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Old 02-06-2014, 08:42 AM   #1
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Line-X & Herculiner Questions

I know that there are a bunch of threads on blacked out grills. I went to my local shop today and was talking to the guy about doing my grill. When I looked at the line x it seemed very shiny. He said that he could add a flattener to it to take the shine out an give it a flat black appearance. Has anyone done this with the line x flattener? If so how does the color hold up, cause he said he hasn't done a lot of flattening. Thanks

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Old 02-07-2014, 05:22 AM   #2
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Why don't you use plasti dip? I bought a can to do the jeep logo on the grill an the trail rated badge of the fender. That way I you decide you don't like it you can peel it off. I can help if you need it.

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Old 02-07-2014, 06:40 AM   #3
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I'm just a little concerned about the plasti dip and the longevity. You know how love bug season is here and sometimes you really have to scrub them. I kinda like the textured look of the bed liner and the line X guy is going to take good care of me.
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The good thing about dip is that you can find out if you really like the black grill on your jeep for $6. I'm thinking I do! Will probably get it lined, or do it myself if and when the dip starts to fail...
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I know that there are a bunch of threads on blacked out grills. I went to my local shop today and was talking to the guy about doing my grill. When I looked at the line x it seemed very shiny. He said that he could add a flattener to it to take the shine out an give it a flat black appearance. Has anyone done this with the line x flattener? If so how does the color hold up, cause he said he hasn't done a lot of flattening. Thanks
Personally, I would not go with 100% flat, you end up with "grease" issues. Means "any" grease (303, Amor All, Tire New, insects, even from your hands) you get on the flat/matte are very hard to fully remove.
A satin/matte sheen, around 20-40% sheen is much more tolerant here and is still far away from any gloss.
Much is personal taste, but I you like the flat/matte look, go anywhere from 20-40% sheen level. Ask the Line-X shop to do a small sample!

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Old 02-09-2014, 04:01 AM   #6
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... another note(s), I would ask the applicator to spray with a small nozzle, that way the structure will be rather fine, like in the picture here. Unless of course you prefer the thick more clumsy look. Personal taste! One more thing, UV protector! Line-x does not automatically come with it. If you want it, they must spray/coat it additionally... and if you select a black with a satin/matte sheen level it could look more like a anthracite, instead of deep black...

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Old 02-09-2014, 06:59 AM   #7
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Thanks for the info I appreciate it. I'm looking for that thin look. I am looking for the thin look like Terrasol described especially being that it is the grill. I still want it to look clean and somewhat smooth if that makes sense. I will talk to the guy guy about the sheen. Thanks again!
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Old 02-09-2014, 07:04 AM   #8
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WOW I jacked up that post. I should probably proof it before I hit send.
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Old 02-09-2014, 07:44 AM   #9
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Have you thought about hat painting it black with a flat clear coat? Might be cheaper and definitely more predictable how it will turn out.
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I originally used Plasti Dip on mine. It just so happened to be right before love bug season. After love bug season, I tried to clean it off, but they stuck to the rubber pretty good. So I just peeled it all off and resprayed it. Took less time than trying to clean. I have since painted it with Dupli Color Bed liner. I have a Wild Boar Grille inbound and will be spraying it with the DupliColor Bed liner too.
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Old 02-09-2014, 04:35 PM   #11
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Yeah I have given it a lot of thought, and I think I'm just going to go with the Line X. For the price he is charging I don't think I can I wrong. I'm definitely going going to have him test It out Til we get the color and sheen right on it.
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Asked the same question via Line-X and he wanted to charge me 800.00 to do the whole interior. and I though I could do better.. Upset I emailed line-x (mind you each line-x is independently own) so sending the email was a bit repetitive. Not knowing where to turn I posted a blog pertaining to the bed liners type products.. Surprisingly I got an email from Herculiner.. informing me that I have a package being delivered to me.. Turns out is herculiners paint on kit that will cover all of the jeeps floor boards and then some. But thats for the interior.. your looking to do the front grille.. I mean I've though about this my self, but wife seems a bit opposed to this idea. So we are opting for Mopars bra not the full bra (don't like the hood cover) part. Just thinking.. if your going to do this.. bed liners products (most) come in a variety of colors but black seems the norm. But once its covered to your specs.. you can always "dull it down" with flat paint. Hum I wonder what the hammered look would actually look like..
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Old 02-09-2014, 06:55 PM   #13
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If you look at DWHEELS0912 2014 Billet JK build he just finished doing a herculiner in his Jeep. It looks real good! He posted some pics after the final touch up
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The job was/is very professional looking and if he used Herculiner.. then I hope he sends these images to Bill Grimpe@herculiner. I'm sure he will be interested. Bill is currently in a holding pattern for our bed liner project and we'll document the whole thing on our blog.
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I will repost this on his build page so hopefully he will send the pics. I stopped by after the second coat was put on and it looked good already. It was still drying.
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Good work.. if these are your images.. then you should send them and while your at it.. create a blog about the whole thing if it hasn't been done already. We are looking at doing the herculiner this spring/summer.. and we have a friend on the eastern shore of MD that allows us to off road on her farm land.. with wide open spaces, we'll have plenty of room to take the jeep apart, to allow for curing. Thou we aren't opting for the full seat/dash/console removal.
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I highly reccomend monstaliner, you can do it yourself for a lot cheaper than line-x. You dont have to mix the whole kit at once, they give you instructions for measuring it out and mixing small batches. You do have to use it all within a year though. It's about as shiny as the soft top is.

