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Old 01-08-2010, 06:52 AM   #1
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Engine Seized

I am posting this for a friend to find out and myself as thinking about buying
She has a 2008 Jeep Wrangler 4 door with 56000 km's ( Canadian )
The engine siezed on the jeep!!!!!
No indication - No oil pressure drop, no high temp etc.
Regular maint done.
She brings it in a 3 other jeeps in for the same thing.
Jeep is covered under warranty but has been 10 days and she still does not have her jeep back

I was thinking about buying one but I don't know now and will stick with my 2001.

So my question is has anyone else had the same issues?

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stick with your tj

the 3.8 has been in the minivans for a long long time, its been a reliable motor, i have only seen one fail, burned valve, but oil was never changed. otherwise its been a reputable motor as far as durability.

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We need the rest of the story.
If it hydrolocked, then yes, there have been a few mystery seizures reported. But most of us are thinking that the airbox on those units weren't closed properly and the fan kicked water in.
It will be interesting to see what the shop says about her Jeep.
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We need the rest of the story.
If it hydrolocked, then yes, there have been a few mystery seizures reported. But most of us are thinking that the airbox on those units weren't closed properly and the fan kicked water in.
It will be interesting to see what the shop says about her Jeep.
I think we need the whole story.
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Old 01-09-2010, 06:48 PM   #5
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That is the whole story
Jeep working good then siezed.
She now has been told it will be 3 more weeks before jeep is done.
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That is the whole story
Jeep working good then siezed.
She now has been told it will be 3 more weeks before jeep is done.
the dealership is fixing it under warranty. If so, whats the problem!
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Old 01-10-2010, 04:22 AM   #7
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That is the whole story
Jeep working good then siezed.
She now has been told it will be 3 more weeks before jeep is done.
Of course that's not the whole story.

What seized? Top, bottom, the whole thing? Did the head crack? Hydrolock?
Was the engine cold or hot? Last oil change and where done?
What parts are being replaced?

Sorry for her troubles but whole story means something more than "seized" to a bunch of enthusiasts and gear-heads...
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She brings it in a 3 other jeeps in for the same thing.
This alone suggests that there is more to the story.


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So my question is has anyone else had the same issues?
I don't think anyone here has had 4 Jeep engines seize.
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^ is that what he was trying to say there? i was still tryin to figure that one out
but yea just seized what kind of story is that?
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i interprest that there were 3 other jeeps at the dealer at the same time with seized motors. i have not heard of motors seizing on the 3.8 at all. water in the intake i have heard some stories though.
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^ i would take that as a very bad sign of the dealership. there is probly a guy in the service department that needs to be fired for this. if this dealer has 4 seized engines and no one around here has ever heard of a seized 3.8 then there must be something wrong here.
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^ i would take that as a very bad sign of the dealership. there is probly a guy in the service department that needs to be fired for this. if this dealer has 4 seized engines and no one around here has ever heard of a seized 3.8 then there must be something wrong here.
I'm thinking it's a pretty big IF.
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^ thats very true too
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Just goes to show...even if the truck is new..still check the oil. I've heard storys of shops doing things like leaving the oil cap off, failing to remove the old O ring from the oil filter (you know like how they get stuck on there and dont come off with the filter sometimes) or simply not tightening everything up enough causing leaks. Sadly, you can never be sure they know what they're doing.
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^ thats why i do all my own work, when i can, then i find a shop that is recommended to me by a friend. i hate going into a place i dont already know
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Any updates yet? I want to know what happened.
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Just goes to show...even if the truck is new..still check the oil. I've heard storys of shops doing things like leaving the oil cap off, failing to remove the old O ring from the oil filter (you know like how they get stuck on there and dont come off with the filter sometimes) or simply not tightening everything up enough causing leaks. Sadly, you can never be sure they know what they're doing.
my moms caravan engine seized up and had to be replaced. the dealership didnt keep proper records and said since they didnt have record of oil changes being done it voided the warranty. long story short i was able to fab up some receipts and get my moms van into the computer system of a local shop and save ourselves $7000. take that stealership
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Shouldn't your mom have records herself of the oil changes? Like a receipt or anything? I thought people kept a filing system for a reason

wasurfer, be careful, I'm sure fraud wouldn't be taken lightly if they found out.
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Shouldn't your mom have records herself of the oil changes? Like a receipt or anything? I thought people kept a filing system for a reason

wasurfer, be careful, I'm sure fraud wouldn't be taken lightly if they found out.
well the main problem was that she had a stroke and about a month before the engine seized up and she couldnt tell us where she kept the records. she had every oil change receipt but one. dodge was trying to say that one missed oil change caused all the problems. my point was that the stealership has been known to make mistakes. we had a gap in our records and they had a ton of gaps in their records and since we couldnt prove that oil changes had been done to fill in the gaps to their records it was our fault.
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I know of hundreds of folks (not necessarily "know" know but via forums like this one) running JK's and the only seized motors I have heard of were due to operator error. Deep water was involved in nearly every case.

Typical causes of seized motors involve either lack of proper maintenance (either failure to change oil or maintain proper oil level), over heating while continuing to operate the vehicle in a failed state or hydro-lock. I have yet to hear of a failed oil pump in a JK.

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well the main problem was that she had a stroke and about a month before the engine seized up and she couldnt tell us where she kept the records. she had every oil change receipt but one. dodge was trying to say that one missed oil change caused all the problems. my point was that the stealership has been known to make mistakes. we had a gap in our records and they had a ton of gaps in their records and since we couldnt prove that oil changes had been done to fill in the gaps to their records it was our fault.
If it came down to it...in a court of law, the judge would look at the one gap in your records from the dealership and the many gaps in the dealership's records and rule that it is reasonable to assume that the dealership does not keep accurate records and award the decision to the consumer. That would probably include damages because of the fact that the dealer did not perform on the contract. This is usually why the dealer may want to reconsider holding you up for missing records should the case actually make it to court. A smart lawyer would know how to extract the maximum benefit from the dealer and possibly the manufacturer because the dealer acts as agent for them. This is one reason that dealerships lose their license from the manufacturer to do business for them...non performance.
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If it came down to it...in a court of law, the judge would look at the one gap in your records from the dealership and the many gaps in the dealership's records and rule that it is reasonable to assume that the dealership does not keep accurate records and award the decision to the consumer. That would probably include damages because of the fact that the dealer did not perform on the contract. This is usually why the dealer may want to reconsider holding you up for missing records should the case actually make it to court. A smart lawyer would know how to extract the maximum benefit from the dealer and possibly the manufacturer because the dealer acts as agent for them. This is one reason that dealerships lose their license from the manufacturer to do business for them...non performance.
we were pretty close to going to court when it got resolved. they pretty much lied flat out about a couple of things and refused to replace the engine.

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