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Old 05-29-2014, 07:24 PM   #1
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I have been basically obsessing over the prospect of lifting my jeep and I was all set on moving forward with the MOPAR stage 3 lift kit. I got it priced out at 2295 for parts and ~1000 in labor.

Just to cover all of my bases, I went to a local offroad shop and asked some questions.

I showed him the MOPAR kit and we both agreed that for my intended use, its probably a bit overkill. In fact, he went on to call it a "west coast kit", meant for a lot of "woops" and prerunning. Which i'll buy, those fox shocks are definitely not needed for daily driving and they provide the extra ooomph for running at high speeds.

So we then decided to take a look at the Teraflex 3" kit WITHOUT shocks (~800), and he recommended I go with the bilstein 5100's (~400 total). Then he recommended rough country control arms kit (uppers and lowers, front and rear, ~700 total). and to top it off, a JKS adjustable track bar kit to eliminate the threat of death wobble (~270). then about 7 hours of labor.

All said and done, that frankenstein kit costs about ~$3000 parts and labor.

I can get the MOPAR stage 3 kit for damn near the same price and I'm certain everything fits well and works together.

After my local shop visit, I think I'm now more convinced to go the MOPAR route. If I get it installed at the dealer, that will probably facilitate a better relationship than if I were to bring in my Jeep with some aftermarket kit installed by someone they dont know. I have read a lot about people on here dealing with dealerships that decide to honor warranty claims for MOPAR kits, even if they arent contractually obligated to.

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Price the Frankenstein kit parts through our vendors and Im sure you can get them cheaper, then find some friends to do the install with you.
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I'm only 1700 deep in my X factor kit with shocks and it's $550 to install. Your numbers look pretty high. Send a message to Jason at Krawl Offroad...he's got great prices and very good advice
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Old 05-29-2014, 09:58 PM   #5
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My rough country control arm hiem ends only lasted 5 months before 2 of them completely exploded inside. I replaced all the hiems with rustys off road pieces. Night and day difference in the size and quality of the joint. Basically stay away from the rough country arms. There's a reason they are reasonably priced. I learned the hard way
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RC used their version of a flex joint or spherical joint.
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I've got over 30K miles on our '13 JKU with Mopar Stage III lift and I COULD NOT BE HAPPIER! I do suggest replacing all the suspension bolts to save yourself in the long run. The lift is perfect for 35" tires, but if you go to 37's as I have done, you will need an adjustable front control arm. The rubber bushing, fixed length control arms is the primary reason I bought this lift as I went through just about everybody else' flexey arm joints on my TJ. I was looking for long term reliability... so far so good, and the lift flexes so well that limiting straps are required.
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Hey everyone,

I have been basically obsessing over the prospect of lifting my jeep and I was all set on moving forward with the MOPAR stage 3 lift kit. I got it priced out at 2295 for parts and ~1000 in labor.

Just to cover all of my bases, I went to a local offroad shop and asked some questions.

I showed him the MOPAR kit and we both agreed that for my intended use, its probably a bit overkill. In fact, he went on to call it a "west coast kit", meant for a lot of "woops" and prerunning. Which i'll buy, those fox shocks are definitely not needed for daily driving and they provide the extra ooomph for running at high speeds.

So we then decided to take a look at the Teraflex 3" kit WITHOUT shocks (~800), and he recommended I go with the bilstein 5100's (~400 total). Then he recommended rough country control arms kit (uppers and lowers, front and rear, ~700 total). and to top it off, a JKS adjustable track bar kit to eliminate the threat of death wobble (~270). then about 7 hours of labor.

All said and done, that frankenstein kit costs about ~$3000 parts and labor.

I can get the MOPAR stage 3 kit for damn near the same price and I'm certain everything fits well and works together.

