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Old 11-14-2013, 09:01 PM   #331
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Maybe everyone will agree on this one: Assume someone has a good 4" suspension lift properly installed on a new JKUR with flat fenders and propers rims. 37" tires will give him a add'l inch of ground clearance when compared to 35" tires. However, the 37" tires will hit the fenders sooner, thus allowing less articulation than the 35's. Which one would you rather take over the Rubicon or a tough Moab trail?
you could ask 10 people and get 10 different answers. it's all in what you want. i ran 35s on a 4.5" lift for two years... just went to 37s and flat fenders.. and yes - i have less articulation... but i am able to roll over more things because of my approach and departure angle difference.

do you mountain bike? it's like the debate between 26" and 29" bikes... 29ers roll easier, but it takes more work to get them going... well same applies here.

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Hello KJeeper,

Sorry for the repeat.

We spoke of wheels and tires before and decided to run Birddog wheels. There are 2 types that are 17x9 one that is a -12 offset at 4.5 backspace and the other size is -38 and 3.5 backspace. Which is best for me. I believe you may have said 4.5 but somewhere I also heard shallower was better?

I ended up with the Mopar stage 3, 3" lift. (Teraflex) as you may remember.

I believe that stage 3 takes care of everything I should.
I would like to run thje stock rubi X wheels and tires till they go but Teraflex seems to recommend changing I think. So I was thinking 33'S. I know, 35's but why?

So if I run 33" tires. It's geared 3.73 and auto. i was thinking fuel and ease on the drivetrain but I really do know nothing. I like the look of the clearance anyway and if I decide to go 35's I can later. It is shared use with my diesel Dodge.
Although it will see mostly on road it will see plenty of off road and sometimes extreme but not out of habit.

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Hello KJeeper,

Sorry for the repeat.

We spoke of wheels and tires before and decided to run Birddog wheels. There are 2 types that are 17x9 one that is a -12 offset at 4.5 backspace and the other size is -38 and 3.5 backspace. Which is best for me. I believe you may have said 4.5 but somewhere I also heard shallower was better?

I ended up with the Mopar stage 3, 3" lift. (Teraflex) as you may remember.

I believe that stage 3 takes care of everything I should.
I would like to run thje stock rubi X wheels and tires till they go but Teraflex seems to recommend changing I think. So I was thinking 33'S. I know, 35's but why?

So if I run 33" tires. It's geared 3.73 and auto. i was thinking fuel and ease on the drivetrain but I really do know nothing. I like the look of the clearance anyway and if I decide to go 35's I can later. It is shared use with my diesel Dodge.
Although it will see mostly on road it will see plenty of off road and sometimes extreme but not out of habit.
two questions, two comments

did you get adjustable arms? if so, recommend you go with the 3.5" BS you'll be clear of the arms at full left and full right lock under articulation on the trail...

not really a question but if you think 33s are to small - well they are too small. it sounds dumb... but you'll look at jeeps with 35s and regret. you have plenty of lift for 35s. with the new engine 3.73s will be okay - not great but okay... you will be able to do a lot you'll just need more throttle for the tricky stuff..

okay that was a long comment... but
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you could ask 10 people and get 10 different answers. it's all in what you want. i ran 35s on a 4.5" lift for two years... just went to 37s and flat fenders.. and yes - i have less articulation... but i am able to roll over more things because of my approach and departure angle difference.

do you mountain bike? it's like the debate between 26" and 29" bikes... 29ers roll easier, but it takes more work to get them going... well same applies here.

now, my beer is empty - would you be kind enough to get me another?
So I guess you are saying that it is just a coin flip as to which one you would take over the Rubicon Trail in my hypothetical ? I was hoping it would be a clearer choice.....since I am going to have to make it soon.
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So I guess you are saying that it is just a coin flip as to which one you would take over the Rubicon Trail in my hypothetical ? I was hoping it would be a clearer choice.....since I am going to have to make it soon.
my choice? 37s without question. with 4" lift, proper bump stops, 37s... starting rocks, and coming off of rocks and ledges will be easier... things got a lot easier with the 37s for me. and clearance had nothing to do with it.

it was because my tire was higher up at the start... or the gap between things was less - because the tires are bigger. make sense?

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Thanks, Tabber.......makes sense. Time for a Pearl Lite.
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my choice? 37s without question. with 4" lift, proper bump stops, 37s... starting rocks, and coming off of rocks and ledges will be easier... things got a lot easier with the 37s for me. and clearance had nothing to do with it.

it was because my tire was higher up at the start... or the gap between things was less - because the tires are bigger. make sense?

