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Old 04-14-2014, 02:00 PM   #1
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DOT Approved Winsheild Lights

sup guys?

was looking for some input on DOT approved lights that I can mount on the lower corners of my windshield.

I'm a frequent upstate (NY) driver and there aren't many lights to see the road. driving up there with stock headlights is like using a candle to light the way. no bueno!

any input helps just keep in mind they HAVE to be DOT approved cause I live on the island and would like to be able to use them on my nightly commute to and from work!

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You should probably look at just upgrading your headlights with truck lites or JW speakers. Any auxiliary lights added into other positions will probably be a hassle having to explain that they are compliant every time you get pulled over for using off-road lights on streets. That is if any compliant ones exist. And I think some states have laws against road lights being higher then factory headlights.

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Most states do not allow aux. lighting mounted above the factory lights, so it would be illegal either way. You need to look into bumper mounted lights that are DOT approved for driving lights.
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thanks for the replies!

any upgraded headlight seems to run $500+ and currently I'm what you would call "dead broke"

I was thinking of doing the old (and extremely illegal/frowned upon) HID conversion kit for my headlights but I don't like getting pulled over so that's out.

now that that's covered, any suggestions when it comes to mounting lights to the stock bumper? I have a pair of led fogs that I have mounted to my windshield but they throw light everywhere but the road...
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Most states do not allow aux. lighting mounted above the factory lights, so it would be illegal either way. You need to look into bumper mounted lights that are DOT approved for driving lights.
Really?? I see roof strobes on just about every service vehicle out there, spots on many also. Roof lights are factory optional on most pick-ups in all States. Many taxi's have door mounted spots. Not even getting into the med/hd truck 'aux lights above factory' roaming the roads everywhere.

I'm sorry, but the quoted post is just bad information/advise.
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^^^ I think he is referring to auxiliary lighting like HID or LED spot lights mounted above the headlights. Not marker lights, or strobes for emergency use. If so, then he is correct.

OP where is upstate NY for you?
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^^^ I think he is referring to auxiliary lighting like HID or LED spot lights mounted above the headlights. Not marker lights, or strobes for emergency use. If so, then he is correct.

OP where is upstate NY for you?
OK, then kindly show me the law/statue that applies to all/most States.. or even your own State for that matter...
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thanks for the replies!

any upgraded headlight seems to run $500+ and currently I'm what you would call "dead broke"

I was thinking of doing the old (and extremely illegal/frowned upon) HID conversion kit for my headlights but I don't like getting pulled over so that's out.

now that that's covered, any suggestions when it comes to mounting lights to the stock bumper? I have a pair of led fogs that I have mounted to my windshield but they throw light everywhere but the road...
Try these. J100968 - Lifetime LED H13 LED Replacement Headlight Bulbs (07-14 Wrangler JK) $149 from Extreme Terrain You might be able to find cheaper someplace else.
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RCW 46.37.180: Spot lamps and auxiliary lamps.

Um. Easy search. This is for WA.
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2.b specifically says max of 42" for ny. Even stock height, i believe that is lower than the windshield mounts. Grab a tape.
A bit of legalese, but does say that the beam cannot rise above 42" from the ligt to 25'.
Hell, I think my oem headligts are close to 42"! Wonder what FL says...
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Look up the painstakingly long thread on these lights before you spend your hard earned money. Many forum members purchased them, installed them, had issues of one sort or another, and returned them. Additionally, though many said they were brighter, someone quoted testing that showed that they are not brighter, just a whiter colored light which appears brighter. Also, if you are in upstate NY, you will most likely have issues with the headlights icing over as the heat from LED's is produced behind the housing instead of inside of it like a halogen. This means it is easier for snow and ice to build up on the headlight lens.
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Really?? I see roof strobes on just about every service vehicle out there, spots on many also. Roof lights are factory optional on most pick-ups in all States. Many taxi's have door mounted spots. Not even getting into the med/hd truck 'aux lights above factory' roaming the roads everywhere. I'm sorry, but the quoted post is just bad information/advise.
There is a difference between clearance lamps, lamps that project beams of light, and emergency or hazardous vehicle lamps.