After my local shop visit, I think I'm now more convinced to go the MOPAR route. If I get it installed at the dealer, that will probably facilitate a better relationship than if I were to bring in my Jeep with some aftermarket kit installed by someone they dont know. I have read a lot about people on here dealing with dealerships that decide to honor warranty claims for MOPAR kits, even if they arent contractually obligated to.
I can get you set up. PM me. I can probably get you a Teraflex kit for less with Bilstein 5100's

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The Fox shocks are great- one thing I wouldn't change- sorry Daniel. Ditch the hydraulic bumpstops before you change the shocks. I love my Stage III but agree its high-priced if you don't plan to use it for its intended purpose. That said- nearly every single person that gets in my Jeep on 35s is surprised at how well it drives/rides on and off road- so there are certainly bonuses as a DD.
It does come with a lot of bits that add up when you price separately- why your Frankenstein kit isn't that cheap. Have you looked at 3.5" Rock Krawler w/Fox? Lots of good reviews on the adjustable Ranchos- though the non-adjustable Ranchos on my truck suck.
Don't have any expectations of getting "special" treatment because its Mopar. Your average dealership doesn't know crap about lifts and they won't care if its Mopar or not. Its not warranted and it won't be- with the sole exception of dealers who may honor the work THEY do on your Mopar lift.
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I would not go to that shop again!

That MOPAR stage 3 kit is very complete. Designed in conjunction with Fox and Teraflex, photo shows it comes with exhaust spacer, 4 arms for the rear, 2 arms for the front, Speed bumps in the front, limiting straps, the list goes on. I just dont see the adjustable track bar and you'll probably want an AEV ProCal to adjust for running larger tires.

Where did you find it for $2,295?? I'm seeing prices of $2,500-$3,500
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I would not go to that shop again!

That MOPAR stage 3 kit is very complete. Designed in conjunction with Fox and Teraflex, photo shows it comes with exhaust spacer, 4 arms for the rear, 2 arms for the front, Speed bumps in the front, limiting straps, the list goes on. I just dont see the adjustable track bar and you'll probably want an AEV ProCal to adjust for running larger tires.

Where did you find it for $2,295?? I'm seeing prices of $2,500-$3,500
That's about what we paid.
Mopar Stage 3 Series 3” Lift Kit - P5156140 & P5156141
We found a 10% off coupon/code at the time which was great- but that was 2 years ago.
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Old 06-02-2014, 10:33 PM   #12
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After reading this and many other posts. I am going to save myself the headache and go with the Mopar Lift for my Rubicon. Its expensive but very good. I guess overkill in the suspension is not a bad thing for a 4x4. Looking at all the SEMA videos on youtubes most have these Mopar lifts with FOX shocks, etc. I want to run 37's on my daily driver without any issues on pavement and tear it up come deer season at the ranch.
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Old 06-03-2014, 07:34 AM   #13
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Wow, sorry for the delay! I didn't realize people were commenting on the thread (damn gmail!)

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most definitely. I will not be returning to that shop.

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Where did you find it for $2,295?? I'm seeing prices of $2,500-$3,500
Jake Sweeney CJD in Cincinnati gave me that price. I have not had any bad experiences with them and they are always friendly. I was ready to move forward with the stage 3 kit with them. Then someone gave me advice to check out a shop across the river in Kentucky. Needless to say, I liked what I heard and this dude has decades of experience, writes for Jeep magazine, etc etc etc. He knows his stuff. I asked him his thoughts on the kit and he thought the kit was wayyyy too expensive, because of all of the markups, amongst other comments.

Everyone else...thanks for your valuable feedback and recommendations.

In the end, I am electing for a BDS 2" suspension kit. This kit is the only in the industry that I am aware of that offers a supplemental warranty to cover what the lifetime warranty doesnt. In addition, Im going to get a new JKS adjustable front track bar. I will be going with Dick Cepek 33's and AE offroad 17's.

All that including install will put me under what I was quoted at for the suspension kit/labor.
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Old 06-03-2014, 03:25 PM   #14
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The mopar stage 3 is one of the most complete kits on the market and am sure it will be a great kit for what you are looking for.
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The mopar stage 3 is one of the most complete kits on the market and am sure it will be a great kit for what you are looking for.
no doubt the kit is complete. But I do not now, nor do I ever, intend to drive my jeep to utilize all of the components of the kit to their full potential.

The external reservoir fox shocks are extreme overkill, really only necessary for high speed, frequent full compression.

The speed bumps are also for high speed like prerunner type stuff. I don't live anywhere close to any terrain like that.

