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Old 11-18-2013, 10:24 PM   #1
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Questions on MOPAR lift.

Ok so unfortunately I do not have the time nor experience with lift-kits to do my own lift right now, but I know I want a 2.5in. I'll put 33 inch duratracs on 15 inch wheels.

I like the idea of the MOPAR lift (which I know is just a teraflex kit), but the standard dealer pricing on it is like 1600+labor.

That seems awfully high for a 2.5 inch lift. Does anybody know exactly what's included in the kit? The MOPAR website is pretty horribly put together and I couldn't find the details I was looking for.

Is there a reason this kit costs that much? Does it come with a bunch of extra parts that aren't absolutely necessary but still a good idea? Or should I just get the $950 AEV 2.5 inch lift and youtube the hell out of the install like I did with my Mustang suspension?

I know I want AEV or MOPAR simply because those two kits are specifically tuned for the application - this is a daily driven rig and it's going to stay that way, I just want a bit of extra ground clearance. I'm willing to pay a bit extra for that R&D but $1600 seems way high. I called a few other dealers in the area and they all had the exact same price.

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they sell them on quadratec, start there.

it costs that much because you are buying it from a dealer.

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they sell them on quadratec, start there.

it costs that much because you are buying it from a dealer.
Yeah I know the dealer marks things up, but $1600 is SO much more than any 2.5 inch lift I can find from Teraflex, which is what the MOPAR lift is.

So I'm wondering....are there a few extra things in the MOPAR lift that aren't on the Teraflex? Or is the branding and dealer mark-up actually THAT big?

Does anybody know which Teraflex kit is the equivalent of the MOPAR 2.5in lift?
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No, the markup is actually that much because stupid people pay it.

Purchase something better for cheaper, make time, and have someone help you. It's not rocket science, it doesn't take that long, and you'll learn a lot.
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A kits is just that a kit. Unless spending big money- most kits are not complete with everything needed.
The problem with the Mopar kits, there's no adjustability. I don't think track bars are even included.

Overpriced for what it is like already mentioned.
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Price is only one factor to consider... value is another. After trying just about everybody else' adjustable control arms on my TJ with regular joint/bushing failures over 16 years, I decided to go with the Mopar Stage III with fixed length control arms on our new JKU and couldn't be happier with just over 20K now. The speed bumps in the front are worth their weight in gold to me for the desert roads we travel, and I've had absolutely NO alignment issues, bad bushings, joints, death wobble, shimmy, or any other lift/steering/braking issue.

Someone above in this post thinks those that select this kit are "stupid", but with the limiting straps, speed bumps, and exhaust spacers included, the price becomes competitive, and since I've had ZERO issues of any kind, I certainly don't feel stupid, and would highly recommend this lift to anyone thinking high quality lift kit.

This kit is perfect IMO for 35s, but if you go to 37s, you will want an adjustable front track bar. The kit comes with the great Teraflex relocation bracket for the rear track bar.
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I have the 3" stage 3 Mopar lift and got it for around 1900 shipped and installed myself.
Given the recent threads on adjustable arms needing so much service or they are trashed I'm partial to "set for me" fixed arms that I won't need to screw around with, EVER. Unless you are building a lift in stages with multiple intermediate goals on height adjustable arms are unnecessary. I got a GREAT 3" lift with teraflex speed bumps, monster front track bar, and limit straps for under 2K. Try that with AEV or any other manufacturer for that matter. Fox remote reservoir shock kits from AEV without are 2400 bucks and don't have nearly the spec as the mopar 3" lift. For my daily driver and light off road with occasional fast off road it's the perfect lift for me.
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I have the 3" stage 3 Mopar lift and got it for around 1900 shipped and installed myself. Given the recent threads on adjustable arms needing so much service or they are trashed I'm partial to "set for me" fixed arms that I won't need to screw around with, EVER. Unless you are building a lift in stages with multiple intermediate goals on height adjustable arms are unnecessary. I got a GREAT 3" lift with teraflex speed bumps, monster front track bar, and limit straps for under 2K. Try that with AEV or any other manufacturer for that matter. Fox remote reservoir shock kits from AEV without are 2400 bucks and don't have nearly the spec as the mopar 3" lift. For my daily driver and light off road with occasional fast off road it's the perfect lift for me.
That's not bad since you installed yourself.
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Price is only one factor to consider... value is another. After trying just about everybody else' adjustable control arms on my TJ with regular joint/bushing failures over 16 years, I decided to go with the Mopar Stage III with fixed length control arms on our new JKU and couldn't be happier with just over 20K now. The speed bumps in the front are worth their weight in gold to me for the desert roads we travel, and I've had absolutely NO alignment issues, bad bushings, joints, death wobble, shimmy, or any other lift/steering/braking issue.

