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Old 06-05-2014, 04:46 PM   #31
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RE use to be Chinese owned, since 4 Wheel Parts bought them the quality hard improved dramatically.

Some people seen to think of it costs more it must be better....not always true.
I'm well aware and no, the quality has not improved. It sounds like you're implying that 4WP is synonymous with quality. Good joke. I've dealt with more than enough pre- and post-4WP RE. The tapered bushing compounds have changed and the durability results haven't. I have pictures to prove that if you'd like. Otherwise, there are plenty of pics readily available online to show the lack of durability.

Thinking that I belong to the "it's better if it costs more" crowd is incorrect. I recommend what works and I don't recommend what doesn't. It's as simple as that. Look around at my post history and you'll see that I'm not some lemming repeating information I read online. There's plenty of those around here, no need for more.

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Your EGO is big....I'll give you that. My point is everything can break...I know guys running Re short and long arm lifts for years with no issues.

Just search this forum....Guys complain about all brands....
Either your comprehension is lacking or you failed to acknowledge the reasoning I provided you.

As for "no issues", good for them. I know people that have been running RE components for a long time, as well. They'll tell you the same thing--no issues. But some people are pickier than others. When I watch (and listen to) those "no issues" rigs, I see plenty of axle wrap/movement and hear the results of those worn out bushings and joints. I much prefer silence and durability.

I'm not saying RE parts are the worst out there but considering you can actually get better parts while spending less, why compromise? I'm glad you're happy with your RE parts, obviously that's why you're sticking up for them with such vigor. There are better parts available, that's fact.

Here's a little comparison I've done (and continue to do) between two of the superior options: How the Metalcloak Duroflex bushing stacks up - JeepForum.com

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Unless there some beer or money at the end of this rainbow.....iam just telling you what I have seen, not trying to win a discussion that is like saying Ford is better than Chevy. For the money, RE is a decent lift that for me has stood up against, metal cloak, teraflex, and others. I always say buy what you can afford and how you plan to use it. Right now RE did that Bill for me and until it breaks, I probably won't change it.
Bud, just messing with ya. There's nothing wrong with RE. Not a big name like I think they once were. Fine for that .1% of us

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Old 06-05-2014, 05:05 PM   #33
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I'm well aware and no, the quality has not improved. It sounds like you're implying that 4WP is synonymous with quality. Good joke. I've dealt with more than enough pre- and post-4WP RE. The tapered bushing compounds have changed and the durability results haven't. I have pictures to prove that if you'd like. Otherwise, there are plenty of pics readily available online to show the lack of durability.
AS with any brand...I can probably find someone posting pics and calling Metal Cloak crap. Its the Internet.

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Thinking that I belong to the "it's better if it costs more" crowd is incorrect. I recommend what works and I don't recommend what doesn't. It's as simple as that. Look around at my post history and you'll see that I'm not some lemming repeating information I read online. There's plenty of those around here, no need for more.
Theres plenty of the " I know more about a Jeep than you" crowd than we need around here too....just sayin...


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Either your comprehension is lacking or you failed to acknowledge the reasoning I provided you.

As for "no issues", good for them. I know people that have been running RE components for a long time, as well. They'll tell you the same thing--no issues. But some people are pickier than others. When I watch (and listen to) those "no issues" rigs, I see plenty of axle wrap/movement and hear the results of those worn out bushings and joints. I much prefer silence and durability.
The reasoning you spewed can be found on any Jeep forum...its an opinion. You and hundreds of other guys have done "build threads" and "unofficial reviews"

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Old 06-05-2014, 05:18 PM   #34
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Bud, just messing with ya. There's nothing wrong with RE. Not a big name like I think they once were. Fine for that .1% of us

I know you are!

Look, there are better lifts than RE, however, for a 3.5" kit with arms, steel brake lines, etc.... and shocks for $1600 and Mc Gamechanger @ 3999.00....

Its not a bad lift....infact the coils would be the only thing I would change if I was to get picky about the ride....which for me is not an issue not the caster is dialed in.
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I know you are! Look, there are better lifts than RE, however, for a 3.5" kit with arms, steel brake lines, etc.... and shocks for $1600 and Mc Gamechanger @ 3999.00.... Its not a bad lift....infact the coils would be the only thing I would change if I was to get picky about the ride....which for me is not an issue not the caster is dialed in.
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AS with any brand...I can probably find someone posting pics and calling Metal Cloak crap. Its the Internet.



Theres plenty of the " I know more about a Jeep than you" crowd than we need around here too....just sayin...