Clearance lamps are actually required on top of vehicles over 80" in width by FMVSS 108. These lights do not project beams of light.

Emergency and hazardous vehicle lamps (strobes or like wise) are listed separately in most state laws and are limited to what vehicles and under what conditions they are to be operated.

Taxis have spot lights because they are repurposed police vehicles and the spot lights are factory equipped and not removable. Service vehicles may also have spots due to their specific purpose. It is not illegal to mount auxiliary lights (to include lamps that project beams of light) on a vehicle in any specific location. It is illegal, at least in MD, to operate a vehicle with any "glaring or dazzling" light displayed. Any beam projecting lamp mounted at the base of a Jeep's windshield is going to fall into the glaring and dazzling category.

Some states actually require that auxiliary lamps that project a beam of light be covered when the vehicle is driven on the road, hence the bright yellow covers supplied with most KC HiLites. No, I didn't quote the specific law, you'll just have to trust me on this one.

Oh, FMVSS stands for Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard and compliance with these standards is required for all new vehicles sold in the United States in case you were wondering.
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Really?? I see roof strobes on just about every service vehicle out there, spots on many also. Roof lights are factory optional on most pick-ups in all States. Many taxi's have door mounted spots. Not even getting into the med/hd truck 'aux lights above factory' roaming the roads everywhere. I'm sorry, but the quoted post is just bad information/advise.
you can mount them, just can't use them while driving.

I'm looking for lights the can be used along with headlights while driving.

It looks like I might be stuck getting a new bumper if I want to see...


edit: can anyone make sense of this? haven't taken penal law in years...

http://ypdcrime.com/vt/article9.htm#t376.
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you can mount them, just can't use them while driving.

I'm looking for lights the can be used along with headlights while driving.

It looks like I might be stuck getting a new bumper if I want to see...


edit: can anyone make sense of this? haven't taken penal law in years...

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Jeez, all this arguing for nothing..

JUST BUY BETTER HEADLIGHTS!!!! THEY DO MAKE 'EM....
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There is a difference between clearance lamps, lamps that project beams of light, and emergency or hazardous vehicle lamps.

Clearance lamps are actually required on top of vehicles over 80" in width by FMVSS 108. These lights do not project beams of light.

Emergency and hazardous vehicle lamps (strobes or like wise) are listed separately in most state laws and are limited to what vehicles and under what conditions they are to be operated.

Taxis have spot lights because they are repurposed police vehicles and the spot lights are factory equipped and not removable. Service vehicles may also have spots due to their specific purpose. It is not illegal to mount auxiliary lights (to include lamps that project beams of light) on a vehicle in any specific location. It is illegal, at least in MD, to operate a vehicle with any "glaring or dazzling" light displayed. Any beam projecting lamp mounted at the base of a Jeep's windshield is going to fall into the glaring and dazzling category.

Some states actually require that auxiliary lamps that project a beam of light be covered when the vehicle is driven on the road, hence the bright yellow covers supplied with most KC HiLites. No, I didn't quote the specific law, you'll just have to trust me on this one.

Oh, FMVSS stands for Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard and compliance with these standards is required for all new vehicles sold in the United States in case you were wondering.
The fact is, in all States aux lights are legal.. (providing you comply with local regs)

Fact also, most Taxi's are NOT re-purposed police vehicles (really?? now we're projecting tv commercials), they are purchased new, look it up..

FMVSS? you're kidding right?? no one posting on this thread is required to follow FMVSS, those are standards for Vehicle Manufacturers...