Someone above in this post thinks those that select this kit are "stupid", but with the limiting straps, speed bumps, and exhaust spacers included, the price becomes competitive, and since I've had ZERO issues of any kind, I certainly don't feel stupid, and would highly recommend this lift to anyone thinking high quality lift kit.

This kit is perfect IMO for 35s, but if you go to 37s, you will want an adjustable front track bar. The kit comes with the great Teraflex relocation bracket for the rear track bar.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
Not sure if you mean a Mopar 2.5" lift or Stage III. The 2.5" lift from the dealer will probably be overpriced- and don't think because its Mopar you're getting any better warranty. Probably not worth it- better kits out there.
IMO a Teraflex 2.5 lift is a great option. (Tera Flex makes most of the components for the Stage III)
If you're referring to Stage III-
I also have Mopar Stage III. Love it- and USE all the extra components. Not a single alignment or steering issue. However for a DD its probably overkill and not worth the cost. You will get little to no use from the limit straps, speed bumps or Fox Resi's on a pavement only Jeep. But here ya go-
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Price is only one factor to consider... value is another. After trying just about everybody else' adjustable control arms on my TJ with regular joint/bushing failures over 16 years, I decided to go with the Mopar Stage III with fixed length control arms on our new JKU and couldn't be happier with just over 20K now. The speed bumps in the front are worth their weight in gold to me for the desert roads we travel, and I've had absolutely NO alignment issues, bad bushings, joints, death wobble, shimmy, or any other lift/steering/braking issue.

Someone above in this post thinks those that select this kit are "stupid", but with the limiting straps, speed bumps, and exhaust spacers included, the price becomes competitive, and since I've had ZERO issues of any kind, I certainly don't feel stupid, and would highly recommend this lift to anyone thinking high quality lift kit.

This kit is perfect IMO for 35s, but if you go to 37s, you will want an adjustable front track bar. The kit comes with the great Teraflex relocation bracket for the rear track bar.
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I have the 3" stage 3 Mopar lift and got it for around 1900 shipped and installed myself.
Given the recent threads on adjustable arms needing so much service or they are trashed I'm partial to "set for me" fixed arms that I won't need to screw around with, EVER. Unless you are building a lift in stages with multiple intermediate goals on height adjustable arms are unnecessary. I got a GREAT 3" lift with teraflex speed bumps, monster front track bar, and limit straps for under 2K. Try that with AEV or any other manufacturer for that matter. Fox remote reservoir shock kits from AEV without are 2400 bucks and don't have nearly the spec as the mopar 3" lift. For my daily driver and light off road with occasional fast off road it's the perfect lift for me.
I really enjoy all of this passion defending a MOPAR product! I don't think I've read anything like it before. It makes me feel better about all of the empty boxes in my garage with the blue and white labels.

However, you are missing the value of the adjustable arms and that is they can adjust Caster which is always a useful feature. I'm not sure what CA failure threads you are referring to, but I am sure there a few. I have yet to see a high quality adjustable CA failure of anything but the joints when properly installed. The only reason to give up the option of adjustability is to keep the stock bushings which are arguably the best. The Fox shocks alone make the kit worth while, although if I had the choice, at that level I would go with Kings.

Regarding the price paid, we all overpay or underpay for parts. Whether its perception of quality and differentiation, peace of mind or a limited budget. IMO, it's better to overpay for a good product than to underpay for low end one when it comes the suspension system and driveline.

Interesting how you only compare it to AEV. I guess it's the gold standard.
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I really enjoy all of this passion defending a MOPAR product! I don't think I've read anything like it before. It makes me feel better about all of the empty boxes in my garage with the blue and white labels.

However, you are missing the value of the adjustable arms and that is they can adjust Caster which is always a useful feature. I'm not sure what CA failure threads you are referring to, but I am sure there a few. I have yet to see a high quality adjustable CA failure of anything but the joints when properly installed. The only reason to give up the option of adjustability is to keep the stock bushings which are arguably the best. The Fox shocks alone make the kit worth while, although if I had the choice, at that level I would go with Kings.

