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Old 01-08-2017, 11:53 AM   #661
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what are you guys using for Sirius? out here we still have parts with no data coverage so tethering and online is not a reliable option...
I have the Sirius app on my phone so I listen to Stern via Bluetooth, but if you have Internet access you can download the app on the head unit

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what are you guys using for Sirius? out here we still have parts with no data coverage so tethering and online is not a reliable option...
Personally I have Youtube Red subscription, you can download playlists to your phone and stream it to joying, or while on wifi/hotspot do the same directly on joying head unit. Realistically I just always have my cell hotspot and joying is using it as wifi connection. I get 5gb of included hotspot in my plan on tmobile which lasts me entire month of 3 hours a day driving of music streaming.

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Quick update:

I didn't get a whole lot of time to mess around with the receiver this weekend, but enough to provide some quick feedback.

Power On
I discovered why my unit powered up instantly, and I've decided to turn that feature off until further notice. There is a setting that allows the user to toggle a setting that's called "Dormancy." Basically, it will leave the unit powered on (theoretically in a low-power state) until the ignition is fired again. Pros, you get instant-on and jump right back into whatever music or app you were in when you last turned your ignition off. Cons, there is some degree of power that is being summoned from your battery. Feedback is mixed from what I could dig up on the internet, but it seems for now that it's too risky to leave this setting on and potentially walk out to a dead battery. So, back to the 20-second boot times.

It would be nice if Joying built a battery into the unit that allowed it to draw from for the 'dormancy' feature. Not sure how feasible something like that would be, but if it allowed even for a maximum of 24 hours before the unit shutdown and required a full reboot, that would be great.

Launcher
I'm using Nova Launcher as opposed to the less-than-favorable launcher that comes with the receiver. Everyone has their own preferences, and I prefer a clean screen with quick access to the apps I will use the most during commute.

Data Connectivity
I created a Tasker profile on my phone to turn my hot spot on when I am connected to the Joying Bluetooth. It works as indented and gives me a data connection to my receiver when it's needed, which is not very often. Good for navigation and incoming texts I suppose.

Miscellaneous
  • The button illumination is pretty close to factory. I'm kind of surprised they don't have an RGB option, but it's very close, so no issue with that.
  • As expected, the DSP settings are essentially nonexistent. Joying is allegedly working on adding more robust DSP processing this year. I'll believe it when I see it, and if it does come, I'm pretty confident it will not have the full suite of T/A, L/R EQ, X-over, level, phase, etc. Likely going to add a MiniDSP to the mix to clean things up. It does sound like the receiver provides a full range signal on each of pre-outs, so that's good.

A few pics below:

edit - apparently we can't embed photos from Google, links instead.

https://goo.gl/photos/ScKnWicdcsFirdSx7

https://goo.gl/photos/m3gEiwVFckgZtuf46
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Can you lay out your Tasker commands?

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Can you lay out your Tasker commands?

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Sure!

Basically, you're going to want to create one profile with two tasks (one being an exit task).

I prefer to create my tasks first.

Enter Task
Go to the Tasks tab and click the plus sign. Name your enter task, for example, "Hot Spot On". Click the plus sign to add an action, select "Net", "WiFi Tether", and set to on.

Exit Task
Go to the Tasks tab and click the plus sign. Name your exit task, for example, "Hot Spot Off". Click the plus sign to add an action, select "Net", "WiFi Tether", and set to off.

Profile
Go to the Profile tab and click the plus sign. Select "State" as the first context. Next, select "Net", followed by "BT connected". Under the "Name" heading (where it shows optional) click the magnifying glass and select the Joying BT address.

Add the "Hot Spot On" task for the enter task. Then longpress the "Hot Spot On" task and select the option to add an exit task. Add the "Hot Spot Off" as the exit task.


