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Old 11-14-2014, 07:21 AM   #31
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I have a 14 JKUWW with the half doors. The front doors leak at the bottom and the back leak at the top. Took it to Bedford Jeep, they water tested it, made it worse then applied the repair kit. Now its back to its regular leaking. The dealer told my customer care agent that they could not fix it. So I am at another dealer since Monday. The service manager said they adjusted the doors and they were going to do another water test. I could pick it up tonight. Under PA law, one more trip for this repair and I qualify for a replacement under the lemon law. Since they are so proud of production since 1941, you would think they could build them without so many leaks. I love the half doors and if I would get a replacement, I still want the half doors. It wasn't so long ago that half doors was the standard issue not full doors. I had a JK with full doors and the soft top but it never felt "right" to me.
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I have a 2014 JKU with half doors. It's got about 5k miles and leaks at the front passenger side and the rear driver's side. The rear leak is really bad. When it rains the water dribbles constantly in from above the window.

We took it in the other day (the power steering pump went) and they said that Chrysler told them that leaks in Jeeps with half doors can't be fixed. I just got off the phone with the Chrysler Customer Assistance Center and the nice woman said there is a "star case" open. She said that's when the dealer asks for assistance from Jeep's techs. She also said that nothing had been approved or denied and that she'd have the "management team" get back to me.

The kicker is that our 2011 JKU with half doors also leaked and after 10+ times in the shop we settled with Chrysler and traded for our 2014. I can't believe we have to go through all that again!

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After the second dealer tried to fix mine, i have a very crooked drivers door and still leaks, all four doors. Last Saturday, i took it back to the dealer i purchased it at. The sales manager ordered me a new 15 Monday. They gave what i paid for it 10 weeks ago. They are trying to get Chrysler to give me some cash towards the price difference since i didnt get the lawyers involved. I asked for the identical build. He asked,"what if new one leakes?" I simply replied,"we will do it all over again." I thought that once it would snow that the leaking was over. Wrong! I got to work and all snow around the door leaked and ran in.
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Update: Talked to someone at Chrysler who confirmed what the STAR paperwork said, that due to the 1/2 doors the leak may be a characteristic of the build and there is no repair. She did say I could take it to another dealer which I did tonight. The guys there saw several things that needed to be fixed, including realigning the doors (the gaps are way off when you compare one side to the other) and one of the uppers is very loose, due to no center pin. In short, they laughed at the idea that it can't be fixed, couldn't believe the other dealer didn't try anything, and we made an appointment.

They did say it could be a process, but they seemed optimistic that they could help me out. They also said they've seen other leaks, in hard and soft top, full doors as well as 1/2.
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My 2015 JKUR drips on stereo after a hard rain when I turn corners or brake hard. Comes in above windshield where the two freedom hard top panels meet. I have tried the trick to loosen panels and lift them straight up and back down to make sure seals are not folded. Didn't seem to help. Will those water drops hurt the 430 stereo? It's getting on the LCD and rolling down and pooling at the bottom edge of lcd where it meets the plastic. I need to try that stuff everyone is rubbing on their seals. It's a jeep so it doesn't bother me much, I just don't want the screen or stereo damaged from it or have it drip on my phone and ruin it. The picture is after a little wiping with finger. It seems after it did its leaking that it stops because there is no puddle left up there. When taking off freedom panels there is a little water in the "trench" of the front rubber seal above the windshield. Just think I paid a good chunk of change for a vehicle, it shouldn't leak.
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So before last monday (11/17) My jeep had leaked a total of 2 times. Both being I had not put the top panels on correctly. But last monday, we had an extremely heavy rain (it was coming down in sheets and you couldnt see to the end of the block) my drivers side carpet was soaked front and back as well as the cup holder in the rear.

So I took her in to the dealer, they said they replaced the all the door seals and header seals and I should be good to go. What they did do was leave a mess of rubber shavings all over the floor too.