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Not to poke a stick at a caged animal but why are you mooning people on this forum? Bahaha
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i wish i had an answer for that Jerry... i just laugh when i see that icon... so i use the crap out of it (no pun intended)

that one - and this one ---> and yes i am drinking beer at the moment.. fat tire
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yes sir! glad i could offer some assistance!
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I've just never heard of them before but local Jeep shop announced they are carrying that lift now.
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I've just never heard of them before but local Jeep shop announced they are carrying that lift now.
Decent company just shops like to push for the most profit.
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two questions, two comments

did you get adjustable arms? if so, recommend you go with the 3.5" BS you'll be clear of the arms at full left and full right lock under articulation on the trail...

not really a question but if you think 33s are to small - well they are too small. it sounds dumb... but you'll look at jeeps with 35s and regret. you have plenty of lift for 35s. with the new engine 3.73s will be okay - not great but okay... you will be able to do a lot you'll just need more throttle for the tricky stuff..

okay that was a long comment... but
Thanks. I am pretty sure that Ken let me know that the Mopar kit does not come with adjustable arms. Which now makes sense that he probably recommended the 4.5 BS because of that. It gets confusing when I research. I read somewhere that less BS is better. That's why I am here and learning. Thanks again for the advice. Can not believe all I've read but you guys with first hand knowledge are invaluable and seem to be the most reliable.
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two questions, two comments

did you get adjustable arms? if so, recommend you go with the 3.5" BS you'll be clear of the arms at full left and full right lock under articulation on the trail...

not really a question but if you think 33s are to small - well they are too small. it sounds dumb... but you'll look at jeeps with 35s and regret. you have plenty of lift for 35s. with the new engine 3.73s will be okay - not great but okay... you will be able to do a lot you'll just need more throttle for the tricky stuff..

okay that was a long comment... but
They do use adjustable arms after all according to the dealer and they also are installing the teraflex front trackbar. I called Teraflex as well and confirmed as much as I was able.
Like I said before you and Ken's info has been invaluable to me so far. I'm still going with 33's though,LOL. I don't think they are too small the jeep community does. LOL. I like the ease of them and can always upgrade.
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They do use adjustable arms after all according to the dealer and they also are installing the teraflex front trackbar. I called Teraflex as well and confirmed as much as I was able. Like I said before you and Ken's info has been invaluable to me so far. I'm still going with 33's though,LOL. I don't think they are too small the jeep community does. LOL. I like the ease of them and can always upgrade.
Thanks bud. Anytime.

Are you sure about the arms ? Iirc Mopar arms are "fixed" but longer then stock to give desired caster.
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Thanks bud. Anytime.

Are you sure about the arms ? Iirc Mopar arms are "fixed" but longer then stock to give desired caster.
No the dealer told me that. The Teraflex guy said they make all the components for the Mopar stage 3.

When I get it I will take some pictures.

I am sure I will have more questions too.
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No the dealer told me that. The Teraflex guy said they make all the components for the Mopar stage 3. When I get it I will take some pictures. I am sure I will have more questions too.
Yes I know they are rebranded TF.
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2012 jk rubicon 2 door

Hi kj I have 2012 jk rubicon 2door I just installed a rubicon express 4.5 inch lift kit with fox racing shocks the ones with reservoirs I also got the front and rear cv drive shaft as I was told I am running fuel krank 18 inch rims with 35 inch fuel tires that look identical to the toyo open country mt I think toyo makes them. Anyway I am going crazy after spending so much money every time I go over a bump I feel a bump or rubbing I also think the drive shaft is making noise to cause when press the clutch I can hear a grinding noise the reason I did all these extras was to prevent this I also noticed that original brackets were left in place I called rubicon express they said that it was fine I installed the long arm kit but it's not what I was expecting performance wise do u think something was done wrong by the they made a mistake and ordered 33 inch tires so his letting me run on these until the 35s come in please help
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NP, deleted the dupe post :P If I understand you .. Your problem is a noise ? How's drivability ? Trying to understand the main issue(s)

Was the lift installed professionally or by yourself? Do you know what your pinion angles front and rear ? Possible to takes some pictures ?

