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Old 12-29-2009, 11:24 AM   #1
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Hard top roof rail system

Has anyone mounted a rail system like the Hi-Lift Slide-N-Lock on a hard top? I'm trying to figure out the best way to carry a kayak or two without putting a safari type rack on the top. I don't think I'll need to put cargo up there other than the kayaks so the weight will be limited. Is the roof rigid/durable enough to support kayaks on that type of rail? Any ideas? Thanks.

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We have a TJ and 2 kayaks too! The easiest way we found to tote them around is buy a pickup truck. (OK, smart arse) Ha ha but really I would like to know too. In the summer you could remove the top and use the windshield and roll bar? I have also seen a lot of people go to the junk yard and buy a roof rack sysytem off of a ford explorer which seems to fit very nicely.

Also here is a link to a similar post:http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/kay...ight=hard+rack
Another link: http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/anyb...yak-33293.html

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Thanks. I did a search and found the first thread but it didn't really go anywhere, hadn' t seen the second thread. Found a couple of good ideas. One of them is the Yakima Rack System which is pretty much what I was thinking about. Their website didn't show that on a Jeep though or as a possibility. You've pointed me at some good information. Thanks again.
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Both the Yakima and the Thule rack systems, if they clamp to the rain gutter have almost no load capacity. Maybe a ski rack is tops as far as weight on it. I think both make an adapter that bolts through the top. Then the weight is not placed on the plastic rain gutter. Jeep warns that the top was not meant to support loads. I looked into this before I bought my Kargo Master Congo Cage. I already had all of the Yakima appliances for my kayaks. The cage has yakima bar attachments which I have and now I can put all 4 of my kayaks or any combination up to 4 up there and not create a law suit for myself for doing something not recommended by the manufacturer. Granted the kayaks would have to fall off and do harm to someone or something for a law suit to be able to be filed. But why take the chance. This is like towing over the manufacturer limit for towing. Can it be done? Sure. But if you do and the load comes off and hurts someone, then the problems begin. Ever been behind a vehicle where the kayaks come off and land in the windshield? I wonder what would result? If it hasn't happened yet, it is just a matter of time. Think about it. Err on the side of safety.
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Thanks. I hate to spend that kind of money on a roof rack but will probably have to, probably a good investment. MBRP makes one that mounts through the hard top and has about a 1000lb rating, might as well get a good solid one.
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1000 lbs seems like overkill...it exceeds the load capacity of the jeep. It also makes it impossible to remove the top if it bolts through it. At that load capacity, it must somehow be supported by the tub because the top itself couldn't support that load. Hmmm.
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MBRP makes a multi-option rack, just for the JK's-checkout their website


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Thanks. I hate to spend that kind of money on a roof rack but will probably have to, probably a good investment. MBRP makes one that mounts through the hard top and has about a 1000lb rating, might as well get a good solid one.
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JIMBO, you lost your wiper!

Good looking rack! (roof rack, that is)

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Heh Heh, thanx Bob

No I didn't lose that wiper, that was one of the first things I took off, year before last, when i got the jeep

The second thing was that STUPID bass speaker , they stuck in the cargo space, what the hell was Chrysler thinking !!!

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Jimbo, awesome rack if I haven't said so already. I have both tops so that one wouldn't have worked for me but if I were a hard top only jeeper I would definitely have checked that one out. The matching trailer really makes a statement too. Really cool.
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Thanx jk'n, thats the only drawback to the MBRP rack, it won't work with a topless JK


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Jimbo, awesome rack if I haven't said so already. I have both tops so that one wouldn't have worked for me but if I were a hard top only jeeper I would definitely have checked that one out. The matching trailer really makes a statement too. Really cool.
BUT, it sure does make the hardtop removal easy, like handholds on either side for lifting, I have a RACOR hoist in my Nevada garage and the top comes off "lickity Split"--

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Thanks Jimbo, that rig looks better every time I see it. You've got pix everywhere too! I think I'm sold on the MBRP rack, I'm seeing it for around 900, gives me the option of using an RTT which I'm considering but was planning on putting it on the trailer I'm drawing up.
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Thanx jager, yea, I've posJed it quite a few times cause I'm pretty happy with MBRP and they've used my pic in their website