But today here on long island it is raining, nothing too crazy just a typical rainy new york day. But what do I see when I go out to lunch? The front drivers side carpet is soaked -_-

Back to the dealership on Monday she goes.
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So before last monday (11/17) My jeep had leaked a total of 2 times. Both being I had not put the top panels on correctly. But last monday, we had an extremely heavy rain (it was coming down in sheets and you couldnt see to the end of the block) my drivers side carpet was soaked front and back as well as the cup holder in the rear.

So I took her in to the dealer, they said they replaced the all the door seals and header seals and I should be good to go. What they did do was leave a mess of rubber shavings all over the floor too.

But today here on long island it is raining, nothing too crazy just a typical rainy new york day. But what do I see when I go out to lunch? The front drivers side carpet is soaked -_-

Back to the dealership on Monday she goes.
Was the carpet dry when you pulled it out. No. Was it dry when it went back in. Don't know. How about pulling the carpet out and letting it dry. And try to find where leak is coming from if it is even leaking anymore. Those carpets are sponges and hold water for a long time.
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Outstanding ASE... I am awaiting a new JK and have heard the horror stories of the freedom panel leak syndrome and now I have been forwarned and forarmed... My deepest thanks to you for providing this. I am not the type to let some goofball finger my new Jeep at the dealership if I can handle it or at least diagnose a problem at home...
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I took delivery of my 2015 JKU Sahara on 11/25, and picked up my friends to go for a joyride in the new Jeep. There was this awful rattling noise when we went over bumps, which turned out to be the dry cleaning hooks sliding and hitting the hard top, but I started by looking on the floor to see if something had fallen and was rattling against the metal. Well I'm glad I looked because I noticed that the front passenger carpet was soaked, and the driver's side was on the wetter side of damp. And it only had 47 miles on it! So I pulled the floor mats out, grabbed my Vornado fan and rigged it to blow on the carpets for a few hours and got them to dry. Next day, called the dealership and was told that it was possible the front doors weren't closed all the way when they washed it for delivery. Ok, sounds plausible since you do kinda have to slam the doors to close all the way. Well, after making a trip to Vermont for the holidays (and getting to take it off-road a little, which was awesome), it rained on my way home so I figured I would check the carpets. Sadly, wet again. It's now at the dealership with only 700 miles on it, and I'm tooling around in a 2015 Kia Sedona that reeks of cigarette smoke while they water test it to find the leak. I hope they do it quickly because I just REALLY want my Jeep back! This minivan s-u-c-k-s.
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I took delivery of my 2015 JKU Sahara on 11/25, and picked up my friends to go for a joyride in the new Jeep. There was this awful rattling noise when we went over bumps, which turned out to be the dry cleaning hooks sliding and hitting the hard top, but I started by looking on the floor to see if something had fallen and was rattling against the metal. Well I'm glad I looked because I noticed that the front passenger carpet was soaked, and the driver's side was on the wetter side of damp. And it only had 47 miles on it! So I pulled the floor mats out, grabbed my Vornado fan and rigged it to blow on the carpets for a few hours and got them to dry. Next day, called the dealership and was told that it was possible the front doors weren't closed all the way when they washed it for delivery. Ok, sounds plausible since you do kinda have to slam the doors to close all the way. Well, after making a trip to Vermont for the holidays (and getting to take it off-road a little, which was awesome), it rained on my way home so I figured I would check the carpets. Sadly, wet again. It's now at the dealership with only 700 miles on it, and I'm tooling around in a 2015 Kia Sedona that reeks of cigarette smoke while they water test it to find the leak. I hope they do it quickly because I just REALLY want my Jeep back! This minivan s-u-c-k-s.

