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Old 05-07-2014, 09:28 AM   #1
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Regearing to 4.88

I believe I have 3.73 right now in my 09 jeep sahara 4d automatic with 33s (295/70r18 measure out to be exactly 33.4). Now I've been following this chart because I want to upgrade to 35's later in the road. My question to you guys, is if you can give me some more knowledge on regearing. What are all the parts I need to pickup for this? Do I need new axles? What is a Dana 30? How much am I looking at, $1000-$2000? Almost everywhere I look, I see something about a part called Dana. Also note that the only upgrade I have are my tires and rims. In about a month I'll have my 2.5 lift and new bumper w/ winch on.
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Dana is the brand of axles that is on your jeep. Dana 30 in your front axle and Dana 44 is your rear axle. What you will be regearing is your ring and pinion gears in your axle. 4.88 seems alittle high of a gear for 35s unless you pull a big trailer or boat with it. I would recommend 4.56 gears

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Dana is the brand of axles that is on your jeep. Dana 30 in your front axle and Dana 44 is your rear axle. What you will be regearing is your ring and pinion gears in your axle. 4.88 seems alittle high of a gear for 35s unless you pull a big trailer or boat with it. I would recommend 4.56 gears
I forgot to leave out that I am a daily driver. On the highway to school and on the highway for a little over 2 hours when I visit my parents
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Dana is the brand of axles that is on your jeep. Dana 30 in your front axle and Dana 44 is your rear axle. What you will be regearing is your ring and pinion gears in your axle. 4.88 seems alittle high of a gear for 35s unless you pull a big trailer or boat with it. I would recommend 4.56 gears
Actually for the 09 3.8 auto 4.88 or 5.13 gears is the way to go. For the 12 up 3.6 you can have less.

It's about $1500 to have a shop regear. You might as well put LSDs or lockers in the same time. Labor shouldn't cost much as they will have it opened.
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Getting ready to do the same later this year. 4.88 will be the way to go.
I was told that 4.56 was not an option for an 09. They said that 4.10 would not be enough for 35" tires. They recommended 4.88 or 5.13.
I'm going to go with the 4.88 gears. I'm sticking with Goodyear Duratrac tires because they've performed very well in all conditions and they're not super heavy for a load range E. So my plan is to gusset the front D30 C's.
If you're planning on a heavy MT tire, it would be best to sleeve and gusset the Front D30. Nothing is needed for the rear D44.
Gear change will run you $1200 - $1400. Gussets around $300 - $400 installed.
If you're wheeling in Florida you'd probably be fine not doing anything to the front axle. Not much rock crawling there (unless you go to Hard Rock over in Ocala) to punish your front axle.
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09 3.8L w/ manual recommended to go with 4.88. Automatic recommended to go with 5.13. Dana is the manufacturer of the axles (Dana/Spicer). You do not need new axles. You will need front and back ring and pinions w/ master install kits. It is also advisable to get an AEV ProCal or Superchips Flashcal. When I re-geared I went ahead and upgraded my diff covers, installed a locker and installed lube locker reusable diff gaskets.

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I wrote up some basic information about gears and why you want to change them here: Regearing Basics

As said before, Dana is the company that manufactures the axles in the Wrangler. They make several types of axles. In the Jeep, there is a model 30 (usually called Dana 30) in the front and a model 44 in the rear. In a Rubicon you'll find a model 44 in the front and in the rear. The lower number models are lighter axles. Larger numbers are bigger and stronger. The Dana 30 is pretty much only found in the front of a vehicle. The Dana 35 is a light duty rear axle that I don't think anyone uses new any more. The Dana 44 is the standard 1/2 ton truck axle. It can be found front and rear in a wide variety of vehicles. The Dana 60 is an axle you typically find in the front of 3/4 and 1 ton pickups and in the rear in 3/4 ton pickups and some older high performance Chrysler vehicles. The Dana 70 and 80 are found in the rear of 1 ton pickups (and some diesel equipped 3/4 ton trucks.

As far as what you need to regear, that depends entirely on your skill set and whether you intend to do it yourself or have a shop do the work. If you're not an experienced mechanic with all of the necessary specialty tools, I would recommend very much leaving the work to the professionals. There's nothing terribly complicated about doing gears but it is precision work that requires a number of specialty tools and a certain amount of experience.

If you do want to install gears yourself, you will need:

The gears themselves (1 set per axle).
A master install kit (1 per axle).
A programming device to tell the computer about the change in gears and/or tire size. It can be a simple ProCal or a full programmer that lets you change settings in the engine as well.