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Thanks Jimbo, that rig looks better every time I see it. You've got pix everywhere too! I think I'm sold on the MBRP rack, I'm seeing it for around 900, gives me the option of using an RTT which I'm considering but was planning on putting it on the trailer I'm drawing up.
Remember, they have a detachable light bar/winshield lites and an optional basket that goes all the way forward--KEWL

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I'm new to this forum and have been thinking about buying an 09 or 10 JK with hardtop but also would need to carry sea kayaks. Just want to make sure I understand the issue. Y'all are saying that the hardtop's rain gutters just won't support much weight, right? So, the only alternative is to get a rig that affixes to a frame structure that in turn attaches to either side of the hardtop like the MBRP or somewhere else on the jeep itself. Do I have that right? No matter how you do it, it seems like the kayaks would be hard to get onto the frame. How difficult is it to hoist up? My yaks are 17' traditional sea kayaks. Right now, I've got an 02 Liberty with Toluee cradles affixed to my stock roof rack. Hoisting the yak onto it is easy. I'd appreciate any comments.
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Well, I don't know about Kayaks, but I use a RACOR hoist for the top and whatever I'm putting up there, unless it's light !!


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I'm new to this forum and have been thinking about buying an 09 or 10 JK with hardtop but also would need to carry sea kayaks. Just want to make sure I understand the issue. Y'all are saying that the hardtop's rain gutters just won't support much weight, right? So, the only alternative is to get a rig that affixes to a frame structure that in turn attaches to either side of the hardtop like the MBRP or somewhere else on the jeep itself. Do I have that right? No matter how you do it, it seems like the kayaks would be hard to get onto the frame. How difficult is it to hoist up? My yaks are 17' traditional sea kayaks. Right now, I've got an 02 Liberty with Toluee cradles affixed to my stock roof rack. Hoisting the yak onto it is easy. I'd appreciate any comments.
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Well, for now, I'll need to think on it. Getting a new JK is a bit down the road and the rack probably is a little beyond that. Your MBRP looks great and very functional. Enjoy.
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Billy Bov, There are several rack systems that mount to the windshield hinge and to the body in the rear with a frame that goes completely over the jeep. I personally don't like the style so I keep looking for other ways of carrying my kayaks but I keep coming back to the MBRP rack like Jimbo has. It's got a high weight rating which is more than I would ever put up there but I'd never have to worry about how solid the rack is or if it's going to come down through the hard top if I scrape a tree overhead. Lots of options.
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Jager,

I totally agree that the MBRP is a superior product. I just don't know if I'd be able to come up with the bucks to purchase it. I'd probably go with one of the others; probably the "congo" or "armor" products (not sure about the name of the last one) etc. But who knows. Anyway, thanks for all the feedback. This is a great forum. If nothing else, I can fantasize about all this stuff. Thanks again.
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Love the MBRP product, but what are the options for us 2-door JK owners?
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They now have the same rack for the 2dr JK "HARDTOPS"

You have to check their website mbrpinc.com


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Thanks Jimbo. Tried the link you provided, but that was just a pusher to other sites. I did got to the MBRP Inc Performance Exhaust - Snowmobile, Diesel, Muscle Car, Exotic, Motorcycle and Sport Truck Exhaust Systems. site, but they are only showing the 4-door version for sale. Did see a pic on another forum of a 2-door install... so I'm a believer. Guess I will have to call MBRP to get more info.
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Sorry COL V, they've changed again

try mbrpinc performance exhaust
Click on Jeep exhaust and accessories
click on Roof Racks and acc. (see my pic)