Now, each time your phone connects to your Joying it will automatically turn on your hot spot. When your connection ends, your hot spot will turn off.
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harrisonrmatt, when using another launcher, how do you switch to bluetooth music? Unlike the other sources (radio, aux, etc) there doesn't appear to be a bluetooth music app. I think it might be built into the oem launcher.
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harrisonrmatt, when using another launcher, how do you switch to bluetooth music? Unlike the other sources (radio, aux, etc) there doesn't appear to be a bluetooth music app. I think it might be built into the oem launcher.
I'm not sure, as I use Play Music exclusively and have all of my playlists downloaded locally. Next time I hop in I'll try to play music through BT and see if I can figure it out.
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1. Do you have steering wheel controles working? If so, can you skip forward/reverse from steering wheel control, for music apps (like Pandora), which to allow you to skip forward to next track?

2. Can you use the uConnect built in microphone easily (ideally no splice)?
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Quick update:

I didn't get a whole lot of time to mess around with the receiver this weekend, but enough to provide some quick feedback.

Power On
I discovered why my unit powered up instantly, and I've decided to turn that feature off until further notice. There is a setting that allows the user to toggle a setting that's called "Dormancy." Basically, it will leave the unit powered on (theoretically in a low-power state) until the ignition is fired again. Pros, you get instant-on and jump right back into whatever music or app you were in when you last turned your ignition off. Cons, there is some degree of power that is being summoned from your battery. Feedback is mixed from what I could dig up on the internet, but it seems for now that it's too risky to leave this setting on and potentially walk out to a dead battery. So, back to the 20-second boot times.

It would be nice if Joying built a battery into the unit that allowed it to draw from for the 'dormancy' feature. Not sure how feasible something like that would be, but if it allowed even for a maximum of 24 hours before the unit shutdown and required a full reboot, that would be great.

Launcher
I'm using Nova Launcher as opposed to the less-than-favorable launcher that comes with the receiver. Everyone has their own preferences, and I prefer a clean screen with quick access to the apps I will use the most during commute.

Data Connectivity
I created a Tasker profile on my phone to turn my hot spot on when I am connected to the Joying Bluetooth. It works as indented and gives me a data connection to my receiver when it's needed, which is not very often. Good for navigation and incoming texts I suppose.

Miscellaneous
  • The button illumination is pretty close to factory. I'm kind of surprised they don't have an RGB option, but it's very close, so no issue with that.
  • As expected, the DSP settings are essentially nonexistent. Joying is allegedly working on adding more robust DSP processing this year. I'll believe it when I see it, and if it does come, I'm pretty confident it will not have the full suite of T/A, L/R EQ, X-over, level, phase, etc. Likely going to add a MiniDSP to the mix to clean things up. It does sound like the receiver provides a full range signal on each of pre-outs, so that's good.

A few pics below:

edit - apparently we can't embed photos from Google, links instead.

https://goo.gl/photos/ScKnWicdcsFirdSx7

https://goo.gl/photos/m3gEiwVFckgZtuf46
Thanks for the review and pictures... I have few questions how does the volume knob response in relation to the volume. Is it responsive as the factory or is there a lag? Did you install the external mic or are you using the built-in mic? The reason I am asking because I am thinking of using the built-in mic.

Thanks again
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Does anyone know if this https://www.amazon.com/PAC-USB-GM1-R.../dp/B016NLD0BA will work with the headunit because i am planning on retaining the OEM USB?
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I use Nokia GO Here APP, but you can pretty much use any app on google play store with success. Nokia Go Here APP has directions and everything, radio will lower when giving out instructions. I use Gaia GPS for TOPO maps. IF you tether your Phone to the Joying Unit you can youse Google Maps like regular...offline stuff I am not sure as my Unit is always online in the Jeep.
Hey Jeepster!

I wonder if you could confirm something for me - are you able to download the DirecTV Now app from the Google Playstore? I'm curious if you get a message that the app is not compatible with that device.
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Does anyone know if this https://www.amazon.com/PAC-USB-GM1-R.../dp/B016NLD0BA will work with the headunit because i am planning on retaining the OEM USB?
In theory that should work, if you remove the Uconnect module from behind the A/C there is a USB plug that wire should connect to and you would attach that to the Joying.



However I found it easier to just run the USB cords to the glove box.

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Hey Jeepster!

