not show the class 10.6 metric bolts (partial thread, fine thread)... or am I missing them.
Thanks again.
M14 x 2.0 Hex Cap Screws

You want the PT version, which means, partial thread.

Not exactly sure about grade though...
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M14 x 2.0 Hex Cap Screws

You want the PT version, which means, partial thread.
Thanks. Those I found. But I don't know that they are hardened bolts (class 10.6). Are all stainless considered hardened (class 10.9 in metric)?
Also, are metric PT bolts only available in course thread?
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Thanks. Those I found. But I don't know that they are hardened bolts (class 10.6). Are all stainless considered hardened (class 10.9 in metric)?
Also, are metric PT bolts only available in course thread?
yes, all the M14 bolts are coarse thread. even the ones that come with the northridge and allensoffroad
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Thanks. Those I found. But I don't know that they are hardened bolts (class 10.6). Are all stainless considered hardened (class 10.9 in metric)?
Also, are metric PT bolts only available in course thread?
Here are the ones you need...

Comes 2 in a pack...

https://www.fastenal.com/products/de...ength:168200|~

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