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Old 04-30-2009, 09:17 PM   #1
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oil light question

Hey all you JK owners and aficionados. My Jeep was purchased used and the dealership I got it from said they had changed the oil when it came in. Just about a day or two ago the "Change Oil" prompt started to flash at engine start up. Does anyone know how to reset that alert myself? or is it something a Jeep dealership is going to have to do?

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Turn the key to on and put the throttle all the way down, then get off it, wash, rinse, and repeat 4 or 5 times and it should go away- Mark W.

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Old 04-30-2009, 11:02 PM   #3
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wash, rinse? Why isn't it just like turn key on, hit pedal 3 times and it is done?
That is one strange combo...... ----- I am still pissed about the lack of an OEM
oil pressure gauge....... LOL..

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Haha well I washed the Jeepers yesterday anyways but if it was code for something, I didn't get it.
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Hah- it means push the throttle to the floor, release, to the floor, release, and so on, until it goes away Mark W.
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I read in the manual put the key to the on position but do not start the jeep. press the throttle petal to the floor 3 times quickly then turn the key to the off position. It works on my 08 jk.
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cool i appreciate it


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LOL --- now how do you activate the oil pressure gauge? LOL
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See. When I clicked on this I thought we were talking about camping/mining supplies.... I probably oughta eat something.
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Made my first appointment for next week, for my first oil change, about 3,000 miles. Curious though, as now my oil change indicator is coming on at 2,550 miles.

Since the manual states 6,000 between changes, I'm surprised it would come on at 2550. In reading the manual it says it can come on at different times depending on a number of variables.

So is it normal for this first one to come on with so few miles?
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Made my first appointment for next week, for my first oil change, about 3,000 miles. Curious though, as now my oil change indicator is coming on at 2,550 miles.

Since the manual states 6,000 between changes, I'm surprised it would come on at 2550. In reading the manual it says it can come on at different times depending on a number of variables.

So is it normal for this first one to come on with so few miles?
That is your dealer having their way with you. If you want oil changes at every 6K which is what I do, just tell them to set it to 6K. I don't believe in over servicing and it gets service right on schedule without fail at the 6K interval. My caravan was 7.5K and it went over 100K without burning oil. Besides, click and clack says over-servicing only helps the oil companies and is bad for the ecology. I hug trees when I can.
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Not sure exactly how DC engineers devise their oil minder algorithm, but generally in the guidance & aerospace industry, it is a very complex analysis of many factors including oil & engine temperature, hourmeter of usage, RPM range %, time at idle/time at max RPM, etc.

Essentially how you drive: the daily distance, amount of towing, amount of city vs. highway driving, 4wd engaged hours, total engine hours vs. miles & many other factors can contribute to the variables contained within the oil minder system. It is generally an accurate composite of how likely the oil is to have been relatively compromised and that it needs to be changed to achieve maximum protection & service for your engine.

I know this is somewhat vague, but I hate making "factual opinions" on engineering designs that I simply cannot speak to with total accuracy. Because I didn't design this system... --- Recommend you change it for piece of mind and monitor your driving habits, if it is just a faulty minder system, then you probably need to have the dealer adjust accordingly.

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Did you change the oil at 500, 1000 or at all on your new engine? Are you running dino or synthetic?

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^^ Yes, what Andy says. In addition to the algorithm that will remind you when to change the oil is the setting that can be changed about the interval that the dealer can set. Maybe the user can set it as well. I can't remember if I read it in the OM or the dealer told me but the setting is the max that can be run unless some other condition in the algorithm has the change light come on sooner. Mine is currently set to 6K and it starts reminding at 500 before. I must be a model driver because so far it hasn't deviated.
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Did you change the oil at 500, 1000 or at all on your new engine? Are you running dino or synthetic?

HTH.
No, this is the first change. I asked at the service department if I should change it earlier, and they said no. As to what oil, whatever came from the factory.

Thanks for all the good info on how it is probably calculated...
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Would have changed it at 500 or at least 1000 to get rid of the engine break-in particulates and heavy lube additives from the manufacturing process....but no worry....just get it changed now.
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Would have changed it at 500 or at least 1000 to get rid of the engine break-in particulates and heavy lube additives from the manufacturing process....but no worry....just get it changed now.
Yeah, I've heard pros/cons about it. Well water under that bridge at this point, so will be changing at about 2700 miles.
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^ Not an issue --- to each his own but, what cons could there possibly be?

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^ Not an issue --- to each his own but, what cons could there possibly be?

I can think of a few.

1. Your wallet will be ouched for no reason.
2. The ecology will be damaged with an extra quart of oil taken out and then put who knows where after you're done with it.
3. You could have given that money to a charity to feed a child, now that child will go hungry.