One thing that is always brought up (already brought up here in fact), is that you should think about swapping in some kind of traction aiding device when you do the gears. Because the differential is removed when you install the gears, there is zero extra labor involved in replacing it with something else. Of course, many people will suggest a specific setup for what kind of limited slip diff or locker that they think you should have. I don't make a specific recommendation but I did do a write up on the types that are available and their benefits and drawbacks: Regearing Basics

Because you have the 3.73 gears now, there is no reason that you absolutely must replace either differential. The 4.88 gears will work just fine on the differentials that you already have. But, like everyone says, if you're going to put lockers in the time to do it is when you do the gears so you don't pay for the labor twice.
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Im in a 2014 JKU with 35's and 4:88's and love it. This is also my daily driver (42 miles) a day to and from work. Like mentioned above if you want to add lockers now is the time so you dont have to pay twice for labor.
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Why do I need lockers? I live in Florida and my jeep is staying in FLAT Florida. Of what I'm comprehending, you're saying I need lockers when I regear?
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Why do I need lockers? I live in Florida and my jeep is staying in FLAT Florida. Of what I'm comprehending, you're saying I need lockers when I regear?
I think 4:88's would be a good gear for your year jeep with the 3.8 ,You don't need lockers they are just a nice upgrade. Are you sure you have 3:73's right now ? If not you might have to change front carrier to go to the 4:88's..
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I was not implying that you NEED lockers. I am also in Florida and actually in a similar boat as you. I do go off-roading and I do sand, mud, hills, and some rocks. My mechanic will install the LSDs or auto lockers free of charge when he changes the gears because he will be inside the pumpkins anyways for the gear change. If in the future, you want to add lockers or LSDs, you will have to pay the $400+ dollars in labor (it's a pain in the rear to do and time consuming). I purchased a front LSD Detroit truetrac and an Eaton E-locker for the back (only being charged a little over $100 to hook up the e-locker for the wiring and switch, etc) and he is putting in the LSD free. I bought the locker and LSD from Drivetrain America (Nate, the owner was a big help and had great prices). In addition Eaton is offering a $50-70 rebate for items $400+. And I was able to use paypal bill me later to get 6 months interest free financing on these 2 parts. Again, they are nice to have, you definitely don't need them, but they are nice if you start to do some more intense offroad stuff . Best of luck!
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Why do I need lockers? I live in Florida and my jeep is staying in FLAT Florida. Of what I'm comprehending, you're saying I need lockers when I regear?
It depends on how you use your Jeep.

I'm sure there's a lot of mudding and other fun ways to take your Jeep off road down there. And in "low traction" situations lockers come in handy. It is possible to get in a situation where enough tires lose traction (at least one in the front and one in the rear) and you'll be stuck if you don't have some kind of "traction aiding device". (i.e. limited slip and/or locker)

The question you have to answer for yourself is how you plan on using this Jeep. What kinds of trails are you going to drive it on? You're the only one who can answer that question. And once you have your answer, the question about whether you need lockers or not will answer itself.

Of course, once you know the answer to the question about needing lockers, you can decide whether or not to get them when you do the gear install.
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I believe I have 3.73 right now in my 09 jeep sahara 4d automatic with 33s (295/70r18 measure out to be exactly 33.4). Now I've been following this chart because I want to upgrade to 35's later in the road. My question to you guys, is if you can give me some more knowledge on regearing. What are all the parts I need to pickup for this? Do I need new axles? What is a Dana 30? How much am I looking at, $1000-$2000? Almost everywhere I look, I see something about a part called Dana. Also note that the only upgrade I have are my tires and rims. In about a month I'll have my 2.5 lift and new bumper w/ winch on.

You do realize this is the wrong chart for the '09 with 3.8, right? I have an '09 2 dr auto. Been searching gears & tire size a long time now.
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Here is the chart for us for reference.
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I was not implying that you NEED lockers. I am also in Florida and actually in a similar boat as you. I do go off-roading and I do sand, mud, hills, and some rocks. My mechanic will install the LSDs or auto lockers free of charge when he changes the gears because he will be inside the pumpkins anyways for the gear change. If in the future, you want to add lockers or LSDs, you will have to pay the $400+ dollars in labor (it's a pain in the rear to do and time consuming). I purchased a front LSD Detroit truetrac and an Eaton E-locker for the back (only being charged a little over $100 to hook up the e-locker for the wiring and switch, etc) and he is putting in the LSD free. I bought the locker and LSD from Drivetrain America (Nate, the owner was a big help and had great prices). In addition Eaton is offering a $50-70 rebate for items $400+. And I was able to use paypal bill me later to get 6 months interest free financing on these 2 parts. Again, they are nice to have, you definitely don't need them, but they are nice if you start to do some more intense offroad stuff . Best of luck!
I understand where you're coming from. Save money and less hassle to do it later. But when will I ever need to use my lockers :/
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I live in FL too brother. And if you wheel at all, you want all four wheels turning. I have an 08' 3.8L and I just re geared to 4.88. With the 33's it was perfect, but I just put on some 35/12.50's and really wish I would've got 5.13's but it's still better than the 3.73 gears.
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I live in FL too brother. And if you wheel at all, you want all four wheels turning. I have an 08' 3.8L and I just re geared to 4.88. With the 33's it was perfect, but I just put on some 35/12.50's and really wish I would've got 5.13's but it's still better than the 3.73 gears.