My whole tub interior is done in monstaliner, and it seems to be impossible to scratch. I drag crap across it and everything. I used to ride with my ex fiancees dog, and we were concerned about it being too hot for him to ride on. The jeep sits outside in the hot sun all day with the top down in the summer. I pretty much leave the top down in the summer, it doesnt matter if it gets rained in. That monstaliner would be cool to the touch, but the seats and armrest would be boiling hot...heh...

You can get color chips from their website.

The longevity of the plasti dip wouldnt matter, you could take the grill off and re-coat it if you had to.
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Do you have any pics of the monstaliner in your tub. Just curious to see how it turned out. I think I'm going to do the line x on the grill just for the smooth appearance and the price I'm paying is fair. However when it comes time to do my tub I will probably do it my self.
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Oh and the hurculiner is not mine it is DWHEELS0912. He has a thread on the JK BUILD FORUM. it's called 2014 Billet JK Build I think.
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I just sent the pictures to Bill. The tub came out great. The process took two full days from start to finish. All I did was strip out the interior and followed the directions supplied from Herculiner. The only thing I suggest is to buy another cheap paint brush to help with touch ups after the second coat..
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Do you have any pics of the monstaliner in your tub. Just curious to see how it turned out. I think I'm going to do the line x on the grill just for the smooth appearance and the price I'm paying is fair. However when it comes time to do my tub I will probably do it my self.
I might somewhere. I can take a picture for you but i'd have to clean the floor first, every time you track salt and mud and crap in the jeep it looks really dirty. The carpet just hides the dirt deep in the carpet.... it always looks dirty lol.

I rolled it too thin in some areas in the back of the tub. No one else seems to notice it, but i can see flame red specs in a few spots. But if you roll it too thick, it runs so...lol. I'm going to buy another gallon kit this summer and re-roll the open areas. But, it looks great.

The only thing is, the rollers are the only thing that create the texture. In some spots you have to use a brush because the roller cant reach those. LOTS of those spots on the jeep. And those spots don't have the proper texture on mine. They're much smoother. But no one besides me notices. You can try to make a texture with the brush but its hard.

I'll get you some pics later. The process took two days, the prep is the most important. If you don't prep it right it won't stick.

Oh, and you have to wait like a week to put the seats in. I waited 2 days and put them in, and scratched the liner in a couple spots, but they're not in very noticable areas...and then i put cardboard on the floor to drive around.

and it outgassed for two months, and smelled horrible. but after that, no smell at all. Plan on having the top down almost every time you drive for 2 months. BUT...thats how i roll anyway. So.......


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I just sent the pictures to Bill. The tub came out great. The process took two full days from start to finish. All I did was strip out the interior and followed the directions supplied from Herculiner. The only thing I suggest is to buy another cheap paint brush to help with touch ups after the second coat..
Doesn't herculiner feel like sandpaper and fade horribly in the sun?
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I know that there are a bunch of threads on blacked out grills. I went to my local shop today and was talking to the guy about doing my grill. When I looked at the line x it seemed very shiny. He said that he could add a flattener to it to take the shine out an give it a flat black appearance. Has anyone done this with the line x flattener? If so how does the color hold up, cause he said he hasn't done a lot of flattening. Thanks
Are you sure he wasn't showing you the sample with UV protectant? I looked at the same thing for my interior- the sample I saw wasn't shiny at all. Until I looked at the sample with UV protectant- which was an adder. Maybe your local LineX automatically adds the UV?
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He said he was going to shoot it with premium.
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Sorry I didn't mean to send it with just that. I'm not sure if premium means UV included or what.
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I think the premium is the UV- but either way I'd get it. So flattener it is.....
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I will post a pic when I get it done. It will either be This Saturday or next Wednesday.
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The Herculiner doesn't feel like sand paper to me and I haven't had it long enough to say about the sun. I don't know what the difference would be between any of the bed liners when it comes to the sun and it getting hot. I did a lot of research on many different forums and most people had a positive experience with Herculiner. I am happy with the way it turned out and at this point I would recommend it to my friends. I will repost on this page if anything chances for the worse.
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Old 02-15-2014, 12:49 PM   #28
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Well it is line x'd.

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What do y'all think. Give me your honest opinion.
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Honest?.. the lighting is bad so we really can't see to much detail.. otherwise I suspect you did a great job. But did you remove the grille of leave it intact and just mask around it?.
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The Herculiner doesn't feel like sand paper to me and I haven't had it long enough to say about the sun. I don't know what the difference would be between any of the bed liners when it comes to the sun and it getting hot. I did a lot of research on many different forums and most people had a positive experience with Herculiner. I am happy with the way it turned out and at this point I would recommend it to my friends. I will repost on this page if anything chances for the worse.
Glad things are progressing in the right direction for you and sending those images back to Bill will only support their efforts or improve what they already have. Once we get some nice/warmer weather we'll be looking forward to doing the interior.

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