Regarding the price paid, we all overpay or underpay for parts. Whether its perception of quality and differentiation, peace of mind or a limited budget. IMO, it's better to overpay for a good product than to underpay for low end one when it comes the suspension system and driveline.

Interesting how you only compare it to AEV. I guess it's the gold standard.

I believe the AEV comparison is in reference to the OPs original post- he is between Mopar and AEV.
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AEV and Mopar aren’t “tuned” for the application (like daily driving). They are good for daily driving and light wheeling because of what you get in the kit (or what you don’t). A Rock Krawler or Teraflex kit can ride just as well on the road and is more adaptable/buildable/capable than the other 2.

Out of an AEV 2.5” or Mopar 2.5” I would go AEV hands down and a lot of the regulars on here know how anti AEV I am (mostly on their 3.5 and 4.5”). AEV’s 2.5” isn’t a bad kit. I wouldn’t drop any amount of cash they ask for a Mopar. The AEV comes with everything you need including bilsteins for about a grand, right? Easy install, do it yourself. You’ll feel better, learn about your Jeep and save a lot of money.

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After trying just about everybody else' adjustable control arms on my TJ with regular joint/bushing failures over 16 years,
It doesn't sound like you ever used the joints worth buying.
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It doesn't sound like you ever used the joints worth buying.
How did I know Imped would sniff this one out

Very curious what he's run for joints ?
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About the only thing missing on that mopar 3" lift is a front trackbar. If you got the 3" for 1900, that's a good deal. And BTW - the 2 and 4" mopar lifts are made by superlift, not teraflex. The only one made my teraflex is the 3"...
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A couple folks asked what arms I used over the years so here ya go, not that it really matters a bit now as things always change and so do designs. I went through a set of RE, two sets of Teraflex, and a set of JKS. Currie was put on last and seemed the best to me at the time I moved into the JK.
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Just a note about buying "quality"...

When I started building my '97 TJ the end of '96, nobody had a lift other than Skyjacker. Nobody had adjustable control arms, so if you didn't fab your own parts (which I can't) you'ld buy what was available. BTW... the internet was in its infancy and there was no Jeep Wrangler Forum - Jeep Wrangler Owners Community or anything else available to compare other TJ owners experiences. 4 Wheeler hadn't started a TJ build or reported on one when I started. Since I was building what amounted to the first lifted TJ in Denver, it was often a shot in the dark.

A final question on the Mopar Stage III lift... If anyone has heard or read of someone having issues with this lift in any way, I'd like to hear about it. So far, all I read is opinion about cost vs value, but I've never seen anyone say they had a problem with it. I can't think of any other lift that I can say that about.
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Just to clarify the Mopar stage 3 kit is not one of our lifts, we do supply a few things for the kit like the speed bumps and the springs but most of the other parts they source else where (control arms for instance).
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Here is the link for all the Moper kits:http://moparonlineparts.com/jeep-wra...28_58_398.html or MOPAR® Lift Kits - Quadratec

Here is the instruction video for the stage III.


The stage III is the only Mopar with CA (not adjustable). It contains Teraflex speed bumps and Fox remote reservoir shocks but doesn't have the front track bar. Strange as the other kits all have the front trackbar. The other kits without the CA have adjustable alignment cams to correct the caster.

The stage III looks like a quality lift but question why it does not have the adjustable front track bar.

Comparing to Teraflex kits is comparing apple and oranges. They don't contain the same components.

For me the thing I look at for comparison is how is geometry corrected. Does the kit address everything? For Caster you have to have Cam/alignment bolts, Drop brackets, or new control arms. For centering axles and correcting roll center you will need trackbar brackets and adjustable track bars.

I haven't chosen a lift yet. Still debating.
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and by the way I'm trying to contribute to the conversation. I'm still new to Jeeps and have learned a lot from this forum over the last year.
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Just to clarify the Mopar stage 3 kit is not one of our lifts, we do supply a few things for the kit like the speed bumps and the springs but most of the other parts they source else where (control arms for instance).
Whoa ... That's news to me.
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A couple folks asked what arms I used over the years so here ya go, not that it really matters a bit now as things always change and so do designs. I went through a set of RE, two sets of Teraflex, and a set of JKS. Currie was put on last and seemed the best to me at the time I moved into the JK.
If you would've spent more time with the last one and less time with the others, you would've been much happier.
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Just a note about buying "quality"...