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Thanks Jimbo. Tried the link you provided, but that was just a pusher to other sites. I did got to the MBRP Inc Performance Exhaust - Snowmobile, Diesel, Muscle Car, Exotic, Motorcycle and Sport Truck Exhaust Systems. site, but they are only showing the 4-door version for sale. Did see a pic on another forum of a 2-door install... so I'm a believer. Guess I will have to call MBRP to get more info.
email sales@mbrp.com or call 1-888-636-7223 and ask for steve

they SUPPOSEDLY are finished with the 2dr proto's

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I'm also a sea kayaker on the hunt for a roof rack for my new 2010 4-door JK Sahara, and have been reading all the postings on this topic. The MBRP rack is the best looking one in my opinion, and Jimbox yours looks awesome . Steve from MBRP sent me some photos of the installed rack with kayaks on top, but only for the 2-door JK and not the 4. I'm concerned that my boat will be set too far back on the jeep. Does anyone have a photo of the MBRP rack mounted on a 4-door with a boat on top? What about the Gobi ranger safari rack? I've heard the Congo Cage has a problem with too much wind noise.
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I have a congo cage and there is wind noise. I can't compare it to other racks though and others most likely will not be able to compare it to the congo cage unfortunately. That being said, others will be able to say what theirs sounds like.

Mine makes noise but it supports 500 lbs and does it with either top on. That was one on my requirements: both tops usable, and the reason for my choice of the Congo Cage. My Kayaks, including my sea touring kayak, sit in the middle of the top on a pair of Yakima bars with Yakima appliances such as J racks, sharks, and yak stackers. If I don't want any noise, I can take the rack off. It has convenient attachment points that can be undone with wrenches. Unlike the Body Armor rack, the Congo Cage mounts right on the stock JK without modifications. The Body Armor will not fit on the stock rear bumper according to the directions for installation, you would have to go with an after market bumper. When the Body Armor rack came out I kept lurking the web looking for reviews on it. It looks nice and doesn't interfere with raising and lowering the soft top. The Congo cage has to be tilted back for the soft top to be raised and lowered. The Body Armor has a lower weight capacity than the Congo Cage. There are pluses and minuses to every rack system. What you have to figure out is what you can put up with about the rack. I may have gone with the one that Jimbox has if I had only a hard top and no intentions of getting a soft top....ever.

Just some ideas on what lead up to my decision to maybe help out others contemplating the choice of a rack system.
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I'm suprised Steve didn't send you the pic's of the MBRP rack (4dr) with the latest options, that go all the way forward to an overhead light rack-Hmm


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I'm also a sea kayaker on the hunt for a roof rack for my new 2010 4-door JK Sahara, and have been reading all the postings on this topic. The MBRP rack is the best looking one in my opinion, and Jimbox yours looks awesome . Steve from MBRP sent me some photos of the installed rack with kayaks on top, but only for the 2-door JK and not the 4. I'm concerned that my boat will be set too far back on the jeep. Does anyone have a photo of the MBRP rack mounted on a 4-door with a boat on top? What about the Gobi ranger safari rack? I've heard the Congo Cage has a problem with too much wind noise.
Go to jkowners.com forum and check their "search", MBRP has a bunch of pic's there

jK'n is right about his rack-the MBRP iisn't designed for removal, it makes taking the top off EASY, but then--NO RACK so it's up to you for your choices

I never go camping for DAYS without the top on, so the MBRP was ideal

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jimbo i couldnt find the pics you were talking about... i think i really want one of these when i get the money to spend on it.... but other than that i like the looks of if and if i take the top off i can still put stuff on the roll cage... i dont kayak or anything like that but if i had to strap some 2x4's or panels im sure the rollcage would hold up without the top... plus i like the helping of getting the hardtop off when needed...
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I said it made the top easy to get off for two people, because of the HANDY HANDLES, but


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jimbo i couldnt find the pics you were talking about... i think i really want one of these when i get the money to spend on it.... but other than that i like the looks of if and if i take the top off i can still put stuff on the roll cage... i dont kayak or anything like that but if i had to strap some 2x4's or panels im sure the rollcage would hold up without the top... plus i like the helping of getting the hardtop off when needed...
My garage has a ten foot ceiling and I use a RACOR HD HOIST and it just hooks the the rack and the top comes off, here's a pic of my boat going on I don't have a pic of the top removal, but it's the same

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i was talking about the pics of the front extension... i found some on 4wd.com but i think i dont need the whole shebang anyways... the rear section looks good enough and i wouldnt have to detach the front section to take the top off... so convincing the wife... i think my strategy is going to be... well honey i need something to haul the big stuff so its either a small trailer or a roof rack, they are about the same price... what do you think?... (btw she doesnt want a trailer in our backyard so its a big decision on her side heh, ugly trailer or roof rack...)

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