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Old 03-21-2014, 05:17 PM   #1
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NOVA LED Headlight Bulbs H13

In the interest of keeping things separate and easier to find I started a new thread from the Lifetime LED thread.

This is a new headlight bulb design that won 2013 SEMA award. 2013 SEMA Show New Product Awards Winners | Specialty Equipment Market Association

It has an adjustable fin heatsink vs a fan. Dual low/high beam LEDs with a silicone bubble on top of each of the LEDs. And it has an adjustable position collar for if it doesn't sit right after locking into the housing.

I got them on eBay from here: H13 Hi Lo LED Headlight Kit Replace Halogen or Xenon HID 3800Lm 40W | eBay
They shipped out on the 9th from China and arrived today the 21st.

Here is the unboxing:





So box isn't anything special and was a little dented here and there but the insides were protected by all the foam (hopefully they work though as the individual pieces could move around a little).

As for the bulbs they seem pretty hefty/durable. I would say they appear well made but I am no expert. And as you can see it's a "make your own connector" they just sent the H13 piece and you just push the wires into it to match the stock connector, easy. Just have to watch out for that "hight" beam wire haha



Check back later for the install and first impressions. I don't have time to install right now and plus it's still daylight. Hopefully tonight if not tomorrow.

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They look solid from the pics, I am looking forward to the install and hope they work well.
I need a quality low cost replacement for these lifetime LEDs.

Thanks for taking one for the team!
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They don't have a color number on the box do they?

I see it says cool white so I assume it is between 5000 and 6000....


By the way here is their web site:
http://www.nova-auto.com/
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Iven, is there a screw to adjust the light position? could you give a picture of it?

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Also wondering on the light position. If I remember right, that was the major problem with all the other LED "bulb" replacements, such as cree.
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Also wondering on the light position. If I remember right, that was the major problem with all the other LED "bulb" replacements, such as cree.
Cree is a company the makes the actual led chip not the entire light.

The light manufacturer will buy the chip and use it to make their light.

The reason why you are familiar with the name CREE is because they are one of the leading manufacturers of the chips and the companies that use them advertise the fact that they are CREE chips to let the buyer now that they are getting a quality led chip in their product.

It is kind of like the jeep rubicon 10a advertising that they have BFG km2's.
Jeep wants you to know that they have tires on there that they think are a quality component.

Other names that you will see besides CREE are Epistar, Samsung, and Osram.

The only problem is that the Chinese factories that are claiming to have CREE or any of the other LEDs may or may not actually have these quality LEDs in their product.
Regardless of what they say their products are the likelihood of having a knock off chip is very high and how would we ever know?
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The only problem is that the Chinese factories that are claiming to have CREE or any of the other LEDs may or may not actually have these quality LEDs in their product.
Regardless of what they say their products are the likelihood of having a knock off chip is very high and how would we ever know?
Very true.
And since they're selling a product that is illegal to import/sell/install in the United States, Canada, etc, that further leads one to speculate that they might be counterfeit.
Adding a line that says "for offroad or show use only" as a disclaimer does not remove the importer from compliance regulations. If it can fit in a road use vehicle, it needs to be compliant with applicable laws.

Only posting this as a caveat to people who might want to know. Not trying to take a dump on the OP. I'm sure his intentions are noble.
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Very true.
And since they're selling a product that is illegal to import/sell/install in the United States, Canada, etc, that further leads one to speculate that they might be counterfeit.
Adding a line that says "for offroad or show use only" as a disclaimer does not remove the importer from compliance regulations. If it can fit in a road use vehicle, it needs to be compliant with applicable laws.

Only posting this as a caveat to people who might want to know. Not trying to take a dump on the OP. I'm sure his intentions are noble.
So if I took a jeep housing and put it on my snow blower as a light kit and used my rechargeable flashlight led bulb from my hand tools and milled a plastic adapter so it fit in the headlight from the jeep , it would be illegal because it now could fit in a part that could be used on a road use vehicle?