When I started building my '97 TJ the end of '96, nobody had a lift other than Skyjacker. Nobody had adjustable control arms, so if you didn't fab your own parts (which I can't) you'ld buy what was available. BTW... the internet was in its infancy and there was no Jeep Wrangler Forum - Jeep Wrangler Owners Community or anything else available to compare other TJ owners experiences. 4 Wheeler hadn't started a TJ build or reported on one when I started. Since I was building what amounted to the first lifted TJ in Denver, it was often a shot in the dark.

A final question on the Mopar Stage III lift... If anyone has heard or read of someone having issues with this lift in any way, I'd like to hear about it. So far, all I read is opinion about cost vs value, but I've never seen anyone say they had a problem with it. I can't think of any other lift that I can say that about.
The link suspension market has come a long way....but so has consumer education. If you're a truly educated consumer, you know the difference between the bad stuff (majority of the stuff out there) and the good stuff.
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Whoa ... That's news to me.
Yeah, we send our share of the lift components to Mopar they then hold them and send out complete kits to the dealers, this is why there is some times a delay in when the kits get delivered. Take for instance the fox shocks, they come directly from fox and are not the same ones we sell.
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I have a 2" Mopar kit on my 2013 JKU (Mopar went from 2.5" to 2" when they changed engines (probably to avoid exhaust spacer issue). My kit came with the following:
  • Coil Springs
  • Front Track Bar
  • Brake Line Brackets
  • Cam Bolts
  • Rear Track Bar Bracket
  • Steering Stabilizer
  • Shocks
  • Sway Bar Links
  • Bump Stops
At first, I hated it. It rode harsh and was bouncy. I was really upset and thought that I took a nice riding vehicle and ruined it, mostly for looks. I started a thread on this forum asking if this was normal, and was told that it would settle down after about 1,000 miles. Fortunately, the people on this forum know what they are talking about and after about 750 miles the ride improved. If it didn't improve, I would have tossed it -- it was that bad. Now, with about 2,000 miles it has gotten even better however, I noticed a slight sag in the front passenger side of my Jeep (it was about 1/2 lower than the driver side). I took it back to the dealer and they claim that it is a bad spring in the rear. They ordered new rear springs, which are scheduled to be installed next week -- yes, dealer is covering this as a warranty repair-- so, for that, I am glad I went this route.

So what can I share with someone considering a Mopar lift kit?

1) Dealer's prices are negotiable. They matched Quadratec's price on the lift (and no shipping) and gave a significant discussant on the installation too;
2) Sponsors of this forum sell the kit for less than Quadratec so shop around;
3) So far, my dealer is standing behind the product and its work;
3) I have had a problem with my lift, so I cannot attest to its quality or durability;
4) Other than the above problem, the ride is okay. it handles better on road and off but is still a bit on the harsh and bouncy side -- but hey -- it is a Jeep! And it looks good!;
5) If I had to do it again, would I go with a Mopar kit? NO! I would either go with an AEV 2.5" and geo-brackets, which would be cheaper, come with better shocks and fit 35's (a 2"' is cutting it really close with 35's) or I would save some serious $$ and go with a budget boost. The savings would cover a good chunk of the cost for wheels and tires. Just my .02