Your car doesn't need it or they wouldn't post the notice about not having to change the break in oil in the owner's manual. Or they posted it there and didn't mean it???

I'm in my 50s now and have had several new cars. I change the oil on schedule A which is the longer interval. I have done this on ALL of my cars. I sell my cars with between 100K and 200K miles on them. NONE of them that I have sold were pushing oil at the time of sale, not even the one with 240K on it. And besides, click and clack have tested this and found it to be so. Why overservice it if it will do just fine on regular service at the longer interval. You still have to check fluid levels in between and such so that nothing bad happens but that should be done no matter what the interval.

That all being said, if I do a lot of off roading/towing, I'll change it early. That IMHO makes sense.
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As stated to each his own. I am not going to debate the importance of wear tolerances and significant engine break-in particulates present within the first 500-1000 miles of an engine build. This is proven. Being an experienced engineer in defense automation (missile) guidance and aerospace engineering, I can certainly confirm the validity. I also personally don't care if anyone ever changes their own oil nor performs any maintenance on their own vehicles. Again to each his own...

1. It is my $ and I change my own oil.
2. Ecology? My oil gets recycled at my Aerospace plant.
3. Charity --- feeding children? Where the heck did this come from?

This is not going to be a engineering rant on synthetics. Use what you want, but please don't plead the "eco-conservative" defense stand. If you were that concerned about the environment and needy children, you wouldn't be driving an offroad 4x4 vehicle that gets worse gas mileage than my last Porsche Turbo & V12 Viper. You would be driving an electric car and mountain biking your offroad hills instead of driving on them while baking bread for the nearby orphanage each morning. Let's not get too altruistic this early in the morning.

Just simply state that is your position based upon your opinion and interpretation of proper maintenance for your own vehicles. It sounds like you have been successful & responsible with your vehicles and their long-term viability. And that is the only important thing...
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I didn't ask for some good reasons, you did...and I gave them. So we can agree to disagree instead of slinging insults about my reasons back and forth. I didn't think that all of my logic would line up. I donate to charity when I can. I try and take it easy on the environment when I can. I suppose we can find fault with everything if we go deep enough.

We can follow what the manufacturer says about automobiles without applying rocket logic to it. That is why they make owner's manuals for cars: to follow them as a guide. I suppose you can apply rocket science to your car but I don't think it is necessary. I am saying this without trying to imply insult. As a breed, I think engineers in general can tend to overanalyze.

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It is not the over analytical nature of engineers that should be questioned, it is just that we base our positions not on conjecture, nor 3rd party opinions, but raw empirical data. Opinions are fine, but they are not facts. "Rocket logic" has nothing to do with it, and I will agree that if your personal choice of maintenance works for you....that is perfect.

I truly just didn't understand the need for your bullet point list about environmental impact and starving, needy children. ?!?!!?
Stick to the issues & facts when formulating your position, this is not a town-hall political debate show, just a lowly...Jeep Wrangler forum.

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^^ Did you ever consider that I make some of those comments to try and stay on the light side?

You took the argument about oil changes deep. I'm trying to say it is simple. Follow the manufacturers instructions in the owner's manual. Doing additional is OK but probably not necessary in the great scheme of things. Thanks for the great discussion on the topic.
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BTW the owners manual is probably based "not on conjecture, nor 3rd party opinions, but raw empirical data" using a quote from your post.
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^ lol....

You are right.....vehicle user manuals supercede all scientific fact. Manufacturer recommendations.....
Someone is still drinking the corporate kool-aid..... PAGING.... JIM JONES....
You are correct... You and clicky clack are gods....
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That rant was pretty funny.

I guess that you are implying that the owners manual was written by a bunch of sponge bob square pants that know nothing about automobiles? Should the engineers that work at Chrysler take that as an insult? I'm just speculating.
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sorry to interfere within your debate, I for instance am still waiting for the 10000 km to have my oil changed, though the book sais 10000km or 6 months, whichever occurs first. Could that oil indicator be related to the time as well?
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sorry to interfere within your debate, I for instance am still waiting for the 10000 km to have my oil changed, though the book sais 10000km or 6 months, whichever occurs first. Could that oil indicator be related to the time as well?


I'm still chuckling from this exchange. It was fun.

Regarding your question, I don't think it knows about time in the algorithm. I think the clue to that is that there is no date and time that can be displayed by the mileage calculator. I have a vague recollection about reading something about it in the OM.

I have read a lot of the maintenance stuff and how to use various features. I usually do this when I'm playing the diligent dad for my kids who I gladly truck all over creation to various functions/events. I think I do it to at least try and do things correctly in the car and not to out nerd the next guy.

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