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Old 02-06-2014, 10:17 PM   #1
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Please help me decide on which lift I should roll with this summer.

I have a 2013 manual white JK I want to put a lift2.5/wheels17/tires35 on this month. I have been researching and reading forums for a while but I would love to hear everyone's 2 cents in regards to my situation.

My JK is a weekend off-road Arizona explorer and weekday driver(20mi) so I do not need much lift or problems. My thinking is a 2.5" suspension lift and if I want I can always add a 1-1.5" body lift later. Plus I do not want to go above 3" due to all the "Geometry" problems I have read so much about. I am putting on Pro Comp 7069 wheels with Nitto 35x12.50R27 Trail Grappler tires.

I am going with 4WheelParts for parts and installation here in Phoenix, AZ as I feel confident in them. My budget for the lift is around $1000 (not including installation). I have researched Pro-Comp(was my original first choice), AEV, OME, Skyjacker, Rancho, Rock Krawler and of course my last two TeraFlex and Rubicon Express.

I have read so many posts about whats needed in a lift. So I am adding some things to the kits but am still undecided on a few elements.

Rubicon Express Lift
Rubicon Express 2.5" Standard Coil Lift W/MonoTube Shocks = $699
Rubicon Express Adjustable Front Track Bar = $165
Rubicon Express RXT2000BJK Steering Stabilizer - $60ea x2 = $120
*Rubicon Express Exhaust spacer = $46? is this needed on a 2.5"
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TeraFlex Lift
TeraFlex 2.5" Standard Coil Lift W/Shocks = $730
TeraFlex Monster Front Adjustable Trackbar = $244
TeraFlex Steering Stabilizer Kit - $54ea x2 = $108
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Wheels/Tires
17 Pro Comp 7069 17x9 Wheels ($50rebate) - $133ea x5 = $665
23 Gorilla ½” Black Locking Lug Nuts and Stems = $40
17 Nitto 35x12.50R17, Trail Grappler ($50rebate) - $343ea x5 = $1715
*Speedometer Calibration? = $185
Hyline Oversized Tire Mount/LED Third Brake Light = $99

So there you have it. Do any of these 2.5" kits need anything else such as:
- Control Arms – Front Upper/Rear Lower? are these both really needed for 2.5"
- Sway Bar Link – Disconnect = $140? is this needed

Thank you for your comments and advice on any or all of these components.

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Hi! I am also in Arizona (Scottsdale up by Kierland) and currently lift investigating. So I can't really answer your technical questions but will see how others respond. But welcome aboard and hope to see you on the trails sometime!

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Thanks and yes... there are a BAZILLION trails here in AZ. I can not wait! Lost in Sedona and the back road to Crown King are on the top of my list.
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Run away from 4 wheel parts.....don't walk run..... I am also in the valley....

Trail concepts or cutting edge to name two in the valley.
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Do you belong to the AZ Virtual Jeep Club (just google it-not hard to find)? They schedule a lot of runs and lots of those folks have TONS of experience. I went on a run at Table Mesa back in January - over 100 Jeeps! It was AWESOME! A few from AZVJC are also members here. There is also an AZ board here on WF in the "State Specific" forum sometimes folks post up runs.

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Both lifts are good choices but IMO TF has better customer service. Both of them are a much better choice than Pro Comp.

I would really get some reference on the specific 4WDParts shop. Some shops have more than a couple unsatisfied customers and it really depends on how that particular store is managed.
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Hi there,
I have a Rubicon Express 3.5 short arm with shocks it looks and rides great I’m just waiting for my Cooper 35x12.5x17. I plan on keeping the stock rims and go with a spacer.
I went with the Rubicon Express to save some money it was about 300 less than the Tereflex.
Both are good lifts.
However, you may want to get a Superchip to change the settings for your 17 Nitto 35x12.50R17, Trail Grappler the chip will return the power you lost with the larger tires. They run ~$250-300. It does a lot more then change the settings for your tires.
You won’t go wrong with any of the lifts you chose.
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Only coils I would run on your choices are OME and AEV.
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Having all 8 adjustable CA's allows the axles to be repositioned in the wheel wells. This i assume is what you are asking "front uppers/rear lowers"
Single set (either) front = caster
Rear uppers = pinion.
If you don't crawl big rocks, look into front geometry correction brackets. Caster/handling improved for around $100

As far as whets "needed". That is hard to answer, there's too many variables. #1 how much height the coils give you. It comes down to coil rating and any weight added to the jeep.