I didn't know that. How do they sell illegal bulbs everywhere? I mean we could walk into AutoZone and 90% of their bulbs are illegal. How can they even sell an 80/100 watt bulb or hid high/low bulb.

So everything manufactured for off road use has to be unique in its design so it could in no way be installed in an on road vehicle?

Perhaps I am over thinking this but that is a pretty powerful statement and law you mentioned. I really had no idea.
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Seems if the bulbs were indeed illegal to import, then customs would grab them on their way in. It seems that individual states establish laws regarding automobiles which they then enforce compliance with through annual inspections.
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OP, do you have these things installed yet? I have the lifetimeled's right now but if there is a better product out there I might just do it. Im interested.
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They don't have a color number on the box do they?

I see it says cool white so I assume it is between 5000 and 6000....
Yea no mention of color temp on any of the stuff I received or on their eBay listing. Just "cool white"


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Also wondering on the light position. If I remember right, that was the major problem with all the other LED "bulb" replacements, such as cree.
Here is the screw, it looks as if you just unscrew it a little and then it's able to twist. It doesn't look as though it comes off in 2 pieces which it shows on their eBay pics. And I haven't unscrewed it yet to see how it works just because I want to see how they fit before messing in case I don't have to.


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OP, do you have these things installed yet? I have the lifetimeled's right now but if there is a better product out there I might just do it. Im interested.
Sorry didn't get any time last night. Will do it this evening as I want to get before and after pics at night.
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The silicone bubble is a new twist... will be interested to see impressions.
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Subscribed also. I just bought another Truck-Lite LED for my '09 JK. I had one on my Harley and LOVED it, just sold the bike and kept the headlight so bought another from eBay for $168 and gonna install them this week sometime. Can't wait to see what these bulbs look like as compared to the Truck-Lites or JW Speakers.
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The silicone bubble is a new twist... will be interested to see impressions.
It is some what of a Cree designed chip.
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Well bad news, they are clocked incorrectly as were the lifetime LEDs. So I unscrewed the adjustment and this is what I found


So you can't adjust them at all really. There are 2 screw holes directly across from each other so that doesn't help. They're just there to mount the other bulb adapters I'm guessing.

Here they are put in, this is taken from the top


Low beams



Sorry I didn't take a pic of the highs but there definitely wasn't much difference, just like the lifetime ones.

Color was good and white, the brightness seemed better but the pattern was off and that bothered me. Plus there was a noticeable flicker once you put it in gear.


Needless to say my stock lights went back in
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That is messed up, they show the ability to adjusted them.

Is that a hole or is it threaded?
If it is a hole could you drill another one?
Or if the outer ring is threaded could you adjust and just tighten the screw enough to lock into a different position?
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That is messed up, they show the ability to adjusted them.

Is that a hole or is it threaded?
If it is a hole could you drill another one?
Or if the outer ring is threaded could you adjust and just tighten the screw enough to lock into a different position?
It is a threaded hole. The outer ring is not threaded. I actually tried to drill another hole. Hole went fine but then the bottom of the screw broke off while trying to put the screw in. So I guess that "would be possible"

And yea, a little upset that they show you can adjust. But I definitely could not
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It is a threaded hole. The outer ring is not threaded. I actually tried to drill another hole. Hole went fine but then the bottom of the screw broke off while trying to put the screw in. So I guess that "would be possible"

And yea, a little upset that they show you can adjust. But I definitely could not
Can you drill the screw out?
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It is some what of a Cree designed chip.
The "bubble" is an attempt to create a lens to disperse the light evenly over a wide a larger angle of the reflector.
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Seems if the bulbs were indeed illegal to import, then customs would grab them on their way in. It seems that individual states establish laws regarding automobiles which they then enforce compliance with through annual inspections.
States have laws but have to defer to Fed regulations on this, like many issues that states would rather not...

