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Old 03-07-2014, 01:06 PM   #1
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Lift, Tires, Etc. Thoughts

I currently have a 98 TJ. Just when I figured out the idiosyncrasies of the TJ, I decided to buy a new 2014 JKU Sport in a few weeks. I've been reading, searching and researching what I wanted to do. I've never had the money to get a new vehicle and make it my own but I do know.

I'm your typical 95% DD 5% offroad kind of guy. Mostly two tracks, dirt roads, no serious rocks or mud, but I want to do this right. I could probably do a BB but I a 2.5 inch coils just aren't that much more and will hopefully enhance ride. I'll be sure to get the 3.73s and I'll probably end up with an auto trans. Probably won't run a winch but will upgrade to after market bumpers but I'm a minimalist there so no giant full width with bull bars and all that.

So here's what I'm thinking:

TF 2.5 coils, no shocks but not the extensions either so I get the beefy track bar bracket.

Probably Rancho 9000s

Alloy 4.5 BS black wheels, probably 16s

315/75/16 Duratracs to save money over the 17's

Superchips Flashcal to adjust everything

Probably secure a front track bar at some point as well.

Anything else to get the new rig fitted with bigger tires and a lift? Am I missing something. Thoughts on alternatives? I want to start budgeting now and acquire all the bits and pieces before summer. Then my 16 and 18 year old sons can do all the hard work. I've got the tools and know how but I'm old and they're not.

Appreciate any advice.

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I like your thoughts on the labor!

I know many like the TF lift kit and it is indeed a quality kit. Rancho currently has a great rebate on their kits. Maybe a 3" Trail kit with the 9000s (with a $400 rebate!)? It comes with a new front trackbar and a rear trackbar bracket.

With those wheels and tires you'll want to consider a bumper tire carrier or the TF Hinged carrier if you are getting all 5.

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I currently have a 98 TJ. Just when I figured out the idiosyncrasies of the TJ, I decided to buy a new 2014 JKU Sport in a few weeks. I've been reading, searching and researching what I wanted to do. I've never had the money to get a new vehicle and make it my own but I do know.

I'm your typical 95% DD 5% offroad kind of guy. Mostly two tracks, dirt roads, no serious rocks or mud, but I want to do this right. I could probably do a BB but I a 2.5 inch coils just aren't that much more and will hopefully enhance ride. I'll be sure to get the 3.73s and I'll probably end up with an auto trans. Probably won't run a winch but will upgrade to after market bumpers but I'm a minimalist there so no giant full width with bull bars and all that.

So here's what I'm thinking:

TF 2.5 coils, no shocks but not the extensions either so I get the beefy track bar bracket.

Probably Rancho 9000s

Alloy 4.5 BS black wheels, probably 16s

315/75/16 Duratracs to save money over the 17's

Superchips Flashcal to adjust everything

Probably secure a front track bar at some point as well.

Anything else to get the new rig fitted with bigger tires and a lift? Am I missing something. Thoughts on alternatives? I want to start budgeting now and acquire all the bits and pieces before summer. Then my 16 and 18 year old sons can do all the hard work. I've got the tools and know how but I'm old and they're not.

Appreciate any advice.
It sounds like a pretty good list to me! I think you'll be happy with the ride having the Rancho's. And the Teraflex 2.5" Lift Kit is quality. Even if 3.73's you might be really bogged down with 35's since you're thinking about an auto. Just something to consider.

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Thanks. Yeah, the TF hinge was part of the plan too though I didn't mention it. Not really interested in the whole swing away carrier thing.

I'll look at the Rancho kit. I also considered the Rancho kit with the front springs and rear pucks but I'm not sure I get much from that other than a lift. No better ride, handling or articulation. I don't do a lot of technical wheeling but keeping the wheels on the ground can't be bad.

I've read far too much about the 3.73s and 35s. The RPM charts seem to indicate the automatic is pretty close to the mid (green) range. I know autos act a bit differently than a manual but I don't need super slow crawl speeds. Obviously, no one can tell me whether I'll like that combo and I won't know until I've tried it. I'm upgrading from a 190 HP TJ on 31's so it's not as if I've got a lot of power at my disposal now. From what I've read, I think I can live with it and if not, I'll throw in some 4.10s and still be well under the cost of a Rubi.
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I know many like the TF lift kit and it is indeed a quality kit. Rancho currently has a great rebate on their kits. Maybe a 3" Trail kit with the 9000s (with a $400 rebate!)? It comes with a new front trackbar and a rear trackbar bracket.
I looked at that kit. About $1200 with the exhaust extension but a $300 rebate. I'm just worried the 3-inch lift might be more like 4 inches and I'll begin to see DS issues. I'll do some research but if anyone has any experience, I'd love to hear it. Looks like a great deal for around $900 including the track bar and 9000s.
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I've got an 07 with the 4.10 with 35s and have been very pleased with my setup. I got the flashpaq and have been running the 93 setting and the Jeep is much more responsive than before.