Did you go through the sticky section in Jk Tech, especially "newby's guide to lifting your JK" and "lifting in steps" ?

Out of those listed, I like Teraflex
The 2.5" coil lift is a nice start and generally gives around 2.5" of actual lift. Ive recommended the TF 2.5" and Rancho 9000 shocks to a lot of folks. This is a very popular combo. Add lower CA's for caster and if you choose -a track bar up front. The axle won't be shifted much, but a stronger track bar will add rigidity to the steering and help prevent DW. The TF 2.5 comes with a rear axle side bracket which should center the axle pretty close. Also 9/16 shouldered bolts for lower CA'a and 2 track bars.

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Run away from 4 wheel parts.....don't walk run..... I am also in the valley....

Trail concepts or cutting edge to name two in the valley.
Thank You KEVLARS. What was your bad experience at 4WheelParts? Phoenix or Mesa? I looked up Trail Concepts and they are near me so will check them out. Thanks!
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I am going with the RE 3.5". Looks to be a good kit. If you go with this, get the Rancho CA correction brackets in stead of using the supplied cam bolts. You'll lose a little bit of clearance but much better than the cam bolts that come with the kit. 4WP here in Dallas suggested the RE kit over Teraflex because there won't be a lot of part changes when I want to upgrade. Something to consider as well.
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Do you belong to the AZ Virtual Jeep Club (just google it-not hard to find)? They schedule a lot of runs and lots of those folks have TONS of experience. I went on a run at Table Mesa back in January - over 100 Jeeps! It was AWESOME! A few from AZVJC are also members here. There is also an AZ board here on WF in the "State Specific" forum sometimes folks post up runs.

Sedona is gorgeous! I have been up there but haven't taken the Jeep up there yet. If up around there, hookup with Nena of Barlowe's Jeep School. Awesome lady!
I do not belong to any Jeep clubs YET. But I would LOVE to hit the trails with some experienced Jeeper of course. No dummy here! I found this cool Arizona Trail book at Barnes & Noble:

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Both lifts are good choices but IMO TF has better customer service. Both of them are a much better choice than Pro Comp.

I would really get some reference on the specific 4WDParts shop. Some shops have more than a couple unsatisfied customers and it really depends on how that particular store is managed.
Thanks SPINLOCK. What are some common complaints you have heard of or things I should look for or ask?
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Hi there,
I have a Rubicon Express 3.5 short arm with shocks it looks and rides great I’m just waiting for my Cooper 35x12.5x17. I plan on keeping the stock rims and go with a spacer.
I went with the Rubicon Express to save some money it was about 300 less than the Tereflex.
Both are good lifts.
However, you may want to get a Superchip to change the settings for your 17 Nitto 35x12.50R17, Trail Grappler the chip will return the power you lost with the larger tires. They run ~$250-300. It does a lot more then change the settings for your tires.
You won’t go wrong with any of the lifts you chose.
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Thank you JOE DIRT 357. What is this "Superchip" you speak of? Do you have a link or brand I can research. They did add a $185 charge for "speedometer calibration". Is this similar to what you are talking about?
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Only coils I would run on your choices are OME and AEV.
I know OME and AVE are also good brands. I did have the 2.5" AVE package on the list and I am still considering it as it is around $1000 as well.

AEV 2.5 XT Dual Sport Lift = $959
+ Bilstein 5100 Steering Stabalizer = $80ea x2 = $160

Does this kit beat RE or TF?
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Having all 8 adjustable CA's allows the axles to be repositioned in the wheel wells. This i assume is what you are asking "front uppers/rear lowers"
Single set (either) front = caster
Rear uppers = pinion.
If you don't crawl big rocks, look into front geometry correction brackets. Caster/handling improved for around $100

As far as whets "needed". That is hard to answer, there's too many variables. #1 how much height the coils give you. It comes down to coil rating and any weight added to the jeep.