I wonder if you could confirm something for me - are you able to download the DirecTV Now app from the Google Playstore? I'm curious if you get a message that the app is not compatible with that device.
I just downloaded it and installed it...got all the way to the "I agree" page.....probably works I do not have a Direct tv account so I couldn't go all the way...

Just to let you know "MOBDRO" APK app works just as good as DirectTV and it's free...download it on your phone and check it out. It's what I use...hundreds of free channels.
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Quick update:

I didn't get a whole lot of time to mess around with the receiver this weekend, but enough to provide some quick feedback.

Power On
I discovered why my unit powered up instantly, and I've decided to turn that feature off until further notice. There is a setting that allows the user to toggle a setting that's called "Dormancy." Basically, it will leave the unit powered on (theoretically in a low-power state) until the ignition is fired again. Pros, you get instant-on and jump right back into whatever music or app you were in when you last turned your ignition off. Cons, there is some degree of power that is being summoned from your battery. Feedback is mixed from what I could dig up on the internet, but it seems for now that it's too risky to leave this setting on and potentially walk out to a dead battery. So, back to the 20-second boot times.

It would be nice if Joying built a battery into the unit that allowed it to draw from for the 'dormancy' feature. Not sure how feasible something like that would be, but if it allowed even for a maximum of 24 hours before the unit shutdown and required a full reboot, that would be great.

Launcher
I'm using Nova Launcher as opposed to the less-than-favorable launcher that comes with the receiver. Everyone has their own preferences, and I prefer a clean screen with quick access to the apps I will use the most during commute.

Data Connectivity
I created a Tasker profile on my phone to turn my hot spot on when I am connected to the Joying Bluetooth. It works as indented and gives me a data connection to my receiver when it's needed, which is not very often. Good for navigation and incoming texts I suppose.

Miscellaneous
  • The button illumination is pretty close to factory. I'm kind of surprised they don't have an RGB option, but it's very close, so no issue with that.
  • As expected, the DSP settings are essentially nonexistent. Joying is allegedly working on adding more robust DSP processing this year. I'll believe it when I see it, and if it does come, I'm pretty confident it will not have the full suite of T/A, L/R EQ, X-over, level, phase, etc. Likely going to add a MiniDSP to the mix to clean things up. It does sound like the receiver provides a full range signal on each of pre-outs, so that's good.

A few pics below:

edit - apparently we can't embed photos from Google, links instead.

https://goo.gl/photos/ScKnWicdcsFirdSx7

https://goo.gl/photos/m3gEiwVFckgZtuf46
Can you guide me where i can find that setting responsible for instant turn on "Dormancy"?

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Joying sent me a modified version of the update which resolved my screen issue.

After that was fixed, I took the time to test the power usage of the head unit with dormancy enabled and disabled.

In both configurations, it draws about 0.6 Amps for a minute or so, which appears to be a "powering down" state. With dormancy mode disabled the HU draws basically nothing (my DMM read 0.00) after "powering down". What was really interesting though, is that with dormancy enabled (default setting), it only draws 0.01 Amps!

I'm going to keep dormancy enabled, a power draw that low doesn't bother me at all.
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Glad to hear they fixed your screen issue.

Also good to see the power tests, that falls in line with what people at XDA have found as well

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Joying sent me a modified version of the update which resolved my screen issue.

After that was fixed, I took the time to test the power usage of the head unit with dormancy enabled and disabled.

In both configurations, it draws about 0.6 Amps for a minute or so, which appears to be a "powering down" state. With dormancy mode disabled the HU draws basically nothing (my DMM read 0.00) after "powering down". What was really interesting though, is that with dormancy enabled (default setting), it only draws 0.01 Amps!

I'm going to keep dormancy enabled, a power draw that low doesn't bother me at all.
.01 amp/sec and multiplying that by 60sec you would get 0.6A/min
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Sure!

Basically, you're going to want to create one profile with two tasks (one being an exit task).

I prefer to create my tasks first.

Enter Task
Go to the Tasks tab and click the plus sign. Name your enter task, for example, "Hot Spot On". Click the plus sign to add an action, select "Net", "WiFi Tether", and set to on.

