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Old 01-11-2014, 11:23 AM   #1
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So, I'm almost all ready to get this thing lifted... My buddy was gonna lift it for me but I was just curious how hard it would be to do it yourself rather than have some one else do it if you've never worked on a car before besides change a tire? I mean I'd have to buy tools obviously but if I did that, would it be very difficult to do yourself? I don't care how long it takes, I'm really in no rush to get it done. I just thought having a project and working it out would kind of give me something to do/learn.

Changing the gear ratio, I'd definitely have him do, and then the driveline... but the lift itself? I barely learned how to change my own oil and that's about the extent of my car knowledge...

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You should be able to handle it but i wouldn't do it alone. If you have never done anything besides changing a tire i would suggest having somebody more knowledgeable guide you along but you actually do the work.

Directions are not always clear and things can get confusef and misunderstood. Best to have a little help the first time around.

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+1.. Depending on the lift being installed, it can be real easy and just a couple hours work even by yourself. But, you do need a good understanding of what your doing before starting.
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So, I'm almost all ready to get this thing lifted... My buddy was gonna lift it for me but I was just curious how hard it would be to do it yourself rather than have some one else do it if you've never worked on a car before besides change a tire? I mean I'd have to buy tools obviously but if I did that, would it be very difficult to do yourself? I don't care how long it takes, I'm really in no rush to get it done. I just thought having a project and working it out would kind of give me something to do/learn. Changing the gear ratio, I'd definitely have him do, and then the driveline... but the lift itself? I barely learned how to change my own oil and that's about the extent of my car knowledge...
Well I was like you few months ago, wondering whether I can do the lift by myself. With lot of encouragement from forum members, I did install AEV 2.5 " lift with GEO correction bracket all by myself. It only took about 30hrs starched over the weekend (including multiple trips to Autozone and harbor fright) lol! But came out good and so proud of myself!!! Good luck! Read forum write ups and YouTube install videos. Good luck!
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I did the RK 2.5" X-Factor in my driveway by myself. Would've been nice to have help but timing with their jobs didn't help . Took me two full days to finish.
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Tulare... getting my buddy to help wouldn't be a problem if I needed it. He's put on plenty... just not jeep lifts. But he's done everything else. He was just kind of excited about doing it with his other car buddy though. I was gonna pay him of course but... I was thinking maybe I could just do it myself and learn something. I thought about hanging out over there and maybe helpin out but I don't wanna get in the way... so maybe just do it myself instead... and he could help if I needed it.
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What lift are you planning on putting on?
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I'll be doing the same this Spring. The nice thing is the money you'd save on installation you can use for a great toolset, if you don't already have the tools. I plan on doing the lift, the exhaust and a cold air intake. Good luck!
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As long as you have the right tools, doing it yourself is no big deal. Especially if you give yourself plenty of time. I did mine in the garage and found the hardest thing was torquing down a few of the bolts. It would have been nice to have someone hold the wrench on the bolt side . Don't forget if you run into any issues this forum is a huge help!
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What lift are you planning on putting on?
I've got a Fabtech 5in short arm kit with MX6 shocks... I'll probably change the shocks out later but that's what came with it.
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Haven't heard much about Fabtech. Couldn't tell if the kit came with Track Bars or just relocation brackets. If brackets you're going to want to weld them. Make sure you've got a wrench large enough to torque the jam nuts and a torque wrench that'll go to 125 ft lbs. Otherwise seems a straightforward install. Here's some pics from my install.
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Utilizing the factory link arm mounts Fabtech offers a 5" Short Arm system that features heavy wall 5/16" thick links with rotational urethane ends for unrestricted movement. These heavy duty links feature adjustable ends to dial in caster and pinion angles. System includes front upper and lower links while the rear receives lower links only. Lift is accomplished with replacement coil springs that have a slightly higher spring rate over factory while retaining flexibility for offroad use. The front Trac Bar is relocated keeping the arc of travel uniform to the drag link angle with included dropped pitman arm. The relationship of the Trac Bar and drag link is critical in providing bump steer free driving. The rear Trac Bar is also relocated keeping the axle located under the vehicle for proper front and rear axle tracking. Fabtech offers heavy duty replacement driveshafts to be used with this system for maximum driveline reliability. Extended length bump stop brackets, sway bar links and brake line brackets finish off this excellent performing system.