Did you go through the sticky section in Jk Tech, especially "newby's guide to lifting your JK" and "lifting in steps" ?

Out of those listed, I like Teraflex
The 2.5" coil lift is a nice start and generally gives around 2.5" of actual lift. Ive recommended the TF 2.5" and Rancho 9000 shocks to a lot of folks. This is a very popular combo. Add lower CA's for caster and if you choose -a track bar up front. The axle won't be shifted much, but a stronger track bar will add rigidity to the steering and help prevent DW. The TF 2.5 comes with a rear axle side bracket which should center the axle pretty close. Also 9/16 shouldered bolts for lower CA'a and 2 track bars.

Read my sticky posts and if you still have any questions ... Ask
Thank you KJEEPER10.

From my research and reading it seems one does not need the control arm for a 2.5" lift? That is why im still asking because I am still confused. lol. They would run around $450 for front lower and rear upper. I don't plan on climbing any HUGE rocks but you know I will attempt a few here and there. With any of these 2.5" setups (RE, TF or AEV) would warrant serious rock climbing. Just some mud boggin and trail exploring.

I sure did read the "newby's guide to lifting your JK" and many other research articles and videos that where VERY helpful. One of my favs is "" by TeraFlex. Another helpful thread is JK Lift Reviews.
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I am going with the RE 3.5". Looks to be a good kit. If you go with this, get the Rancho CA correction brackets in stead of using the supplied cam bolts. You'll lose a little bit of clearance but much better than the cam bolts that come with the kit. 4WP here in Dallas suggested the RE kit over Teraflex because there won't be a lot of part changes when I want to upgrade. Something to consider as well.
Thank you GEAUXWILLETT. I am going with a 2.5" to avoid buying all these extra components. I started at a 4" lift. After research I brought it down to 3.5". But once again more parts are needed. As long as I can fit 35" tires and do some fun Arizona exploring I am all good. I do not need to destroy my only auto as I need it to get me around the city as well.
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Thank you KJEEPER10. From my research and reading it seems one does not need the control arm for a 2.5" lift? That is why im still asking because I am still confused. lol. They would run around $450 for front lower and rear upper. I don't plan on climbing any HUGE rocks but you know I will attempt a few here and there. With any of these 2.5" setups (RE, TF or AEV) would warrant serious rock climbing. Just some mud boggin and trail exploring. I sure did read the "newby's guide to lifting your JK" and many other research articles and videos that where VERY helpful. One of my favs is "" by TeraFlex. Another helpful thread is JK Lift Reviews.
Simple answer ... Caster

Yes ... 2.5" of "actual" height shouldn't cause any issues with caster or DS's
I'll use RK for example. Their 2.5's gave me almost 4" of lift, most aftermarket coils are rated for weight. Meaning bumpers/winch/armor etc.
I don't know much about RE and their coils.

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Simple answer ... Caster

Yes ... 2.5" of "actual" height shouldn't cause any issues with caster or DS's
I'll use RK for example. Their 2.5's gave me almost 4" of lift, most aftermarket coils are rated for weight. Meaning bumpers/winch/armor etc.
I don't know much about RE and their coils.

Hopefully this helps
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I totally understand. I plan on adding lots of gear. A front Rugged Ridge XHD mod bumper with a Smittybilt X20 8,000lb winch is one of the first things I will add within a month after. I am also placing the Hi-Lift 48" X-Treme Jack on the hood.

On the short list is a back bumper, tire carrier, exhaust, intake, snorkel, replace current rock sliders, lights plus lots more.
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Do you belong to the AZ Virtual Jeep Club (just google it-not hard to find)? They schedule a lot of runs and lots of those folks have TONS of experience. I went on a run at Table Mesa back in January - over 100 Jeeps! It was AWESOME! A few from AZVJC are also members here. There is also an AZ board here on WF in the "State Specific" forum sometimes folks post up runs.