The reasoning you spewed can be found on any Jeep forum...its an opinion. You and hundreds of other guys have done "build threads" and "unofficial reviews"




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I don't know why I'm wasting my time trying to reason with someone with very little experience in the realm of suspension, limited to bolt-on parts at that. You're right, RE components are top shelf and everything about anything suspension-related is merely an opinion. Your arguments, comprehension and depth of suspension knowledge are laughable at best so I'll quit wasting my time.

Hopefully the OP makes a good decision. That's all I care about, after all.
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I don't know why I'm wasting my time trying to reason with someone with very little experience in the realm of suspension, limited to bolt-on parts at that. You're right, RE components are top shelf and everything about anything suspension-related is merely an opinion. Your arguments, comprehension and depth of suspension knowledge are laughable at best so I'll quit wasting my time.

Hopefully the OP makes a good decision. That's all I care about, after all.

Your so busy stroking your EGO you haven't comprehended anything I said..

I never said RE was Top Shelf...

But carry on....stroke...stroke....you know the song.
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And fixed arms
The front lowers? I guess you could change those...but with just the adjustable uppers I was able to *5 caster.
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I try not to have any bias to one particular brand. I've seen issues with even the bigger names. What matters, they listen to the customer and work to make changes if need be. brands like RE, RC, OME, there's little to 0 support on the jeep forums. Main reason they're not as popular as some of the big names like RK, TF, MC etc.
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I got the short arm knowing I wasn't ready to invest in the long arm, RE does have a 4 link upgrade for the short arm....but right now there are other upgrades I want to do before a long arm.

The short arm from RE allows me to play until I get there...who knows might go another direction by then to depending on what's out there
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K so what I've gathered from everything so far is that RE will get the job done. And it works for a lot of people. personally I have decided on the MC kit, not because it has a higher price tag "so it must be better", but because it is made with higher quality parts and seems to fit my needs a little better. I want to do this lift with parts that I can stand behind.

It seems that a lot of people with RE will back it up till the end but after their talking up the brand session there is always a BUT. And an experienced wrencher with facts disproving what the supporter has said

I know everyone has their own opinion but the facts don't lie. I'm also not saying MC is bulletproof but seems to be the better over all kit that also has potential for upgrade. I'm not looking at the gamechanger. I'm looking at the ARB kit that is $1600.
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K so what I've gathered from everything so far is that RE will get the job done. And it works for a lot of people. personally I have decided on the MC kit, not because it has a higher price tag "so it must be better", but because it is made with higher quality parts and seems to fit my needs a little better. I want to do this lift with parts that I can stand behind.

It seems that a lot of people with RE will back it up till the end but after their talking up the brand session there is always a BUT. And an experienced wrencher with facts disproving what the supporter has said

I know everyone has their own opinion but the facts don't lie. I'm also not saying MC is bulletproof but seems to be the better over all kit that also has potential for upgrade. I'm not looking at the gamechanger. I'm looking at the ARB kit that is $1600.
You only get the front upper arms? The biggest thing I see in that kit is the coils over RE....I think I looked at that kit but I wanted all 8 arms so went with RE.

You will have to see how it rides in regards to caster, you may need to lowers also.

Just see how it is once it's installed.

BTW..why are you putting words into my mouth...I never had a "BUT"?

Also just to throw out it there...

I have been modding cars and trucks since I was 16.(over 25 years)...lifts....lowering....air bags, c notching frames, adding posi, turbos, custom paint...

Never touched a wrench tho....
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You only get the front upper arms? The biggest thing I see in that kit is the coils over RE....I think I looked at that kit but I wanted all 8 arms so went with RE.

You will have to see how it rides in regards to caster, you may need to lowers also.

Just see how it is once it's installed.

BTW..why are you putting words into my mouth...I never had a "BUT"?

Also just to throw out it there...

I have been modding cars and trucks since I was 16.(over 25 years)...lifts....lowering....air bags, c notching frames, adding posi, turbos, custom paint...

Never touched a wrench tho....
Why so defensive??

And thank you for the resumè

The biggest thing you see is the coils? Wouldn't you say the coils are a pretty big deal? Also I don't mean to put words into your mouth. Clearly to you the RE express is a much better kit. I am not here to change your mind. I am here gathering other peoples experience and trying to peace together my own idea for a lift.

Your comments have helped me a lot and are much appreciated. They have helped me decide on the MC kit.

All aside I appreciate everyone's input, to each their own.

