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Old 04-14-2008, 07:16 PM   #31
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WOW! a lot of opinions here! I drive atJ and love my I6. I drove my friends JK up a hill and the low range just feels different in the JK. It doesn't have the same "crawl" feeling of the TJ.
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Hey guys,

New to the forum and am in the market to buy a jeep, my first.

Have heard a lot of good things about them, but was wondering what u previous owners think of the new V6, compared to the older style inline 6.

Like I said, im looking to buy a jeep in the next few months and want one that will last a long time. New jeeps looks nice b/c of lifetime warranty, but i have some friends that told me that the inline 6 engine work better than the V6.

any info would help. thanks.
Hi,

I'm in the same situation and I am ordering a JK because of the lifetime warranty. Without the lifetime warranty I would probably buy an older model and mod the hell out of it.
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It doesn't have the same "crawl" feeling of the TJ.
yup, the V6 is smooth rev friendly engine.

With an auto tranny in my opinion it feels like a crossover.
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I'm in the same situation and I am ordering a JK because of the lifetime warranty. Without the lifetime warranty I would probably buy an older model and mod the hell out of it.
the lifetime warranty isn't all that spectacular. from what i've seen it is just powertrain. the only thing that is covering is if a rod goes through the pan, or the trans goes out. and expect to be hassled about maintenance records. how many 4.0 engines go bad? ask any 4.0 owners here, thats better than any warranty from daimler!! i wouldn't use that as a real buying factor. i'm not sure what mods will void that as well. they're in business to make money, they aren't gonna give stuff away.
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the lifetime warranty isn't all that spectacular. from what i've seen it is just powertrain. the only thing that is covering is if a rod goes through the pan, or the trans goes out. and expect to be hassled about maintenance records. how many 4.0 engines go bad? ask any 4.0 owners here, thats better than any warranty from daimler!! i wouldn't use that as a real buying factor. i'm not sure what mods will void that as well. they're in business to make money, they aren't gonna give stuff away.
Probably why they named it the Lifetime Powertrain Warranty...
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The lifetime powertrain warranty will eventually hurt the resale values of most Chrysler products, as the warranty is not transferable like the old warranties. Does anyonw know how much IS transferable???

My opinion is that you guys bicker too much... in 10 years we will be in this exact same place. Jeep will be making a new Wrangler that is a little more up to date buit will outwheel previous models in stock form (which teh JK kicks the TJs butt in stock form off road) and we will be saying how much more "jeeplike" the JK is than the New one. We had this same argument in '96 when the TJ was introduced... and even more so in the 80's when teh YJ was introduced.
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The lifetime powertrain warranty will eventually hurt the resale values of most Chrysler products, as the warranty is not transferable like the old warranties. Does anyonw know how much IS transferable???

My opinion is that you guys bicker too much... in 10 years we will be in this exact same place. Jeep will be making a new Wrangler that is a little more up to date buit will outwheel previous models in stock form (which teh JK kicks the TJs butt in stock form off road) and we will be saying how much more "jeeplike" the JK is than the New one. We had this same argument in '96 when the TJ was introduced... and even more so in the 80's when teh YJ was introduced.
I agree about all the bickering on this thread, especially from those that don't even own a JK.

On a more serious note, I am confused over why the Lifetime Powertrain Warranty not being transferrable would hurt the resale value. The standard 3yr, 36,000 mile warranty is still in effect and would transfer to a new owner. Outside of that, unless one had purchased some kind of extended warranty, a new owner would be no worse off than before the LPW went into effect. Unless I'm missing something.
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I wouldn't say we are "whining" we are just saying there are better engines suited for this application. The 3.8 isn't bad but the 4.0 is better for this type of jeep. I'm also sad to see the 4.0 go as it was part of what made it a jeep. The I6 is a dyeing breed.
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I agree about all the bickering on this thread, especially from those that don't even own a JK.