Sedona is gorgeous! I have been up there but haven't taken the Jeep up there yet. If up around there, hookup with Nena of Barlowe's Jeep School. Awesome lady!

I recommend Barlowe's also! Rented from there, the jeeps are set up great and the prices are pretty good too! Very nice people also!
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I totally understand. I plan on adding lots of gear. A front Rugged Ridge XHD mod bumper with a Smittybilt X20 8,000lb winch is one of the first things I will add within a month after. I am also placing the Hi-Lift 48" X-Treme Jack on the hood. On the short list is a back bumper, tire carrier, exhaust, intake, snorkel, replace current rock sliders, lights plus lots more.
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Ok to answer about 4 wheel parts. To purchase stuff fantastic. Now the install department that is a different story. Quality is not consistent, Phoenix shop--went in for a 4 wheel alignment right after the lift was put on. I marked where all the arms were adjusted, and I knew that they needed final adjustment. I told them the same thing....they assured me that I was in good hands....2 hours later ....said it was done. I asked what was done, and they told me that all arms were adjusted and they aligned the steering wheel.

So I looked and the control arms were not touched and the steering wheel was aligned when I came in, when I asked for the printout they could not produce it. I asked to speak to the manager and he could not answer any of my questions, I shoed him the marks I made...needless to say in the end with a lot of arguing I did not have to pay.


As far as lift you should decide is this a rock crawler build or a overland expedition.... If it is expedition ... AEV is the only choice in my opinion. Car like driving ...no issues with pinion or caster...great build quality.

Now if you want a hybrid, that's where metal cloak and teraflex excel. I went with teraflex because of the quality product and customer service. Rock krawler is an excellent kit. Metal cloak is new but has hit the market by storm.

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Thank you KJEEPER10. From my research and reading it seems one does not need the control arm for a 2.5" lift? That is why im still asking because I am still confused. lol. They would run around $450 for front lower and rear upper. I don't plan on climbing any HUGE rocks but you know I will attempt a few here and there. With any of these 2.5" setups (RE, TF or AEV) would warrant serious rock climbing. Just some mud boggin and trail exploring. I sure did read the "newby's guide to lifting your JK" and many other research articles and videos that where VERY helpful. One of my favs is "" by TeraFlex. Another helpful thread is JK Lift Reviews.
Install the coils and springs. THEN, and only then, decide what is NEEDED. If doing a small lift, it's not going to hurt to drive around with less than perfect geometry for a few days
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Unless I'm blind, and you answered already, do you have a 2dr or 4dr and which gearing do you have ? Granted, with the manual you could get away with if the gearing is "off" BUT, if you have and unlimited with 3.21 gears and 35' tires "might" be a struggle.

If you get the AEV kit just make sure you get the extra bracket for about 100. If you want to do some rock crawling, I wouldn't get the AEV 2.5
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Unless I'm blind, and you answered already, do you have a 2dr or 4dr and which gearing do you have ? Granted, with the manual you could get away with if the gearing is "off" BUT, if you have and unlimited with 3.21 gears and 35' tires "might" be a struggle.

If you get the AEV kit just make sure you get the extra bracket for about 100. If you want to do some rock crawling, I wouldn't get the AEV 2.5
I have a 2dr with 3.73 gears and plan on running 35 tires.
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Ok I have decided on a lift/wheels/tires package. It will be installed this week by OTG Motor Sports in North Phoenix. I have a Rock Krawler Bomb Proof Adjustable Track Bar on its way and I will be replacing the steering stabilizer but not sure on which one. I will post before and after pictures once complete.

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Go with the fox ats. It's truly is the best.
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Thank you JOE DIRT 357. What is this "Superchip" you speak of? Do you have a link or brand I can research. They did add a $185 charge for "speedometer calibration". Is this similar to what you are talking about?
Amazon.com: Superchips 3870 Flashpaq for Jeep Gas vehicle: Automotive

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Superchips Part 3872 - F4 Flashpaq Programmer

Here you go they allow you to change settings with your jeep this one works well I have the Superchips, flashpaq for Jeep 3870.
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Pro Comp 315x70R17, Xtreme MT2
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