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1 FTS24081BK Component Box
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5 Short Arm System w/ Performance Shocks - 2007-14 Jeep JK 4WD

Instructions here. Read through them and see if you have what it takes. I would tackle the job yourself. The confindence you will gain for doing so will be wonderful. Plus you always have your buddy and the great forum members here.

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After reading the instructions, you will need a welder and the skill to use it. So you are going to have to inlist your bud to do that part at least. DO NOT forget the really quality jack stands.

Have fun and learn all you can.

Edit: You may want to get an adjustable track bar that will work for that lift height and not weld up the new bracket on the axle. You could always sell it off to help recover costs.
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I have to agree with having the right tools first. That makes life so much easier with an install like this. I went with a Rusty's Offroad Advance kit for my 2011 JKU. It came with everything and was completely bolt in. No welding. It had adjustable track bars front and rear, extended steel braided brake lines, new shocks and quick disconnects for the front. The only thing I didn't like were the instructions, they sucked. The install took me two days, but I did everything by myself. Take your time deciding which kit to get and do a lot of research. Many kits "save you money" by using extended brackets for everything. Just me, but I don't trust parts like that. Good luck with your build.
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Haven't heard much about Fabtech. Couldn't tell if the kit came with Track Bars or just relocation brackets. If brackets you're going to want to weld them. Make sure you've got a wrench large enough to torque the jam nuts and a torque wrench that'll go to 125 ft lbs. Otherwise seems a straightforward install. Here's some pics from my install.
I do the same as you...put the wheels under the frame as an extra safety measure.
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I did mine in my brothers garage over the course of a few days. My automotive experience was very low, but this forum, YouTube, and calls to the company were extremely helpful! This photo also helped me a lot to know what was what!

I installed a Metalcloak 3.5" game changer with 6-Pak shocks as well.

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I installed mine. If you don't have the tools you may not save anything having to get but the experience will be invaluable. There are a lot of resources online to help.
The only thing I will add is choose a suspension company that has support. Call them before you buy anything and ask questions about the install.
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First and foremost, my concern lies with safety.
There are a lot of things to know about torque specs and such.
Loctite, the correct way to put the Jeep on jack stands, where to jack it up.
If you aren't careful and make a simple mistake, you could end up seriously injured or dead.
Not only that, you could improperly install something, over torque a bolt, who knows.
End up having a failure on the highway and not only putting yourself in harms way, but the lives of others. Its serious business.

I started out the same way you did, having a few buddies that liked to wheel and few buddies that pretended to be mechanics. I was 15 with no experience, but also had no money. So when I broke something on my TJ, I dove head first into the project. Luckily I had some good friends to show me the ropes and this forum always here to help troubleshoot.

My biggest mistake as a beginner.

I TORQUED THE LUGNUTS (BOLTS THAT HOLD THE WHEEL ON) WHILE THE CAR WAS STILL ON JACKSTANDS WITH TIRES IN THE AIR AND FORGOT TO FINISH ONCE THEY WERE ON THE GROUND. MY WHEEL FLEW OFF A DAY LATER WHILE I WAS GOING 35 MPH DRIVING THROUGH THE CITY! VERY VERY STUPID MISTAKE I MADE.

IF YOU DO NOT TORQUE THE WHEELS TO !!!PROPER SPEC WHILE ON THE GROUND!!!
YOUR WHEEL MAY COME FLYING OFF.

We all learn some way and I'm glad to see you are taking this approach. I just wanted to address the safety issue very boldly and clearly. Without proper tools and a decent amount of knowledge, things can and will go wrong at some point or another.