Let us know what you decide and how it works out.
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I have a 2" Mopar kit on my 2013 JKU (Mopar went from 2.5" to 2" when they changed engines (probably to avoid exhaust spacer issue). My kit came with the following:[*]Coil Springs[*]Front Track Bar[*]Brake Line Brackets[*]Cam Bolts[*]Rear Track Bar Bracket[*]Steering Stabilizer[*]Shocks[*]Sway Bar Links[*]Bump Stops At first, I hated it. It rode harsh and was bouncy. I was really upset and thought that I took a nice riding vehicle and ruined it, mostly for looks. I started a thread on this forum asking if this was normal, and was told that it would settle down after about 1,000 miles. Fortunately, the people on this forum know what they are talking about and after about 750 miles the ride improved. If it didn't improve, I would have tossed it -- it was that bad. Now, with about 2,000 miles it has gotten even better however, I noticed a slight sag in the front passenger side of my Jeep (it was about 1/2 lower than the driver side). I took it back to the dealer and they claim that it is a bad spring in the rear. They ordered new rear springs, which are scheduled to be installed next week -- yes, dealer is covering this as a warranty repair-- so, for that, I am glad I went this route. So what can I share with someone considering a Mopar lift kit? 1) Dealer's prices are negotiable. They matched Quadratec's price on the lift (and no shipping) and gave a significant discussant on the installation too; 2) Sponsors of this forum sell the kit for less than Quadratec so shop around; 3) So far, my dealer is standing behind the product and its work; 3) I have had a problem with my lift, so I cannot attest to its quality or durability; 4) Other than the above problem, the ride is okay. it handles better on road and off but is still a bit on the harsh and bouncy side -- but hey -- it is a Jeep! And it looks good!; 5) If I had to do it again, would I go with a Mopar kit? NO! I would either go with an AEV 2.5" and geo-brackets, which would be cheaper, come with better shocks and fit 35's (a 2"' is cutting it really close with 35's) or I would save some serious $$ and go with a budget boost. The savings would cover a good chunk of the cost for wheels and tires. Just my .02 Let us know what you decide and how it works out.
Which shocks ?
Why don't you scrap the cam bolts and buy some lower CA's ?
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Old 11-20-2013, 07:27 PM   #27
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Yeah, we send our share of the lift components to Mopar they then hold them and send out complete kits to the dealers, this is why there is some times a delay in when the kits get delivered. Take for instance the fox shocks, they come directly from fox and are not the same ones we sell.
Just to clarify the Mopar stage 3 kit is not one of our lifts, we do supply a few things for the kit like the speed bumps and the springs but most of the other parts they source else where (control arms for instance).

Huh. That is interesting. Ie: We called Mopar for replacement limit straps- and were told they were identical to the TF ones and were the same part #. Ordered (longer ones) from TF who confirmed- and who supplied straps with the same stamping and design. Just said TF on the material. Reservoir mounts appear to be TF. We needed extra hardware and were told to order from TF. Sway bar links, spring retainer kit, rear track bar bracket, brake line extension brackets, exhaust spacers... look awfully familiar. As in, seen on TFs website. The Fox shocks sold with this kit are the same model # that you sell on your website. Unless you are referring to custom valving? Strange......
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Thanks for all the great replies guys. I think I'll probably end up getting a non-mopar lift and installing it myself. I'm sure I can find time over christmas break. I'm sure one of the local jeepers wouldn't mind helping me out wth the install....it's an Army post so like half of us have jeeps anyways.
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Just to clarify the Mopar stage 3 kit is not one of our lifts, we do supply a few things for the kit like the speed bumps and the springs but most of the other parts they source else where (control arms for instance). Huh. That is interesting. Ie: We called Mopar for replacement limit straps- and were told they were identical to the TF ones and were the same part #. Ordered (longer ones) from TF who confirmed- and who supplied straps with the same stamping and design. Just said TF on the material. Reservoir mounts appear to be TF. We needed extra hardware and were told to order from TF. Sway bar links, spring retainer kit, rear track bar bracket, brake line extension brackets, exhaust spacers... look awfully familiar. As in, seen on TFs website. The Fox shocks sold with this kit are the same model # that you sell on your website. Unless you are referring to custom valving? Strange......
I know that's crazy. Especially with the shocks. The TF tuned fox are tuned rather nice for a JK.
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Just to clarify the Mopar stage 3 kit is not one of our lifts, we do supply a few things for the kit like the speed bumps and the springs but most of the other parts they source else where (control arms for instance).

Huh. That is interesting. Ie: We called Mopar for replacement limit straps- and were told they were identical to the TF ones and were the same part #. Ordered (longer ones) from TF who confirmed- and who supplied straps with the same stamping and design. Just said TF on the material. Reservoir mounts appear to be TF. We needed extra hardware and were told to order from TF. Sway bar links, spring retainer kit, rear track bar bracket, brake line extension brackets, exhaust spacers... look awfully familiar. As in, seen on TFs website. The Fox shocks sold with this kit are the same model # that you sell on your website. Unless you are referring to custom valving? Strange......
Sorry I should have said some of the parts, not most. The Shocks I can promise, are not the same ones that we sell, we have custom proprietary valving in ours that we worked with fox to develop. Teraflex does not manufacturer a non adjustable arm either.

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