So how about lets agree to stop distributing FUD.... (that'd be, Fear-Uncertainty-Doubt)
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you can mount them, just can't use them while driving. I'm looking for lights the can be used along with headlights while driving. It looks like I might be stuck getting a new bumper if I want to see... edit: can anyone make sense of this? haven't taken penal law in years... http://ypdcrime.com/vt/article9.htm#t376.
There are several light bracket / bar options for the stock bumper ranging from $70 - $150 plus the cost of lights. Way cheaper than a new bumper.
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The fact is, in all States aux lights are legal.. (providing you comply with local regs) Fact also, most Taxi's are NOT re-purposed police vehicles (really?? now we're projecting tv commercials), they are purchased new, look it up.. FMVSS? you're joking right?? no one posting on this thread is required to follow FMVSS, those are standards for Vehicle Manufacturers... So how about lets agree to stop distributing FUD.... (that'd be, Fear-Uncertainty-Doubt)
Our local cab company buys nearly every patrol car my department deadlines, other cab companies purchase new police spec vehicles for the vinyl floors and rear seats to aid in cleanup. Either way, that's why they are equipped with spot lights on the a pillar, has nothing to do with tv ads.

You're the one who brought up clearance lights on the cabs of trucks, the FMVSS reference was to show that they are federally mandated on new vehicles, not to insinuate that the aftermarket has to adhere to those standards.

I agree that all states allow the installation of aux lights, the issue is what regulations they are required to meet and the fact is that any Jeep with any light that projects a beam of light mounted at the windshield base will not meet local regs if they are illuminated while driving on the road, not in MD and not in NY based on what I read in the links in this thread.

My post was not made out of fear, I just know what I have written citations and repair orders for in my jurisdiction. If you want to suggest that the OP mount lights for road use that violate traffic law, I hope you are willing to stand behind your advice and pay his citation and reimburse the money he spent on lights that don't serve his purpose.
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Really?? I see roof strobes on just about every service vehicle out there, spots on many also. Roof lights are factory optional on most pick-ups in all States. Many taxi's have door mounted spots. Not even getting into the med/hd truck 'aux lights above factory' roaming the roads everywhere.

I'm sorry, but the quoted post is just bad information/advise.
We are talking driving lights...not strobes or spot lights or clearance lights...you need to read and comprehend.
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The fact is, in all States aux lights are legal.. (providing you comply with local regs)

Fact also, most Taxi's are NOT re-purposed police vehicles (really?? now we're projecting tv commercials), they are purchased new, look it up..

FMVSS? you're kidding right?? no one posting on this thread is required to follow FMVSS, those are standards for Vehicle Manufacturers...

So how about lets agree to stop distributing FUD.... (that'd be, Fear-Uncertainty-Doubt)
Regardless of your banter, which by the way is incorrect as aux lights are technically not legal for road use in NY as they would have to be approved for use by NY or be no more than 32 candlepower or completely covered... I challenge you to drive in NY or PA with an aux light above the headlights that is turned on while traveling on a state road past any state cop... YOU WILL BE PULLED OVER... All and yes I said all, feel free to try and find one that does not, states have "flexible" laws regarding aux lighting that is open for interpretation by law enforcement... NYS has the "dazzling beam cutoff height and width to the left of the longitudinal axis", measure that in the field... Oh that's right YOU CAN'T but you will still get pulled over for it... PA has a similar law on the books and also the main law regarding the height of the physical lamp off the ground, not in reference to anything but the physical road the vehicle is on, which is 42in from the GROUND or about the top of the factory headlamp on a stock JK Rubicon... As a general rule to keep you out of being pulled over keep them below the headlights or make sure they are covered by an opaque cover... NY will make laws up on the fly and pull you over if they so chose for anything they don't care for, anything aftermarket is a gamble up there...

Also keep in mind that most cops have no clue what the actual laws are... if they don't like it, then they don't like it and you are going to hear about it...