Exit Task
Go to the Tasks tab and click the plus sign. Name your exit task, for example, "Hot Spot Off". Click the plus sign to add an action, select "Net", "WiFi Tether", and set to off.

Profile
Go to the Profile tab and click the plus sign. Select "State" as the first context. Next, select "Net", followed by "BT connected". Under the "Name" heading (where it shows optional) click the magnifying glass and select the Joying BT address.

Add the "Hot Spot On" task for the enter task. Then longpress the "Hot Spot On" task and select the option to add an exit task. Add the "Hot Spot Off" as the exit task.


Now, each time your phone connects to your Joying it will automatically turn on your hot spot. When your connection ends, your hot spot will turn off.
Thanks for the very detailed directions. Just set it up, will report back if it worked
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Thanks for the very detailed directions. Just set it up, will report back if it worked
Does your phone have to be rooted?

It showed it recognized the Joying connection, but did not turn on the Hotspot



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I just downloaded it and installed it...got all the way to the "I agree" page.....probably works I do not have a Direct tv account so I couldn't go all the way...

Just to let you know "MOBDRO" APK app works just as good as DirectTV and it's free...download it on your phone and check it out. It's what I use...hundreds of free channels.
Awesome, thanks!
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.01 amp/sec and multiplying that by 60sec you would get 0.6A/min
That's not really a useful metric. A measurement of 0.01 amps means that a battery with 0.01 amp hours can power the device for 1 hour.

In my case, I have an Odyssey Extreme battery with 68 Ah, which means if the head unit was the only draw the battery could run it for up to 283 days in dormancy mode.
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harrisonrmatt, when using another launcher, how do you switch to bluetooth music? Unlike the other sources (radio, aux, etc) there doesn't appear to be a bluetooth music app. I think it might be built into the oem launcher.
Unfortunately, you have to switch back to the other launcher. It seems as if the BT app is baked into the Joying launcher. I didnít mess with it too much to see if there was another way, but I couldnít think of one.

Not an issue for me, but that could deter others from installing a 3rd party launcher.

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1. Do you have steering wheel controles working? If so, can you skip forward/reverse from steering wheel control, for music apps (like Pandora), which to allow you to skip forward to next track?

2. Can you use the uConnect built in microphone easily (ideally no splice)?
I just ran the mic separately to the same area where the factory mic is. Looks like you may have found a way, but it wasnít worth pursuing for me as Iím rarely on the phone in the car for any extended period of time.

Steering wheel control work for me when using BT or Google Play Music on the receiver itself. Havenít tested with any other apps as thatís all I use.

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Thanks for the review and pictures... I have few questions how does the volume knob response in relation to the volume. Is it responsive as the factory or is there a lag? Did you install the external mic or are you using the built-in mic? The reason I am asking because I am thinking of using the built-in mic.

Thanks again
Volume knob does control the volume (was that what you were asking?). It has a very slight lag, but nothing to be concerned about. Split second, not like a second or two. The steering wheel control volume does have a slightly longer lag, maybe a second.

I installed the external mic that came with it. I havenít tested the internal mic or external. For a few extra minutes of time, I would install the external as it comes with it.

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Can you guide me where i can find that setting responsible for instant turn on "Dormancy"?

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Itís the first option when you get into the password-protected menu setting.

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Joying sent me a modified version of the update which resolved my screen issue.

After that was fixed, I took the time to test the power usage of the head unit with dormancy enabled and disabled.

In both configurations, it draws about 0.6 Amps for a minute or so, which appears to be a "powering down" state. With dormancy mode disabled the HU draws basically nothing (my DMM read 0.00) after "powering down". What was really interesting though, is that with dormancy enabled (default setting), it only draws 0.01 Amps!

I'm going to keep dormancy enabled, a power draw that low doesn't bother me at all.
I need to do some more reading on this to see what the affects can be. I had it on for a week without any issues, but I have read stories about dead batteries with folks who have this enabled. Iím also concerned that if I leave my car at the airport for a week, that I will land to find I have a dead battery.