There isn't enough law enforcement. Customs does grab containers but this isn't a hot-button issue. If there were public outcry, if a politician's wife or a pro football player got blinded by an illegal headlight and crashed, then there would be enforcement.
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States have laws but have to defer to Fed regulations on this, like many issues that states would rather not... There isn't enough law enforcement. Customs does grab containers but this isn't a hot-button issue. If there were public outcry, if a politician's wife or a pro football player got blinded by an illegal headlight and crashed, then there would be enforcement.
Alright here is the deal....as far as the legality of these headlights and basically any vehicle lighting I will give my .02. State laws, especially traffic laws, often mirror each other from state to state, especially in regard to equipment violations so there can be across the board compliance. Registration and moving violations are also often the same. NHTSA establishes guidelines and regulations and standards for vehicle safety, they do not create laws, however laws can be adopted from those regulations and standards. Just because something isn't NHTSA compliant doesn't make it illegal. In Ohio for example, the only laws pertaining to headlights are that you have two, and they must be dimmed when opposing traffic is passing you. There are certain cities and villages who have established ordinances that slightly vary from state law that will cover what color the lights need to be, but that is rare. There are hundreds of items imported and sold in the US that are illegal to put on your vehicle, most manufacturing is done in China anyways and anybody can buy a red/blue police lightbar to put on their car, but that doesn't make it illegal to sell or import. I have been a cop for 11 years, and I have never pulled someone over to check to see if their headlights are NHTSA compliant or to measure the light output (there are no laws in Ohio that govern that, and I don't know of any other states that do either, if there is please send me that states traffic statute). The issue of whether these lights, or any other headlight I have seen on here, violating any type of enforceable law is really a non-issue. However I guess if you want that "feel good" feeling of having a headlight that is NHTSA approved, to each their own.
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Every state has to conform to this:
Standard No. 108; Lamps, reflective devices, and associated equipment. - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
They can exceed it in written law but not fall short.
Whether or not it's enforced is up to the local AHJ.

The NHTSA does not "approve" of anything.
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Every state has to conform to this:
Standard No. 108; Lamps, reflective devices, and associated equipment. - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
They can exceed it in written law but not fall short.
Whether or not it's enforced is up to the local AHJ.

The NHTSA does not "approve" of anything.
Sorry you are wrong on this. This is a standard and as such if you want to manufacture or sell a vehicle in this country or manufacture original and replacement lamps, reflective devices, and associated equipment you must meet the intent of the standard. It is not law, standards are never laws and are not enforceable on the general public.

In my state the fed standard has been adopted which now gives it the force of law. The state patrol can demand from the manufacture of said parts its test data and levy fines, etc as indicated. The state also allows the State Patrol to create additional standards not covered by the fed standard and hold manufactures to it.