Update…I picked up my Jeep this morning from the dealer and they replaced both front door seals and the header seal above the windshield. I took it through a car wash at lunch today, and so far it's dry. I'll have to check it when I get out of work and see if any water seeped in after, but I'm hoping it's good now.
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Update…I picked up my Jeep this morning from the dealer and they replaced both front door seals and the header seal above the windshield. I took it through a car wash at lunch today, and so far it's dry. I'll have to check it when I get out of work and see if any water seeped in after, but I'm hoping it's good now.
You need to really familiarize yourself with these freedom tops. THEY WILL LEAK! First familiarize yourself with the install procedure for the top. Then you need to know the max turns of those two screws in the center row bar. Mine is 18. And I keep track Clock wise turns. Summer is 11 and winter is about 13.5. Right side is 1/2 turn more then left. But your jeep might be different. If you go over the max turn limit, you will punch thru the top and crack it. BEWARE! I've attached something I made to keep track of how tight I have my Freedom Top front panels. Print them on Gloss Picture Paper if you want. I keep a card in the Jeep where I can see all the time. If it rains and you notice water, give it a half turn and note it on the card. That usually works
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You need to really familiarize yourself with these freedom tops. THEY WILL LEAK! First familiarize yourself with the install procedure for the top. Then you need to know the max turns of those two screws in the center row bar. Mine is 18. And I keep track Clock wise turns. Summer is 11 and winter is about 13.5. Right side is 1/2 turn more then left. But your jeep might be different. If you go over the max turn limit, you will punch thru the top and crack it. BEWARE! I've attached something I made to keep track of how tight I have my Freedom Top front panels. Print them on Gloss Picture Paper if you want. I keep a card in the Jeep where I can see all the time. If it rains and you notice water, give it a half turn and note it on the card. That usually works
This is great, thank you! I haven't had the chance to even play with the freedom top yet, but as soon as the weather gets just a tad warmer they're coming out and I'm going for a ride. The card is printed and will be in the Jeep shortly. Much appreciated.
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Was the carpet dry when you pulled it out. No. Was it dry when it went back in. Don't know. How about pulling the carpet out and letting it dry. And try to find where leak is coming from if it is even leaking anymore. Those carpets are sponges and hold water for a long time.
Left the carpet out to dry completely before replacing. So yes it was dry when i put it back. Already found where the leak was coming from and recorded the water flowing into jeep. Showed it to the rep and mechanic.

I understand that youre giving suggestions but why would i put wet carpet back into the jeep? When you can see water flowing down your doors, on the inside pretty sure its still leaking
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well mine is back at the dealer with only 873 miles on it. After the torrential rain this past weekend in the northeast, the passenger side carpet was soaked again. However, the driver's side was dry, so I guess the new door seals are doing something. I got the sales manager this time when I dropped it off, and he told me they're going to replace the windshield (minor defect in glass) and then run the water tests with the carpet out. They'll line the floors with newspaper to see where the water is coming in. He also told me that if it happens again that he'll be ordering me a new Wrangler. So in the mean time, I'm driving a loaner '11 Grand Cherokee with the 5.7L Hemi. The fuel economy is so bad that it makes the Wrangler look like a Prius.
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well mine is back at the dealer with only 873 miles on it. After the torrential rain this past weekend in the northeast, the passenger side carpet was soaked again. However, the driver's side was dry, so I guess the new door seals are doing something. I got the sales manager this time when I dropped it off, and he told me they're going to replace the windshield (minor defect in glass) and then run the water tests with the carpet out. They'll line the floors with newspaper to see where the water is coming in. He also told me that if it happens again that he'll be ordering me a new Wrangler. So in the mean time, I'm driving a loaner '11 Grand Cherokee with the 5.7L Hemi. The fuel economy is so bad that it makes the Wrangler look like a Prius.
After 6 years I finally have to take mine in for the passenger side leak. These door seals are horrible. And the rubber sponge pads they use is scary.
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Left the carpet out to dry completely before replacing. So yes it was dry when i put it back. Already found where the leak was coming from and recorded the water flowing into jeep. Showed it to the rep and mechanic.