On a more serious note, I am confused over why the Lifetime Powertrain Warranty not being transferrable would hurt the resale value. The standard 3yr, 36,000 mile warranty is still in effect and would transfer to a new owner. Outside of that, unless one had purchased some kind of extended warranty, a new owner would be no worse off than before the LPW went into effect. Unless I'm missing something.
What you are missing is that a buyer faced with the choice of buying a used Jeep with no transferrable warranty left, or even a with some transferrable warranty left, will probably opt to spend a few more $$ and buy new to get the lifetime warranty.
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What you are missing is that a buyer faced with the choice of buying a used Jeep with no transferrable warranty left, or even a with some transferrable warranty left, will probably opt to spend a few more $$ and buy new to get the lifetime warranty.

Maybe...but only if your assumption is there will continue to be a Lifetime Powertrain Warranty offered. Once they drop it and you go back to just the standard bumper to bumper only, then it becomes a moot point. I know Chrysler originally said it was for a limited time but so far it's still offered so who knows. Once these JKs get a few years old and have been modified then the LPW will probably be worthless anyway.

Now if you only buy yours to drive to the mall then I guess the lifetime warranty is a big deal.
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Probably why they named it the Lifetime Powertrain Warranty...
well if you look at the original post, people like to shorten it to "lifetime warranty" and most people don't pay attention to what it really is, they just think it sounds great. the only way that should be a buying factor is if you're gonna keep it stock, and own if for the rest of your life. and by the time you use it, who knows what they'll come up with then.
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well if you look at the original post, people like to shorten it to "lifetime warranty" and most people don't pay attention to what it really is, they just think it sounds great. the only way that should be a buying factor is if you're gonna keep it stock, and own if for the rest of your life. and by the time you use it, who knows what they'll come up with then.
Actually, I agree with you on this. I just originally wanted to point out it was a lifetime powertrain warranty but even I referred to it as the lifetime warranty in my post above. It was not a deciding factor for me when I bought mine but I considered it a nice bonus. Now as to whether it will be honored when or if it is ever needed that may be a different matter.
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The Lifetime Power train Warranty offered is just a way to get customers to buy their product over Toyota or the other foreign competitors Chrysler knows the average American new car buyer only keeps their cars around 3.5 years.
So, the warranty is another way to lure more buyers.
As for the JK, is their not a 2wd 4 door version available. Tell me what direction jeep is heading?

? 2wd...Mini-van Engine? Is the Wrangler cross-over next?

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its not really available in 2wd is it? no wrangler has ever been available in 2wd.
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oh man, this is the saddest day of my life. a wrangler isn't a wrangler if its 2wd. thanks daimler

trail rated baby, great direction they're taking.

i'm sorry but the jk, now stands for just kidding to me.
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I can't believe the length of the engine hasn't been brought up here. Did jeep expand the passenger compartment room in the JK by using the V6 also? Many V6s are shorter than most inline four cylinders. V6s are generally a lot shorter than inline 6s. Fuel economy and similar parts between models certainly help the argument for using the V6.
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good call wjawb0 someone go measure there engine bay and i iwll do the same...haha

what if that was the truth and the engine bay shrank...wouln'd that suck, no more hemi's or 350's or hell i am sure a ho4.0 will make its way under the new jk soon enough, when all the diehard 4.0 jeepers give up there tj's and modernize. hell i will go buy one and sell the engine on ebay and yank the 4.0 out of my yj and throw it in there.. a while ago i went to a dealer adn openned the hood of a rubicon, 06 and there was the same motor as what was in my 90 yj( 93 cherokee engine) ahh the winds of change are among the jeep and the 4.0 is no more!!!!!!!
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I don't see what the fuss is about the JK. It is no true to the Jeep style. And its down right ugly.