But for my intended use, the kit is, in my opinion, a waste of money. that is not a reflection on my feelings of the quality of the components, I just think it is not for me based on some more research I've done.
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Old 06-04-2014, 07:48 AM   #16
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But for my intended use, the kit is, in my opinion, a waste of money. that is not a reflection on my feelings of the quality of the components, I just think it is not for me based on some more research I've done.
Many could say the same exact thing about getting a rubicon over a sport for example. I have both a rubicon X and the mopar stage 3 lift. I read all the kits bashing and about how expensive it is and shock/bumpstops are overkill yada yada yada. What I have yet to see is really any complaints from owners.

That being so almost everything added to 90% of jeeps is overkill and/or done just for looks. Lots of people drop more money on "cool" looking bumpers that arent needed than lift kits.

I'll let the OP decide how he wants to spend HIS money but I say that the price quoted for mopar kit and install is a good one. Chances are the dealer will also warranty the kit for 3yr/36k miles as well.

So far the only complaint I have about my mopar stage 3" is that I have to listen to my wife tell me I need to get some sort of step for her
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Thanks DiscDog for your very valuable experience and feedback. And we are in agreement. I would venture a guess that more often than not, the modifications we do are more in the form spectrum than the function spectrum. we want to have cool looking jeeps!

If I communicated any sort of mopar stage 3 kit bashing, my apologies! that kit is certainly badass! But for me, i'm going to go a different route. for a number of reasons, I have decided that the MOPAR kit is not for me.

I appreciate all of the candid feedback and I'll post pics of my rig after the install!
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Thanks DiscDog for your very valuable experience and feedback. And we are in agreement. I would venture a guess that more often than not, the modifications we do are more in the form spectrum than the function spectrum. we want to have cool looking jeeps!

If I communicated any sort of mopar stage 3 kit bashing, my apologies! that kit is certainly badass! But for me, i'm going to go a different route. for a number of reasons, I have decided that the MOPAR kit is not for me.

I appreciate all of the candid feedback and I'll post pics of my rig after the install!
Naw, you didnt come across as bashing the kit, even if ya did it wouldnt matter much, it is what it is and your entitled to your opinion. I just wanted to chime in and let ya know the price you got for mopar kit was good and the that the kit was solid and complete so you could better decide how to spend your hard earned money.

Honestly the kit wasnt my first choice and the main reason I got it was convenience. Keep in mind when you get a mopar kit you are paying more and thats generally because of the "claimed" (I say claimed because I am sure many will argue the issue) engineering, feedback, testing and approval from Jeep on the parts. Most people who get the kit will tell you their dealer will fully warranty it (although most without the kit will argue otherwise).

Some spend the extra money for the (perceived?) piece of mind knowing that should they have issues and their jeep is still young and under warranty that the dealer wont hassle them and blame a lift should a driveshaft go etc. Fortunately I havent had any issues so cant say if the dealer will stand behind it as claimed, I guess time will tell.

Best of luck with which ever route you take!
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The Mopar kit is a rebranded Teraflex kit.

People will say they never need all the stuff in a complete kit and will never use it to the full potential off road or say they never do rock crawling. The complete on a lift kit is very important for use on ON ROAD and to safely drive the jeep at high speed and during emergency situations. Things like roll center, squat, bump steer, axle shift/steer, front dive, and flighty steering are all affected by simply raising the jeep. If you don't address things like track bars, caster, and even sway bar links bad things can happen.

Good luck with the build and be safe out on the trails.
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The Mopar kit is a rebranded Teraflex kit. People will say they never need all the stuff in a complete kit and will never use it to the full potential off road or say they never do rock crawling. The complete on a lift kit is very important for use on ON ROAD and to safely drive the jeep at high speed and during emergency situations. Things like roll center, squat, bump steer, axle shift/steer, front dive, and flighty steering are all affected by simply raising the jeep. If you don't address things like track bars, caster, and even sway bar links bad things can happen. Good luck with the build and be safe out on the trails.
I don't think this is true Dirtmam. Unless there was a change. TF only supplies the shocks (Fox) and speed bumps.

The rest is spot on

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