Good luck and have fun with it all, no matter what you choose!
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Exact kit I put together for people looking for a simple setup that rides nice.
The rear track bar bracket is key IMO.
Maybe you can work a deal on a front adjustable TB. Also include the Northridge 9/16 bolt kit.

Nice setup. A lot of people run it
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Yeah, talk me out of the Rancho lift. Unless I'll need a new DS the day after I put it on, it's the least expensive with rebates (Rancho:$780, RK:$890, AEV: $960, TF: $970, all Quadratec pricing). That's the lift, shocks, track bars, if not included, and rebates for kits and the 9000 shocks as applicable. The Rancho is the most complete kit with front brakelines and track bar included and $110 to $190 cheaper than the others. For what I plant to do, I probably wouldn't realize the benefit of progressive rate springs anyway. I doubt the drive shaft will be a problem since I won't even run discos and the lift sounds like it will settle about half an inch.

The others might have fancier springs but the Rancho with the rebate is hard to beat. ON draw back is the rear track bar relocation bracket looks a bit anemic but again, for what I do offroad, will it matter?
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You drive a 4 door ? I wouldn't worry about height. The 2 door guys see more lift.

Rancho and TF coils are both linear. MC and AEV and RK are progressive/dual/triple rates.
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You drive a 4 door ? I wouldn't worry about height. The 2 door guys see more lift.

Rancho and TF coils are both linear. MC and AEV and RK are progressive/dual/triple rates.
It will be a four door. You're right, I believe, the TF is linear. After seeing some threads on the Rancho lift and their customer service, I'd be getting a first rate product and great CS for a lot less money. Amazon pricing, the shocks, the lift and the exhaust kit, $677 after rebate! That's flat freakin awesome.

Throw on some Duratracs and Pro Comp 7089s and all shipped free with Prime and Nevada sales tax (no mounting, balancing, etc.) it all comes to about $2730-ish. Can't beat that with a stick!
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It will be a four door. You're right, I believe, the TF is linear. After seeing some threads on the Rancho lift and their customer service, I'd be getting a first rate product and great CS for a lot less money. Amazon pricing, the shocks, the lift and the exhaust kit, $677 after rebate! That's flat freakin awesome. Throw on some Duratracs and Pro Comp 7089s and all shipped free with Prime and Nevada sales tax (no mounting, balancing, etc.) it all comes to about $2730-ish. Can't beat that with a stick!
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It's good to hear you know your wants and not necessarily overbuying. Just give those teenagers some tools, instructions, and time and you'll be set. I think that Rancho rebate goes to June so no rush to pull the trigger if you need to save some $$.

Btw - the teraflex videos on lift installation are VERY helpful if you or they have never done one before. Check out the 2.5" lift install video on YouTube and it will familiarize you with the general steps. Rancho will be different, but print off their install instructions for the kit you buy and you'll be all set.
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It's good to hear you know your wants and not necessarily overbuying. Just give those teenagers some tools, instructions, and time and you'll be set. I think that Rancho rebate goes to June so no rush to pull the trigger if you need to save some $$.

Btw - the teraflex videos on lift installation are VERY helpful if you or they have never done one before. Check out the 2.5" lift install video on YouTube and it will familiarize you with the general steps. Rancho will be different, but print off their install instructions for the kit you buy and you'll be all set.
Yeah! Loosen that bolt, no, that one, no, that one...yeah, the one you have to be a contortionist to reach. When you're done, get me another beer and a sandwich.

I learned a while back that lots of forum members are hardcore off-roaders and they come at you from that perspective. Nothing wrong with that but I'm not one of them. It's easy to get caught up in building some rock crawling beast and spending thousands of dollars for stuff you'll never use. 80% of the places I go I could take a car and another 18% in a stock Jeep. Once in a while I need to clear a big rock or crawl through a bad section but not often. I'm can admit I like the look of a lifted Wrangler with big tires and fancy bumpers and all that but that I don't need the lockers, winches, etc. I just want my Jeep to take me fishing and exploring and look BA doing so.
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I have a 2013 jku sport with automatic and 3.73 gears. The 4.5 lift and 35s runs great but only after you calibrate the speedometer. I didn't think there was much of a difference until I used the procal. New gears are not necessary for you purpose.
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I currently have a 98 TJ. Just when I figured out the idiosyncrasies of the TJ, I decided to buy a new 2014 JKU Sport in a few weeks. I've been reading, searching and researching what I wanted to do. I've never had the money to get a new vehicle and make it my own but I do know.