Ok, I gotta Jump in here... Firt off let me say that I have owned and STILL own a VERY capable TJ for my offroad playtoy (2000, 2.5, auto, HPD44 33 spline front, 8" lift, long arm, 10" stretch 37" Sticky M/T's 35 spline D44 rear) and also own, daily drive and WHEEl a pretty well built JK ( 07, auto, hard top, Rubicon, 5.13 gears, aFe intake, Walker beadlocks, 37" M/T claws, RK Long arm 5.5" Lift) I GUARANTEE that either one of these will run any trail your YJ will, with working A/C and both pulling 17+ MPG, Licenced and Insured. IMHO, you are just voicing your OPINION with no true facts to back it up. Just ask any CJ guy what went through camp when those "Ugly square headlight street jeeps" drove offroad. I remember those days, and right now it reminds me of those days. The offroad industry was pretty much BORN on the TJ platform, so I can understand the ignorance when comments are tossed out to JK owners. And Yes, My JK was the one that flat out SPANKED 1BLKJP's TJ.On 37's. Jack and I both got a good laugh out of it, but thats all it was. As for power and torque, lets put your YJ on a dyno and see how it does. A real world loaded dyno for true HP numbers at the wheels. I have my sheet from a recent Intake system test we did for a Magazine and would be happy to post it, but would like to see how much "more" torque and horsepower your Jeep Makes.


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Probably why they named it the Lifetime Powertrain Warranty...

Seems to me That Jeep is pretty confident with the 3.8 huh?? The powertrain warranty was concieved because of the "hardcore" Jeepers thought on a "mini-van" engine. Who cares what the engine platform was designed for?? The Caravan, Voyager have been the MOST sucessful vehicles Chrysler EVER produced. Period. Lets really talk about CRAP engines.... the 3.7 and 2.8 VM Motori Diesel in the Liberty, the 4.7 that has nasty oil coking,circulation problems, or the early 5.7 Hemi Engines. Wecould go into the 4.0's problems But I dont want to start a war. The 4.0 is a good engine, but just because it lasts 200K doesnt mean its "better" than the 3.8. The Chevy 2.8 V6 lasted too but was truely a junk engine. Lets try to keep our opinions inside and talk real DATA here.....


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Seems to me That Jeep is pretty confident with the 3.8 huh?? The powertrain warranty was concieved because of the "hardcore" Jeepers thought on a "mini-van" engine. Who cares what the engine platform was designed for?? The Caravan, Voyager have been the MOST sucessful vehicles Chrysler EVER produced. Period. Lets really talk about CRAP engines.... the 3.7 and 2.8 VM Motori Diesel in the Liberty, the 4.7 that has nasty oil coking,circulation problems, or the early 5.7 Hemi Engines. Wecould go into the 4.0's problems But I dont want to start a war. The 4.0 is a good engine, but just because it lasts 200K doesnt mean its "better" than the 3.8. The Chevy 2.8 V6 lasted too but was truely a junk engine. Lets try to keep our opinions inside and talk real DATA here.....


Since you quoted me I assume you took issue with what I said. You might have a valid point about the 3.8 IF the warranty was only for the Wrangler but it's not. Chrysler was looking at their entire line. So I don't think it's anything to do with Jeep worrying about "hardcore" Jeepers freaking out over a V6. I have a JK and find the 3.8 to be fine...I wasn't expecting muscle car performance. It wheels just fine. I just see here a few folks who don't even own a JK whining about it. Oh you can get it in 2WD...oh the shame..yada yada....I'd be ashamed to admit that I hadn't taken the time to read anything about the JK...it's in what...it's second year already? At least you own one.
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i tried to resist, but i can't. jeep was the first 4x4. every cj was 4x4, every wranlger was 4x4. so since 1941 every cj through wrangler was 4x4.

why offer a wrangler in 2 wheel drive? if you want a convertible buy a sebring.
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I'm not here saying that YJs are the best thing out there, because I love CJs and TJs as well. YJs are just my thing.

Seems to me that Jeep made a valiant effort to sway the Wranglers from offroad use to mall crawlers and pavement pounders. They've made it look like a glorified convertible V6 Hummer.

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