Again none of this can be levied on the individual. The individual can be fined for locating aux lights in the wrong place, color of lights, number of lights in use, etc. but that is all spelled out specifically.
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Adding a line that says "for offroad or show use only" as a disclaimer does not remove the importer from compliance regulations. If it can fit in a road use vehicle, it needs to be compliant with applicable laws.
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So if I took a jeep housing and put it on my snow blower as a light kit and used my rechargeable flashlight led bulb from my hand tools and milled a plastic adapter so it fit in the headlight from the jeep , it would be illegal because it now could fit in a part that could be used on a road use vehicle?
You could make it yourself, but not import one, or introduce that into interstate commerce. It doesn't matter that you made it expressly for your snow blower-- it matters that it can fit into federally-regulated motor vehicle lighting equipment. So long as you only install it in your snow blower, and not into your vehicle headlamp, you'll be fine. If it's installed in a motor vehicle headlamp, it's the same as removing your headlamp. The device renders it inoperative.
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I didn't know that. How do they sell illegal bulbs everywhere? I mean we could walk into AutoZone and 90% of their bulbs are illegal. How can they even sell an 80/100 watt bulb or hid high/low bulb.
Lax enforcement of a law or laws doesn't make breaking those laws right.
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So everything manufactured for off road use has to be unique in its design so it could in no way be installed in an on road vehicle?
No, that's not at all what is being said. A complete lamp assembly that is not certified for on-road use can stil be installed on a vehicle (like a K.C. lightbar or somesuch), but if the driver USES it on road, that falls on him.
The problem is when it's just a bulb that can be installed in a regulated headlamp-- one can't just mark it "for off-road use only" and call it good. (Panda Power, LLC tried to get away with that, and didn't. See this.)
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Well bad news, they are clocked incorrectly as were the lifetime LEDs. So I unscrewed the adjustment and this is what I found (image not quoted)
Yep. If it were *that easy* to make compliant LED headlamps with such an item, GM, Ford, Toyota, and all the rest would already be doing that.
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Needless to say my stock lights went back in
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Alright here is the deal....as far as the legality of these headlights and basically any vehicle lighting I will give my .02. State laws, especially traffic laws, often mirror each other from state to state, especially in regard to equipment violations so there can be across the board compliance. Registration and moving violations are also often the same. NHTSA establishes guidelines and regulations and standards for vehicle safety, they do not create laws, however laws can be adopted from those regulations and standards.
Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard #108 has the force of law, because it is part of 49 CFR 571 (CFR being "Code of Federal Regulations"), which is given the authority by 49 U.S.C. 322, 30111, 30115, 30166 and 30177; delegation of authority at 49 CFR 1.50. So, it's the law, plain and simple.
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Just because something isn't NHTSA compliant doesn't make it illegal. In Ohio for example, the only laws pertaining to headlights are that you have two, and they must be dimmed when opposing traffic is passing you.
NHTSA compliant? Please, don't make up terminology. Also, no, Ohio has much more well-defined laws for headlamps than you may think: See Ohio Administrative Code 4501. Just because they don't cite the specific apposite SAE documents by their number doesn't mean that they don't require those headlamps to conform to the apposite SAE documents.
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anybody can buy a red/blue police lightbar to put on their car, but that doesn't make it illegal to sell or import.
Police light bars are not federally-regulated, nor are they required equipment. Installation of them is regulated by the States. On those vehicles that are permitted to have them, they are still not allowed to "render inoperative" the regulated lamps (meaning the police departments can't install a light bar directly across the headlamps or taillamps, as they'd block the function of those devices).
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I have been a cop for 11 years, and I have never pulled someone over to check to see if their headlights are NHTSA compliant or to measure the light output (there are no laws in Ohio that govern that, and I don't know of any other states that do either, if there is please send me that states traffic statute).
Yes, there is a law in Ohio that governs that: Chapter 4501-15 Motor Vehicles-Lighting. Again, they defer to the SAE specifications for vehicle headlighting.
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The issue of whether these lights, or any other headlight I have seen on here, violating any type of enforceable law is really a non-issue. However I guess if you want that "feel good" feeling of having a headlight that is NHTSA approved, to each their own.
It's a "non-issue" until someone gets killed, which is a real possibility when people replace their road-legal headlighting systems with non-legal headlighting systems. Would you buy brake fluid (which is also federally-regulated) from some website saying it "exceeds DOT requirements" yet is "for off-road use only"? We have certain laws for a reason, you know.
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Sorry you are wrong on this. This is a standard and as such if you want to manufacture or sell a vehicle in this country or manufacture original and replacement lamps, reflective devices, and associated equipment you must meet the intent of the standard. It is not law, standards are never laws and are not enforceable on the general public.
False. You must meet the intent of the standard by conforming to the standard. (The "intent" of the standard is built in to the way it was written-- it also has the *force of law*, again, Title 49, United States Code.)
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Again none of this can be levied on the individual. The individual can be fined for locating aux lights in the wrong place, color of lights, number of lights in use, etc. but that is all spelled out specifically.
Once the individual does something like replace the H4 bulb in their headlamps with an HID kit, they essentially have *removed* their headlamps-- so indeed, this can be levied on the individual.
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Can we please leave the legalities out of this thread? This thread is about NOVA LED units...not a place for a legal discussion. Thank you.

Now...back on topic...

I'm sorry these didn't work as a advertised.

Any chance on emailing the manufacturer and asking about the lack of adjustability?
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I posted a caveat for interested parties ---- the caveat was challenged.

Just think it's important that people have the facts when they're making up their minds about these things.
It matters to some people.

Thanks, Alaric.

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