You have an auto, as well? Why do you believe the 5.13 would have been better? Heavy four door?
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You have an auto, as well? Why do you believe the 5.13 would have been better? Heavy four door?
yeah, auto, 4 dr, heavier bumpers bigger heavier tires. Just a lot of extra weight. It still drops in kick down gear sometimes driving around town just to get it back up to speed.
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FLjeepOwner. I mean this with the most respect. I don't believe you have done enough reading or research or educated yourself when it comes to gears, lockers or their benefits when it comes to these topics. Do yourself a favor and slow down and research GOOGLE is your friend. Also if there is a shop by you that specializes in Jeep builds stop in and speak with them they can educate you pretty quick. You really want to do this right the first time with no regrets. We all were beginners at some point. Read read read. Off road magazines can have a load of info.
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I live in FL too brother. And if you wheel at all, you want all four wheels turning. I have an 08' 3.8L and I just re geared to 4.88. With the 33's it was perfect, but I just put on some 35/12.50's and really wish I would've got 5.13's but it's still better than the 3.73 gears.
+1. If you wheel in mud and soft sand, you may still want lockers, at least on the rear axle. Plus, you may find that you like wheeling enough to take trips north where there are rocks and big hills to climb.

I have 4.88 on my 2010 3.8L with 35's but I have a manual.
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I wrote up some basic information about gears and why you want to change them here: Regearing Basics
That's a very helpful writeup. Appreciate it.
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Here is the chart for us for reference.
Thank you. I did not realize. Someone showed me that chart and told me to base my jeep off of that
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Here is the chart for us for reference.
so 5.86 would be my regear route. I'm just reading the chart, it fits my use. Currently on 33s and future will make room for 35s with same gear ratio with still the same performance.
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Actually, the lowest you can go with the Dana 30 up front is 5.13. The lowest with a Dana 44 is 5.38

I'm also looking at a possible gear change when I go to 35s. I did speak to a local Jeeper yesterday. He has a 2010 2 dr auto with 35s, says he is fine with it for now.
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Actually, the lowest you can go with the Dana 30 up front is 5.13. The lowest with a Dana 44 is 5.38 I'm also looking at a possible gear change when I go to 35s. I did speak to a local Jeeper yesterday. He has a 2010 2 dr auto with 35s, says he is fine with it for now.
Thank you. After I wrote that I forgot to ask what is the most I could go before changing stock axles. So how much would you say this would cost and which website/brand is the best?
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I feel like this is a dumb question so spare me if it is. Is it possible to get 5.13 gears in the front and 5.38 gears in the back? Or if I'm regearing, I need to keep it at 5.13 all around?
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I feel like this is a dumb question so spare me if it is. Is it possible to get 5.13 gears in the front and 5.38 gears in the back? Or if I'm regearing, I need to keep it at 5.13 all around?
Noooo they have to match...
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I feel like this is a dumb question so spare me if it is. Is it possible to get 5.13 gears in the front and 5.38 gears in the back? Or if I'm regearing, I need to keep it at 5.13 all around?
You can do that if you put 35's in front and 37's out back. But that would look goofy and drive weird.

Stick with the same gears front and back so you can keep the same size tire all the way around.
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Not sure if you have one close 4wd offers gearing, axle, and locker packages. They encourage that you do the lockers while changing gears because of the labor saving almost pay for the gears your gonna buy. Not saying you are, but I'm impatient and it bugs me I have to wait but like someone said save yourself some money and get lockers. With your setup, you don't have to rehear immediately which gives you some time to wait if ya need to save for lockers. We figured it would save me around $500 in labor.

All in all, do what you want with your jeep but have a plan of attack and end goal in mind. Work toward that goal even if it's slower then you necessarily wanted it to be. Good luck and let's us know how it works out.
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You can do that if you put 35's in front and 37's out back. But that would look goofy and drive weird.

Stick with the same gears front and back so you can keep the same size tire all the way around.
You are joking right.! The op is looking for insite and good info.

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