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Old 03-14-2008, 04:01 PM   #1
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Staling in Neutral????

I've been away to China on business over the last few days, and I thought my new son-in-law would get a kick outa being able to come over to the house and start the Wrangler and let it run for five minutes while I'm away.

Yesterday he calls me and tells me that he couldn't get it to idle in Neutral???
I wonder if it is as simple as "he gave it a bunch of gas before attempting to start it, and flooded it, or what?

This is an 08, 3.8, 6-spd, with barely 6,000 miles on it, that has NEVER given me a lick of trouble to date. I have never had any starting or idling issues with it.

For the time being, I'm going to presume that he did something stupid like stomp on the gas peddle a few times, (thinking it was a Mack truck or something) and flooded it.

I gather that he got it running, but I can't think of any other reason why it wouldn't do for him what it does for me.

I told him that I can simply turn the key without touching the gas, and it starts up smooth and runs fine for me. It hasn't been sitting for more than 3 days, max, and the weather has been moderate (early Spring, no blizzards).

Any idea why he might have had trouble?

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Old 03-14-2008, 06:09 PM   #2
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It isnt possible to flood a fuel injected engine by stomping on the gas....it simply doesnt work that way anymore frankly with the engine off stomping on the gas does nothing it doesnt even move the throttle blade as its all controlled by stepper motors......that being said I have no idea why it did what it did.....Gary

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It isnt possible to flood a fuel injected engine by stomping on the gas....it simply doesnt work that way anymore frankly with the engine off stomping on the gas does nothing it doesnt even move the throttle blade as its all controlled by stepper motors......that being said I have no idea why it did what it did.....Gary
Agree, you can only "fuel flood" it if it has a carburetor, and all new cars use fuel injectors, not carbs.
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Old 03-15-2008, 01:46 AM   #4
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Any reason to think he had it in gear with the Ebrake yanked up high, and he was just stalling it by releasing the clutch in gear, no gas, with the Ebrake up?
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Old 03-15-2008, 03:38 PM   #5
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First of all....you're right gang. I'm showing my age I guess. He COULDN'T have flooded a fuel injection system. (My "bad")

Second....My son-in-law self-admits that he is not that savy with a standard shift, so my alternate guess is that he "thought" he had it in Neutral, and may actually not have. (my best guess at this point).

Thirdly...I'll show my ignorance here and ask what an EBrake is? Didn't know there WAS one, and didn't know I could "yank" it?!

But, what if he DID know where Neutral was, and it DIDN'T wanna idle? I haven't had any issues like that with the vehicle, and they have not had "extreme" weather....(obviously it'll be the FIRST thing I check when I get home, AFTER I kiss the wife that is! (lol)

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The only other thing that may have happened from sitting the three days, is the fuel line getting empty of fuel, and him not waiting for the fuel pump to completely prime the system, before starting the engine. You can hear the fuel pump run, when you first turn the key on. Wait until it stops, and then turn the key to the crank, position.
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Thirdly...I'll show my ignorance here and ask what an EBrake is? Didn't know there WAS one, and didn't know I could "yank" it?!

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EBrake = emergency brake ,,, "yank it" basically means pull it up.

here is a link to a pic of it... it is the long lever...nearest to the seat.

http://images.motortrend.com/auto_sh...erior_view.jpg

an e-brake or emergency brake basically locks your rear brakes so as the vehicle can not be moved.
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Old 03-15-2008, 04:11 PM   #8
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I must REALLy have "jet lag!!!" Guess I never heard of my Emergency Brake being called an "EBrake" before. (Of course, now that you define it, I know what it is!! I used to have a Datsun in college that I could only STOP with the "EBrake" as you call it).

Don't imagine that having the Emergency Brake engaged would prohibit the vehicle from idling in Neutral, however.

Never thought there WAS a situation where I'd have to wait for the fuel line to be primed. I guess I thought that the fuel pressure was maintained in the line. Particularly with an injection system.

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