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Old 02-24-2014, 12:51 PM   #1
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Steering Question??

2013 Stock 2 door no lift, factory 17" wheels and tires.

Bought it used two weeks ago about 12k miles on it, and I've notice that it will pull either right or left depending on which direction was turn last. So I thought an alignment would fix that, got it done Friday. It seemed to fix it for a little bit but noticed it again this morning on my way to work.

Any suggestions on where to start?

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Old 02-24-2014, 01:13 PM   #2
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do you have your alignment numbers?

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No they just said the tow was out a little. My plan is to take it back to them and have it double checked. Work is keeping me too busy and they are not open on Saturday.

Could it still be the Alignment?
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im not really following the symptoms your describing can you be more specific
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Old 02-24-2014, 03:04 PM   #5
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I'll try...

While driving straight if I let go of the steering wheel if will drift right if that's the last direction I turned the steering wheel. If I just turned left before and let go it will drift left. I can really feel when a cross wind hits the Jeep, throws left of right. I don't jump any lanes, but like someone just jerked the steering wheel.

I hope that helps Monte
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Start with posting alignment #'s. Then I would be checking bolt torque on your front track bar and control arms. This should be done anyways. Finish with marking your bolts with a paint marker.
FYI .a loose track bar bolt can cause a bunch of issues including death wobble. Death wobble can rip apart the front end. Better safe then sorry.
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Old 02-24-2014, 03:48 PM   #7
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I did not get any from my alignment, they just said the toe was out a little. I will go back to them and make sure I get some and post them up.
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Start with posting alignment #'s. Then I would be checking bolt torque on your front track bar and control arms. This should be done anyways. Finish with marking your bolts with a paint marker.
FYI .a loose track bar bolt can cause a bunch of issues including death wobble. Death wobble can rip apart the front end. Better safe then sorry.
^^^X2, you may also just need a little bit more positive caster, which will help to eliminate the wandering, and recenter steering after turning.........
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^^^X2, you may also just need a little bit more positive caster, which will help to eliminate the wandering, and recenter steering after turning.........
Can the place I take it to for the re-alignment do that?
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Can the place I take it to for the re-alignment do that?
I would check the torque on the bolts first, per Kjeeper10s recommendation.

If you have any mechanical knowledge, or a friend that has it, and a torque wrench, then you are better off doing it yourself! I just check mine yesterday, per Kjeeper10s recommendation. My Wrangler only has 6,000 miles on it, and I got about 1/4 turn on the Trac Bar frame side, before the torque wrench clicked at 125 lbs. If you don't have a torque wrench, then Sears sells a 1/2 inch drive, fairly reasonable. This is a good tool to have if for no other reason, checking the torque on your wheels, periodically.

If your not comfortable checking the torque yourself, I guess that you could ask the shop that you use to do it. Hopefully they will understand what needs to be done.

While you are at your alignment shop, explain to them your wandering steering issue, after you turn, and do they think that more positive caster maybe needed. Once they are complete, then get a printout of your alignment settings.

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Old 02-24-2014, 04:53 PM   #11
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Will do Old Dogger!

I'll be picking one up on my way home tonight, found a $10 off $50 or more coupon at Sears.

I'm pretty good with a wrench, my problem is time. I won't be home tonight until almost 8pm been gone since 5:30am. I had to have my wife take to Jeep in to get is aligned and all she got was the invoice. I'm going to call them after I get everything torqued down.

I found kjeeper's thread on the suspension and will try to work on it tonight or tomorrow.

Is there a list of all bolts the torque specs, or are they all 125lbs?
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Well said ^

Stock-all you have for alignment adjustment is toe (tie rod) and steer center (drag link)
Assuming everything is fine alignment wise given the range in factory specs.

Was this something that just started?
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Old 02-24-2014, 04:59 PM   #13
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All CA's but front uppers 125. Front uppers 75
2 track bars 125

I would avoid Craftsman Torque wrenches like the plague. After mine fell apart, I googled to find many people have the same issue. JUNK !!!

I would go HF @ $10 before buying another Craftsman torque wrench.
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^^^That is very interesting, regarding the torque wrench. Maybe the models vary, but I have had mine for about 12 years, and use it mainly to check torque on the Escalade wheels at 140 lbs and Wranglers at 95. I also used it on my past owned Polaris Ranger's at 65lbs. I did have the calibration checked on it about 5 years ago, but have never had a issue with it! I think that it is O.K. for my type of usage, but every day professional, no, there are better, but they are also more costly. You have to justify the cost, verses the need!!!!!!!

Back in my real younger day,(many, many moons ago), when I was rebuilding Cat, Cummins, and Detroit Diesel engines, I had a snap on, with a dial, and light, plus a extension handle, but that baby went up to 650 lbs.

The key to any torque wrench is it's accuracy! If you don't get it re-calibrated from time to time, then you are better off not having it..........

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kjeeper10 thanks for the info, what about the tierod, draglink, and the bolts on those?

I'm just looking at the picture in your thread and I see a lot of bolts.

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I heard but don't know if true. Some or all their tools are now made oversees. The warranty on the wrench is only a year.
I owed my Craftsman wrench a little over a year. A few lift installs including my own, and I do my best to take care of my tools. First it started to lose accuracy. Eventually the nut backed off in the handle, this requires sending it to CM for repair. After reading many reports of the same issue, I scrapped it for a CDI (Snap on brand). Awesome wrench. Operates smoothly, longer and the click is solid. The Craftsman seemed cheap since day one. The lock always loosening. Something must of changed. Keep hold of those oldies

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Hi Bill ... Spring in Is in the air. A warm 30 today
WOW, ken, a heat wave, you had better get out your suntan lotion.....

It was just horrible here today, as I worked in the yard most of the day, 84 degrees.........
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Thanks guys for all the info! Pickup a torque last night on my way home at Autozone $30 with a lifetime warranty.

kjeeper, on the other bolts in the front do you know the torque spec for them?
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kjeeper, Guys like you are the reason forums stay alive!

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Think I've found part of the problem, finished all the big bolts and my I noticed this one. I was hoping the hole was not rounded it's not. Heading tomorrow to get it re-aligned and see what the say about it.


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Think I've found part of the problem, finished all the big bolts and my I noticed this one. I was hoping the hole was not rounded it's not. Heading tomorrow to get it re-aligned and see what the say about it.
That's your swaybar link. Loose would clank but should not cause a pull.
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That's your swaybar link. Loose would clank but should not cause a pull.
Not a really good picture, but look to the lower right on the Toe bar.
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Ahhhhhhh ... the tie rod clamp. That WOULD cause issues. Just being loose and also
possible toe changes.
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With a little pressure I was able to push it back in. I'm just glad I looked last night. It could have gotten a lot worse if I'd waited.

I hope that's it, I torque all the bolts last night on the front. This weekend I'll do the rear bolts and mark them all.

I'll post pack when I get numbers. Thanks Ken and Old Dugger.
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When that sleeve is loose, the whole tie rod end jiggles. I forget the torque but it's not that much. 50-75 maybe.

Mark a line from the clamp into the TRE.

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