So to ASE go play your fiddle elsewhere because many of us have been having these discussions long before you came around, and likely before you ever owned a vehicle that aux lamps were even mounted on... Many of us, including myself, have been pulled over even while following the laws of the state we were in... If your lamps are too bright, lack a safe cutoff as to not blind oncoming traffic, and are not mounted in accordance to the law of the state you are in you risk being pulled over and ticketed... ESPECIALLY IN NY

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The fact is, in all States aux lights are legal.. (providing you comply with local regs)

Fact also, most Taxi's are NOT re-purposed police vehicles (really?? now we're projecting tv commercials), they are purchased new, look it up..

FMVSS? you're kidding right?? no one posting on this thread is required to follow FMVSS, those are standards for Vehicle Manufacturers...

So how about lets agree to stop distributing FUD.... (that'd be, Fear-Uncertainty-Doubt)
Getnof gave you examples of statutes dictating the height of the aux lights. I won't find the statutes but I know MA, VT, NH, NY, and ME all have that same 42" light rule because I wanted to run my lights during the deer rut but its illegal so it's do at your own risk. That's a pretty common theme with most states. Clearance/marker lights are different and so are emergency vehicles like tow trucks
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Really?? I see roof strobes on just about every service vehicle out there, spots on many also. Roof lights are factory optional on most pick-ups in all States. Many taxi's have door mounted spots. Not even getting into the med/hd truck 'aux lights above factory' roaming the roads everywhere.

I'm sorry, but the quoted post is just bad information/advise.
A vehicle can have 1000 lights on it, including roof lights, and all is well, in all 50 states. The legality comes in when you use them ON a public roadway...only a few states allow aux lighting to be used on public roads. Strobes are not in the same category. Many cops treat aux lights like highbeams...if you use them without other vehicles around, they let it slide.
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Regardless of your banter, which by the way is incorrect as aux lights are technically not legal for road use in NY as they would have to be approved for use by NY or be no more than 32 candlepower or completely covered... I challenge you to drive in NY or PA with an aux light above the headlights that is turned on while traveling on a state road past any state cop... YOU WILL BE PULLED OVER... All and yes I said all, feel free to try and find one that does not, states have "flexible" laws regarding aux lighting that is open for interpretation by law enforcement... NYS has the "dazzling beam cutoff height and width to the left of the longitudinal axis", measure that in the field... Oh that's right YOU CAN'T but you will still get pulled over for it... PA has a similar law on the books and also the main law regarding the height of the physical lamp off the ground, not in reference to anything but the physical road the vehicle is on, which is 42in from the GROUND or about the top of the factory headlamp on a stock JK Rubicon... As a general rule to keep you out of being pulled over keep them below the headlights or make sure they are covered by an opaque cover... NY will make laws up on the fly and pull you over if they so chose for anything they don't care for, anything aftermarket is a gamble up there...

Also keep in mind that most cops have no clue what the actual laws are... if they don't like it, then they don't like it and you are going to hear about it...

So to ASE go play your fiddle elsewhere because many of us have been having these discussions long before you came around, and likely before you ever owned a vehicle that aux lamps were even mounted on... Many of us, including myself, have been pulled over even while following the laws of the state we were in... If your lamps are too bright, lack a safe cutoff as to not blind oncoming traffic, and are not mounted in accordance to the law of the state you are in you risk being pulled over and ticketed... ESPECIALLY IN NY

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Getnof gave you examples of statutes dictating the height of the aux lights. I won't find the statutes but I know MA, VT, NH, NY, and ME all have that same 42" light rule because I wanted to run my lights during the deer rut but its illegal so it's do at your own risk. That's a pretty common theme with most states. Clearance/marker lights are different and so are emergency vehicles like tow trucks
It was not my intention to argue any issue, I was simply defending the statements I made regarding the comment "Most states do not allow aux. lighting mounted above the factory lights."