On a happier not, good luck with the kit and keep on truckin
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5"? Holy crap, what tires are you planning on 40's?
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I've got a Fabtech 5in short arm kit with MX6 shocks... I'll probably change the shocks out later but that's what came with it.
It makes no sense not to do the shocks when you do the lift. You have to disconnect the lower shock bolts anyway, so it's just a matter of doing the top. Besides that you are installing a 5" lift, which is pretty drastic on a JK. Your stock shocks will not work.
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It makes no sense not to do the shocks when you do the lift. You have to disconnect the lower shock bolts anyway, so it's just a matter of doing the top. Besides that you are installing a 5" lift, which is pretty drastic on a JK. Your stock shocks will not work.
This. Plus it shouldn't be much more time to hook up the shocks especially when you already have it taken apart
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5"? Holy crap, what tires are you planning on 40's?
Agreed- that's a LOT of lift that will come with serious geometry / drive line issues. Have you thought that through already? No offense- just trying to help out.
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5"? Holy crap, what tires are you planning on 40's?
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Holy stepladder batman! That's a lot of lift.

If that's what you want, that's cool, but I hope you bought the driveshafts. Also, post pics.
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Prepare for driveshafts. 5" it's also impossible to find a happy balance between Caster (good handling) and pinion (driveshaft angle)

Possible bumpsteer without a high steer kit of some sort.
Edit: the kit does offer a drop pitman arm which I would not recommend to anybody. Then it goes on to talk about track bar relocation. Assuming the track bars are dropped which does nothing for "roll center"

Just being honest. Like most will tell you. 5" is absolute overkill on a Jk 35's will fit with some trimming. I've see 40's with 2-3", a 1" BL and trimming. That's crazy man ... Hope all ends well
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It makes no sense not to do the shocks when you do the lift. You have to disconnect the lower shock bolts anyway, so it's just a matter of doing the top. Besides that you are installing a 5" lift, which is pretty drastic on a JK. Your stock shocks will not work.
No, I was saying I was gonna put them on, just may end up changing them out (again) later if I don't like them. I don't really know anything about MX6 shocks, it's just what came with the lift. I figured rather than buy new ones, just use those up and if I don't like em, can always buy others later.

ANYWAY, yeah I knew I was gonna get a lot of flak for the 5" lift xD I don't think it looks so bad. I'll post pictures whether I do it myself or not. I already know about the drive shaft issue. If I have problems, I'll let ya know. I was ok with the lift cause I knew he'd be putting it on. He's got a 14" lift on his truck in his back yard. Now that I'm looking at doing it myself, I do wish I got a smaller lift. But oh well. I think it'll look pretty cool... maybe overkill but...
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Prepare for driveshafts. 5" it's also impossible to find a happy balance between Caster (good handling) and pinion (driveshaft angle)

Possible bumpsteer without a high steer kit of some sort.
Edit: the kit does offer a drop pitman arm which I would not recommend to anybody. Then it goes on to talk about track bar relocation. Assuming the track bars are dropped which does nothing for "roll center"

Just being honest. Like most will tell you. 5" is absolute overkill on a Jk 35's will fit with some trimming. I've see 40's with 2-3", a 1" BL and trimming. That's crazy man ... Hope all ends well
You'll have to cut the C's off the front axle and weld them at a different angle if you want a good pinion angle and good caster. It's really not that big of a deal if you're careful and think very clearly about it before doing it. There's only a very small weld attaching them, grind it off and turn em and re-weld...

Change your pinion angles EVEN IF you use stock driveshafts.

I really wouldnt lift more than 3 inches unless youre ready to do a lot of work, and totally re-engineer the suspension yourself. The lift kit companies don't care about much other than looks a lot of times, and you'll pay a very pretty penny for allllll the parts
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If you can turn a wrench you can do the lift. Watch your brake lines carefully as well as the wires for wheel sensors. With a 5" lift extended brake lines should be on your list.
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No, I was saying I was gonna put them on, just may end up changing them out (again) later if I don't like them. I don't really know anything about MX6 shocks, it's just what came with the lift. I figured rather than buy new ones, just use those up and if I don't like em, can always buy others later.

ANYWAY, yeah I knew I was gonna get a lot of flak for the 5" lift xD I don't think it looks so bad. I'll post pictures whether I do it myself or not. I already know about the drive shaft issue. If I have problems, I'll let ya know. I was ok with the lift cause I knew he'd be putting it on. He's got a 14" lift on his truck in his back yard. Now that I'm looking at doing it myself, I do wish I got a smaller lift. But oh well. I think it'll look pretty cool... maybe overkill but...
If you're totally serious about this 5" lift, I would suggest going with a 6" long arm lift. The long arm lift will ride a lot better.
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