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Old 01-29-2014, 09:26 AM   #31
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You are wrong. My steering wheel has an effect where you can't turn it at all over the same crazy bump on a bridge expansion joint. It locks up. It happens regularly at that spot but rarely anywhere else. All the parameters are set accordingly for gears and tire size with a procal. It feels like the power steering goes out for a second or two. NOT A GOOD FEELING. And it's happened since I had a completely new front suspension (all synergy: trac bar, tie rod, drag link, ball joints, trac bar and steering sector shaft brace) and a fresh alignment on a brand new alignment rack.

I can assure you the power steering wheel system IS affected by ESP or ESC or whatever electronic bs is in place.

2012, 6 speed, AEV 3.5", 35's, procal, etc

And I can assure you that spinlock is correct. As far ESC goes it only applys selective bracking individuals wheels. There is no electrically control mechanism in the steering system capable of interfering with the steering system. The power steering pump is mechanically powered and the steering system is mechanically connected the steering box. For the steering to be impacted it would need to be steer by wire or have a braking system somewhere in the steering system, does not exist.


ESC exist on many vehicles including my Vette. ESC can not over come physics though. If the slide is big enough you are going to go around. Driving with ESC though is a different skill than driving without and means over coming skills learned without the system.

Unlike conventional skills, counter steering in a slide with ESC you want to continue to hold the turn. The reason for this ESC uses the steering posistion sensor to determine what you want to do. If you counter steer and then ESC kicks in you will most likely end up end up going a direction you did not intend to go.

Like anything else it takes practice and understanding to live with ESC. If you are wheeling or playing in the snow by all means disable it. But for normal driving or driving in wet conditions if you understand it, it works very well. In fact it works so well that when I race the Vette in wet conditions I keep it on.

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Old 01-29-2014, 10:23 AM   #32
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Sweet! Thanks for testing it out & updating. I only want it for off road so I'm not worried about no cruise or anything like that - I just want the nannies 100% off off road.
Not sure what you mean "nannies"?

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Old 01-29-2014, 10:23 AM   #33
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And I can assure you that spinlock is correct. As far ESC goes it only applys selective bracking individuals wheels. There is no electrically control mechanism in the steering system capable of interfering with the steering system. The power steering pump is mechanically powered and the steering system is mechanically connected the steering box. For the steering to be impacted it would need to be steer by wire or have a braking system somewhere in the steering system, does not exist. ESC exist on many vehicles including my Vette. ESC can not over come physics though. If the slide is big enough you are going to go around. Driving with ESC though is a different skill than driving without and means over coming skills learned without the system. Unlike conventional skills, counter steering in a slide with ESC you want to continue to hold the turn. The reason for this ESC uses the steering posistion sensor to determine what you want to do. If you counter steer and then ESC kicks in you will most likely end up end up going a direction you did not intend to go. Like anything else it takes practice and understanding to live with ESC. If you are wheeling or playing in the snow by all means disable it. But for normal driving or driving in wet conditions if you understand it, it works very well. In fact it works so well that when I race the Vette in wet conditions I keep it on.
Come on out to Denver I'll show you. I'm driving straight going between 10-30 mph depending on the stoplight timing etc and it's 5 blocks from my house and I've lived there for 2 years with the JK. It never did that in stock trim FYI.

AND THE STEERING WHEEL LOCKS UP

There is no debating it, just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean I hasn't happened to me or the OP! I have no technical explanation to debunk your theory, although I promise you it's a reality.
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Old 01-29-2014, 10:30 AM   #34
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Come on out to Denver I'll show you. I'm driving straight going between 10-30 mph depending on the stoplight timing etc and it's 5 blocks from my house and I've lived there for 2 years with the JK. It never did that in stock trim FYI.

AND THE STEERING WHEEL LOCKS UP

There is no debating it, just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean I hasn't happened to me or the OP! I have no technical explanation to debunk your theory, although I promise you it's a reality.
If your steering is locking up, something is wrong. The JK's steering system is mechanical, there is nothing to lock up. Dont confuse offroad bumps (which may temporarily (talking split seconds here) stop you from turning the other way with a locked up steering wheel. The JK doesn't even have a steering lock.
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If your steering is locking up, something is wrong. The JK's steering system is mechanical, there is nothing to lock up. Dont confuse offroad bumps (which may temporarily (talking split seconds here) stop you from turning the other way with a locked up steering wheel. The JK doesn't even have a steering lock.
It feels like anti-lock feedback in the pedal but in the steering wheel. I'm pretty sure it's related to ESC/ESP because the Amber warning light comes on at the time of the steering wheel seizing/locking. It feels like a second or two but like someone said it's likely a split second or two.

To clarify, it returns to normal, it doesn't actually stay locked up. And I mistyped in one reply by saying it happened after the new front end components were installed. It has happened since the lift was installed, and has continued after the new front end was installed.

I remember reading someone posting about the steering wheel needing to be centered (AEV PROCAL has a feature that establishes this) or funky stuff can happen with the steering via the ESP/ESC. I can have them double check that was completed. Maybe that is the cause?

Nothing is actually physically binding in the steering system.
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Old 01-29-2014, 02:02 PM   #36
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It feels like anti-lock feedback in the pedal but in the steering wheel. I'm pretty sure it's related to ESC/ESP because the Amber warning light comes on at the time of the steering wheel seizing/locking. It feels like a second or two but like someone said it's likely a split second or two.

To clarify, it returns to normal, it doesn't actually stay locked up. And I mistyped in one reply by saying it happened after the new front end components were installed. It has happened since the lift was installed, and has continued after the new front end was installed.

I remember reading someone posting about the steering wheel needing to be centered (AEV PROCAL has a feature that establishes this) or funky stuff can happen with the steering via the ESP/ESC. I can have them double check that was completed. Maybe that is the cause?

Nothing is actually physically binding in the steering system.
This is the result of one wheel or the other locking up. It should never do this in a straight line. The system uses the steering wheel sensor, yaw sensor and wheel sensors to determine if the vehcile is under control. If your steering wheel is just a little off and you hit a bump, correct in the wrong direction (according to ESC) it could engage the system. The other problem you could have is a loose connection or even a computer starting to go bad.

In any case get it checked out.
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Old 01-30-2014, 11:54 AM   #37
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This is the result of one wheel or the other locking up. It should never do this in a straight line. The system uses the steering wheel sensor, yaw sensor and wheel sensors to determine if the vehcile is under control. If your steering wheel is just a little off and you hit a bump, correct in the wrong direction (according to ESC) it could engage the system. The other problem you could have is a loose connection or even a computer starting to go bad. In any case get it checked out.
10-4. Will look into it. PS your tires are super sticky in your avatar- what kind? Lol

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