Could be as simple as a little adjustment. Like the rear track bar is hitting the coil ... Happens a lot.
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2.5 is generally a safe height to be at. The issue is, most lift coils are stiffer and made to support weight. So if you don't have heavy bumpers/winch/tire carrier/skid system/etc. that 2.5" lift might end up at 4"
Thanks Ken, great information! I have a friend who's husband owns heavily modified Jeeps. He put a lift on her 07 JK Unlimited, about 3 or 4". She told me she traded it for a pick-up truck because the death wobble was so bad.
My lift is an AEV 3.5" I got the high end kit including high steer kit. I'm not sure my mechanic torqued it while it was on the ground. I noticed right away he forgot to install the geometry correcting brackets. Details matter.
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Thanks Ken, great information! I have a friend who's husband owns heavily modified Jeeps. He put a lift on her 07 JK Unlimited, about 3 or 4". She told me she traded it for a pick-up truck because the death wobble was so bad. My lift is an AEV 3.5" I got the high end kit including high steer kit. I'm not sure my mechanic torqued it while it was on the ground. I noticed right away he forgot to install the geometry correcting brackets. Details matter. Thanks again, mjg
the brackets really do make the lift. How the heck did they forgot them ?
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I posted here about a month or so ago before my JKS 2dr came in and mods made and was thinking a Treaflex performance leveling kit was on the shopping list.

Somewhere along the line (could have been on this thread), I read to get all the weight added, see where the jeep sits, and then determine the lift. So, now I have everything on except the winch but I put the equivalent weight on the exact spot the winch will go. Measuring from the center of the wheel to the bottom of the fender flair, it sits about 3/4" nose high. Tires are 285/70/17 Duratrac and they sit slightly wider than the stock fender flairs so are not tucked in completely.

Being in the midwest, offloading will be snow runs, trails in the woods. Nothing extreme. However, plan to make at least one trip annually to off-road parks in the region or out West. This jeep will also be my DD for the next 4-5 years and then most likely will move to a weekend warrior and at that point beef it up more.

Looking for a happy medium in height such that it doesn't look goofy being too tall for 33s yet able to do some fun, but not extreme, off-loading (until more mods are done in 4-5 yrs). Am open to switching to flat fender flairs for clearance due to my tires sticking out beyond stock.

Due to the added weight thus far, seems like a coil lift with stiffer springs is the way to go vs. a BB. Thinking new shocks are in order as well? Would appreciate your wisdom on lift height/lift brand to accommodate the weight and nose-high stance, shock recommendation and any other pearls of wisdom with my intended use in mind.

I am more concerned with good quality and doing it right vs that will serve my wheeling needs well for 4-5 years vs. going cheap/marginal quality.

Will most likely do this work myself as well if it is pretty straightforward.

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I posted here about a month or so ago before my JKS 2dr came in and mods made and was thinking a Treaflex performance leveling kit was on the shopping list. Somewhere along the line (could have been on this thread), I read to get all the weight added, see where the jeep sits, and then determine the lift. So, now I have everything on except the winch but I put the equivalent weight on the exact spot the winch will go. Measuring from the center of the wheel to the bottom of the fender flair, it sits about 3/4" nose high. Tires are 285/70/17 Duratrac and they sit slightly wider than the stock fender flairs so are not tucked in completely. Being in the midwest, offloading will be snow runs, trails in the woods. Nothing extreme. However, plan to make at least one trip annually to off-road parks in the region or out West. This jeep will also be my DD for the next 4-5 years and then most likely will move to a weekend warrior and at that point beef it up more. Looking for a happy medium in height such that it doesn't look goofy being too tall for 33s yet able to do some fun, but not extreme, off-loading (until more mods are done in 4-5 yrs). Am open to switching to flat fender flairs for clearance due to my tires sticking out beyond stock. Due to the added weight thus far, seems like a coil lift with stiffer springs is the way to go vs. a BB. Thinking new shocks are in order as well? Would appreciate your wisdom on lift height/lift brand to accommodate the weight and nose-high stance, shock recommendation and any other pearls of wisdom with my intended use in mind. I am more concerned with good quality and doing it right vs that will serve my wheeling needs well for 4-5 years vs. going cheap/marginal quality. Will most likely do this work myself as well if it is pretty straightforward. Much appreciated!
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This post came through being subscribed but I need to run out for a bit. Post a couple side shots here so we can see how you sit currently,
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Here you go. Thanks again!
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Here you go. Thanks again!
Oh yea. She looks great. Time for some clearance

I think you should consider that leveling kit, but choose the 4 door coils from TF. Or the new triple rate 1.5's from RK. RK's coils that aren't model specific and TF's 4 door coils should be close in height. Around 1.5-2"on a 2 door with the weight you have. This way you will have the needed clearance without needing a complete kit and/or worrying about drivability changes/poor handling.
You can bumpstop a little more and run around a 10" shock. Longer and will give you the travel off road. Honestly, I highly recommend the Rancho 9000 adjustable shocks.


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