Also, we have to trust that in its dormancy state, there wonít be any spikes of power draw. Basically, do you trust the engineers at Joying enough to assume nothing weird will happen with this feature enabled.

Probably not a major risk, but (to me at least) still a risk.

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Does your phone have to be rooted?

It showed it recognized the Joying connection, but did not turn on the Hotspot



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My phone is not rooted. I have a Nexus 5X on Project Fi, and I know there arenít any limitations with using the tether feature to create a hot spot. I think some carriers do have some limitations, so that may be the hurdle youíre running into.

In the event this feature does eventually work, or for others, you may want to add a second component to the exit task to turn WiFi on. I have mine on all the time, however when the hot spot is enabled it disables WiFi, and when the hot spot is disabled, WiFi remains disabled. Just a simple add on task to the exit task for the profile.


I did successfully use my hot spot yesterday to utilize the navigation in Google Maps (from the Joying unit) to navigate home from work. It functioned as advertised.
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My phone is a Moto Z Force Droid on Verizon, it is not rooted, but I can manually turn the Hotspot on any time with no restrictions.

However I have not got any of these auto Hotspot apps to work

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My phone is a Moto Z Force Droid on Verizon, it is not rooted, but I can manually turn the Hotspot on any time with no restrictions.

However I have not got any of these auto Hotspot apps to work

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Hmm. I would try Googling "tasker tether Moto Z Force" and see if you can get some guidance. Outside of that, I'm not sure I'll be of much use.
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Someone asked about BT music. Are they trying to stream from their phone? If so the app on the head unit called A2DP should be the streaming Bluetooth app.
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So at the end of the day, is this thing worth $300?
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So at the end of the day, is this thing worth $300?
For me, it is. Itís basically a tablet in your dash.

My progression has been the 130 with the Alpine system, to a Pioneer AVH X2800BS with an external amp and speakers, to the Joying with the same amp/speakers.

What I required when upgrading from the 130 was the following:

Stock or factory appearance (as I run with the doors/top off as often as possible);
Analog volume knob;
Pre-outs for external amplification.

The Pioneer did not have the analog volume knob, which I thought Iíd be okay with, considering it had built-in DSP, including crossover, level, time alignment, and EQ. The crossovers were limited for how I have my speakers set up, but it sufficed. DSP is critical for my setup.

I really missed the volume knob. Also, like most head units, the interfaces seem to never get any refresh or update. They all look like something out of the 90ís, as did the Pioneer.

I was intrigued by the Joying because of the price, the ability to utilize Google Play Music with the ability to download all of my music and playlists locally, Google Maps/Navigation, and the same three bullets above. Even with the additional costs of an external DSP (which will give me much more control that anything that would come built into a receiver), I still think itís a bargain.

My biggest gripe is now the cold start time of about 20-30 seconds. I still think the risk is too high to use that dormancy feature. My hope is Joying finds a way to build in a battery into the unit (as of now they only occupy one din of space behind the screen, so in theory you could fit a rather large battery back there), and utilize that as the source of dormancy power. Even if it only allowed for 24 hours of dormancy, that would cover most people for most days out of the year.
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What DSP do you have? I did not turn off dormancy and it is pretty awesome to have it almost immediately available

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What DSP do you have? I did not turn off dormancy and it is pretty awesome to have it almost immediately available

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Agreed, that dormancy feature is pretty fantastic. Let us know if you ever have any issues with it... maybe after a few weeks or so I'll muster up the courage to enable it. My fear is leaving it enabled when I leave my car at the airport for a week and coming back late at night to find my battery is dead.

I want to do a little more reading around the web (most likely XDA, as that seems to be where most of the discussion is regarding these Joying units) to see what the feedback is on this feature. Iím actually pretty surprised it comes enabled from the factory.

I'm currently running no DSP, and it's very noticeable after coming from the processing that the Pioneer had. I'll likely grab the miniDSP 6x8, as that is basically everything you could ask for when it comes to processing.

https://www.minidsp.com/products/min...-box/c-dsp-6x8

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