I understand that youre giving suggestions but why would i put wet carpet back into the jeep? When you can see water flowing down your doors, on the inside pretty sure its still leaking
Rusty its like this. Theres a lot of info left out on these issues. And most people usually don't respond back when they get there stuff fixed. So Ha!
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After 6 years I finally have to take mine in for the passenger side leak. These door seals are horrible. And the rubber sponge pads they use is scary.
Apparently the ones they use as replacements are a bit thicker than the stock ones, you really need to *slam* the front doors to get them to close. Good luck with yours, hopefully it'll be a one-shot deal for you.
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Apparently the ones they use as replacements are a bit thicker than the stock ones, you really need to *slam* the front doors to get them to close. Good luck with yours, hopefully it'll be a one-shot deal for you.
I think I am going to make it a point every other summer to replace all the sponge padding. Or at least every 2-3 years. It seems to be common with everyone. It was even suggested after I brought it up. You could say I got a thumbs up for removing my carpet by someone. I wish they had made the hard tops a one piece with Sun Roofs. Too many places for water to get in with these Freedom Panels. And as far as closing the doors, if you open a window they close a lot easier from what I've noticed.
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Made an appointment for next week. Front passenger door. Planning to mark the spot with duct tape, so they believe me.
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Here is a TSB_23-001-07. Its got some good info for roof repair.

http://project-jk.com/images/tsb/TSB_23-001-07.pdf

I think the original repair procedure at the beginning of this thread is a must read for everyone.
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Other Hard top info that I've found
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It would also be a good idea to familiarize yourselves with the seals on your tops and be ready to order these seals.
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Here are pics of Untouched left door and New seals on Right door.
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Well 11 days at the dealer and I got the call today that they fully believe they have fixed the leak. The sales manager (he's running point on this for me) asked if I could leave it one more night since it's supposed to rain tonight, and if all goes well I should get it back tomorrow. They've run it through 2 different car washes and so far it's been dry. Fingers crossed...
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**update** got the Jeep back today, and after the rainstorm the other night, the interior is still dry. So in total, they replaced the following:

*Installed new windshield and resealed
*Resealed right upper door and header seal
*Installed new seals on both front doors

Now it's time for some mods. Rear seat recline kit is on the way, gonna make the appointment for the front window tint, and hoping Santa brings some LED headlights.
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I found a new version of the pdf that was originally posted for this topic. The first 26 pages are what you all have seen before, but after that. Pages 27 to 144 go over specific area leaks fro both kinds of tops as well as service bulletins that were issued.

This was posted on a Jeep club's forum,

JK Wrangler Water Leak Repair Manual - Blogs - Brisbane Jeep Club
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I found a new version of the pdf that was originally posted for this topic. The first 26 pages are what you all have seen before, but after that. Pages 27 to 144 go over specific area leaks fro both kinds of tops as well as service bulletins that were issued.

This was posted on a Jeep club's forum,

JK Wrangler Water Leak Repair Manual - Blogs - Brisbane Jeep Club
I haven't given that a good look yet. I really advise everyone to get familiar with the repair on these Freedom Tops. Start looking up the Seal Parts and information and getting supplies such as the cleaners used. I know I will by the end of next summer. Its obvious that the Foam blockers are a lot of the problems and the Center Seal on the right panel are most of everyones problems. Not to mention the Door Seals. And you know Dales1979 will be back.
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**update** got the Jeep back today, and after the rainstorm the other night, the interior is still dry. So in total, they replaced the following:

*Installed new windshield and resealed
*Resealed right upper door and header seal
*Installed new seals on both front doors

Now it's time for some mods. Rear seat recline kit is on the way, gonna make the appointment for the front window tint, and hoping Santa brings some LED headlights.
Front Window Tint? Are you sure about that. I painted the inside freedom panels black to cut down on the glare if that's what you are trying to do.
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I found a new version of the pdf that was originally posted for this topic. The first 26 pages are what you all have seen before, but after that. Pages 27 to 144 go over specific area leaks fro both kinds of tops as well as service bulletins that were issued.

This was posted on a Jeep club's forum,

JK Wrangler Water Leak Repair Manual - Blogs - Brisbane Jeep Club
the other Jeep Forums have lots of info about this Freedom Panel issue. This post has covered it pretty well with an updated procedure.

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