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Regardless of your banter, which by the way is incorrect as aux lights are technically not legal for road use in NY as they would have to be approved for use by NY or be no more than 32 candlepower or completely covered... I challenge you to drive in NY or PA with an aux light above the headlights that is turned on while traveling on a state road past any state cop... YOU WILL BE PULLED OVER... All and yes I said all, feel free to try and find one that does not, states have "flexible" laws regarding aux lighting that is open for interpretation by law enforcement... NYS has the "dazzling beam cutoff height and width to the left of the longitudinal axis", measure that in the field... Oh that's right YOU CAN'T but you will still get pulled over for it... PA has a similar law on the books and also the main law regarding the height of the physical lamp off the ground, not in reference to anything but the physical road the vehicle is on, which is 42in from the GROUND or about the top of the factory headlamp on a stock JK Rubicon... As a general rule to keep you out of being pulled over keep them below the headlights or make sure they are covered by an opaque cover... NY will make laws up on the fly and pull you over if they so chose for anything they don't care for, anything aftermarket is a gamble up there...

Also keep in mind that most cops have no clue what the actual laws are... if they don't like it, then they don't like it and you are going to hear about it...

So to ASE go play your fiddle elsewhere because many of us have been having these discussions long before you came around, and likely before you ever owned a vehicle that aux lamps were even mounted on... Many of us, including myself, have been pulled over even while following the laws of the state we were in... If your lamps are too bright, lack a safe cutoff as to not blind oncoming traffic, and are not mounted in accordance to the law of the state you are in you risk being pulled over and ticketed... ESPECIALLY IN NY

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Absolutely correct.

Have you even been to NY?
I grew up in NY State (Rockland County), lived there for 42yrs (less 8yrs active duty). Jeep'd, biker'd & generally stomped & romped most of NY State my entire fun life. Had windshield, bumper & roof lights on an '87 Sahara with no covers for 10yrs & never got hassled. Maybe its because I didn't use them on-road like anyone else with common sense, or maybe I'm just special..

Now I'm not trying to start trouble & I am new to this site, but is insulting folks personally - for having an opinion or having something to say that disagrees with your thinking - the way things are normally done around here? or do I need to pay up & become a 'supporting member' to insult others?

You 'supporting members' should be taking the lead & setting an example for others, not ganging up & slapping folks down because you disagree, or paid a fee..
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Have you even been to NY?
I grew up in NY State (Rockland County), lived there for 42yrs (less 8yrs active duty). Jeep'd, biker'd & generally stomped & romped most of NY State my entire fun life. Had windshield, bumper & roof lights on an '87 Sahara with no covers for 10yrs & never got hassled. Maybe its because I didn't use them on-road like anyone else with common sense, or maybe I'm just special..

Now I'm not trying to start trouble & I am new to this site, but is insulting folks personally - for having an opinion or having something to say that disagrees with your thinking - the way things are normally done around here? or do I need to pay up & become a 'supporting member' to insult others?

You 'supporting members' should be taking the lead & setting an example for others, not ganging up & slapping folks down because you disagree, & paid a fee..
The whole argument is that, most states do not permit the usage of high mounted aux lights in the city streets. Simply because getting a good light cut-off that won't blind others is pretty difficult at that height, while at the same time illuminating properly what's ahead.

I dont think anyone is arguing that you can't mount them, you can, but you will probably not be able to use them inside the city or state roads. Even if its DOT approved, its probably not approved to be used at windshield height, but more like at bumper height, because you won't be able to not blind others with them on with them pointing forward. As you said, its common sense.
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Have you even been to NY?
I grew up in NY State (Rockland County), lived there for 42yrs (less 8yrs active duty). Jeep'd, biker'd & generally stomped & romped most of NY State my entire fun life. Had windshield, bumper & roof lights on an '87 Sahara with no covers for 10yrs & never got hassled. Maybe its because I didn't use them on-road like anyone else with common sense, or maybe I'm just special..
You're correct. NY doesn't require covers for lights, they just can't be on. PA is the only northeast state that requires covers to the best of my knowledge
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