I'm your typical 95% DD 5% offroad kind of guy. Mostly two tracks, dirt roads, no serious rocks or mud, but I want to do this right. I could probably do a BB but I a 2.5 inch coils just aren't that much more and will hopefully enhance ride. I'll be sure to get the 3.73s and I'll probably end up with an auto trans. Probably won't run a winch but will upgrade to after market bumpers but I'm a minimalist there so no giant full width with bull bars and all that.

So here's what I'm thinking:

TF 2.5 coils, no shocks but not the extensions either so I get the beefy track bar bracket.

Probably Rancho 9000s

Alloy 4.5 BS black wheels, probably 16s

315/75/16 Duratracs to save money over the 17's

Superchips Flashcal to adjust everything

Probably secure a front track bar at some point as well.

Anything else to get the new rig fitted with bigger tires and a lift? Am I missing something. Thoughts on alternatives? I want to start budgeting now and acquire all the bits and pieces before summer. Then my 16 and 18 year old sons can do all the hard work. I've got the tools and know how but I'm old and they're not.

Appreciate any advice.
Your plan is sound...the 3.73s will (in my opinion) be a bit sluggish with 35s, but you can always regear if you are not happy. I would definitely get a trackbar right away with a 2.5" lift, and also the upgraded shouldered bolt kit.

Having said all that, if you are looking for 95% DD with some dirt tracks, consider a 1-1.5" lift (a teraflex coil leveling kit for example) with 15" wheels and 33x1250 duratracs is also an excellent setup. Comfortable, reliable, and looks great.

Thats the setup I had on my last rig, and the setup you describe is what Im running on my new rig. Take a look at this thread, you'll see both my jeeps.

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Yeah! Loosen that bolt, no, that one, no, that one...yeah, the one you have to be a contortionist to reach. When you're done, get me another beer and a sandwich.
Bingo! I would do the same except my 7 year old is only capable of handing me wrenches and sockets at the moment.
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Bingo! I would do the same except my 7 year old is only capable of handing me wrenches and sockets at the moment.
I remember that. Hand me that wrench, no, that's a screwdriver, that shiny one, no, that's a hacksaw, yeah, that one. Now go get me a beer and tell your mom I need a sandwich.

Well, maybe not that last part
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Having said all that, if you are looking for 95% DD with some dirt tracks, consider a 1-1.5" lift (a teraflex coil leveling kit for example) with 15" wheels and 33x1250 duratracs is also an excellent setup. Comfortable, reliable, and looks great.
Perish the thought!

Reading your thread. Nice Jeep. Well, see about the 3.73s. Seems a lot of guys think they are dogs with the 35s but others don't mind at all. You had me looking at a Rubi for a minute but the extra $5000 just isn't worth it to me. I've never had a locker, just the stock LSD in my TJ and I'm happy. The rest, springs, shocks, wheels, etc. would all come off anyway.
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Its good to see someone did some research before they came in an just asked a million question with no knowledge on the subject. Your plan is sound an straight forward an either lift you choose will work for your purposes.
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Its good to see someone did some research before they came in an just asked a million question with no knowledge on the subject. Your plan is sound an straight forward an either lift you choose will work for your purposes.
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Its good to see someone did some research before they came in an just asked a million question with no knowledge on the subject. Your plan is sound an straight forward an either lift you choose will work for your purposes.
That's what I want to hear. Reading and digesting all this stuff is one thing but sometimes you miss something. Like the $600 TF HD hinge so my rear door doesn't fall off when I throw that 35 on it. Added that to the buy list for the lift. Now I just need to go get a Jeep.

They have one on the lot at my local dealer, exactly what I want. But I leave for a vacation on Friday and I can't squeeze buying a new Jeep in between now an then. Hopefully it will be there when I return. It's been there for a couple of weeks at least already. If not, I'm sure they can find me one or maybe I'll order one. We'll see.
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I got the TF hinge as well. If you want to save $200, get it without the adjustable carrier since you won't be off-road much.

Also, I've seen a number of people email multiple dealerships requesting their best offer on a particular model on their lot and state they are doing that. Many get great prices without haggling - even under invoice sometimes. You could manage that process while out of town. :-)
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You could manage that process while out of town. :-)
I'm going to be in Jamaica. Not likely. I can wait.

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