I do not know enough about either kit from personal experience to make any comments other than what people have told me or what I've found through research. The research ive done and opinions of most lean towards the MC kit. That is the only reason I am leaning towards it.

I haven't ordered anything yet so this may all change in the next month but once I do order I plan to go out and play as often as I can with as many people as I can regardless of their lift and it's components.
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Uppers Will work for caster. I'm not sure why they do uppers not lowers. If I were to guess, it would be cost.
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I will only talk about things I have on my own Jeep, and I can tell you Metal Cloak is a good choice. Drives very good and high quality components. Customer service is very good also if you need to discuss anything with them, pre and post install.
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OP, don't rule out Rock Krawler or Teraflex either. Or even a complete RE kit.

I can give you some quotes on them if you like. I don't carry MC, unfortunately.

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At the end of the day this is how it works. Window shop, research, and purchase. You run what you find best for your rig and personality. Sure, take others opinions into account but YOU make the decision. Everyone in my group is a RK crackhead junkie. Although i like RK and think they make a great product, i hate how EVERYONE runs them. I myself need to be different and will be running the tera 3" with 8 flexarms unless i change my mind again hahaha Glad to see you went with your gut and got the MC. You will enjoy it! Thats all she wrote fellas!
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At the end of the day this is how it works. Window shop, research, and purchase. You run what you find best for your rig and personality. Sure, take others opinions into account but YOU make the decision. Everyone in my group is a RK crackhead junkie. Although i like RK and think they make a great product, i hate how EVERYONE runs them. I myself need to be different and will be running the tera 3" with 8 flexarms unless i change my mind again hahaha Glad to see you went with your gut and got the MC. You will enjoy it! Thats all she wrote fellas!
Jeeees it's like you're talking about a pair of shoes lol
Lots of folks you know running RK. You see in person not hearsay. What's the issue ? Lol
Jk... TF is great too.
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Jeeees it's like you're talking about a pair of shoes lol Lots of folks you know running RK. You see in person not hearsay. What's the issue ? Lol Jk... TF is great too.
Dude its like a disease over here lmao come wheeling with us one day and you will see lol rk everywhere. your only a couple of hours away bro!
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Why so defensive??

And thank you for the resumè

The biggest thing you see is the coils? Wouldn't you say the coils are a pretty big deal? Also I don't mean to put words into your mouth. Clearly to you the RE express is a much better kit. I am not here to change your mind. I am here gathering other peoples experience and trying to peace together my own idea for a lift.

Your comments have helped me a lot and are much appreciated. They have helped me decide on the MC kit.

All aside I appreciate everyone's input, to each their own.

I do not know enough about either kit from personal experience to make any comments other than what people have told me or what I've found through research. The research ive done and opinions of most lean towards the MC kit. That is the only reason I am leaning towards it.

I haven't ordered anything yet so this may all change in the next month but once I do order I plan to go out and play as often as I can with as many people as I can regardless of their lift and it's components.
I don't really THINK your can read...I did say the coils would matter to those more sensitive to ride.

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Uppers Will work for caster. I'm not sure why they do uppers not lowers. If I were to guess, it would be cost.
Uppers will work for caster but if your using stock lowers I would think your limited to how much positive caster you can achieve since they are stock length.

The lowers with the RE kit are longer than stock but fixed.
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Uppers will work for caster but if your using stock lowers I would think your limited to how much positive caster you can achieve since they are stock length. The lowers with the RE kit are longer than stock but fixed.
If the adjustment in is allowed on their upper arms (I'm sure it is) it'll work just fine.
MC is not the only kit to do it this way.

With a little bit of research, here's their answer in which I was right.

"The stock uppers are weak, so you get a big durability increase by replacing the uppers. Also they are less expensive than the lowers"

Lastly ... Let's quit the name calling. We are all here to help and each other out. Not all opinions are going to be the same, and there's going to be disagreements. Respectably disagree and move on
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Dude its like a disease over here lmao come wheeling with us one day and you will see lol rk everywhere. your only a couple of hours away bro!
If I were to venture a guess, it's because RK is located in NY.
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I love my Rubicon 3.5 suspension lift kit. It's all the arms front and rear and new springs and shock..very happy

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2014 2dr. silver OSCAR MIKE EDITION. Manual transmission 6cyl..
Rubicon 3.5" super flex, 17x8.5 method rims and 35" BF Goodrich tires. Body Armor Gen II doors. Custom decals. ARB twin compressor, new Spod with gauge, D2 LED's.
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