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Old 08-15-2014, 07:01 PM   #1
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Switch to Mobil 1 at 2,100 miles?

I have a 2014 Wrangler Unlimited, I would like to change the oil on the 3.6 liter V6 since it rolled off the assembly line in September of last year, the oil is currently about 11 months old. My Wrangler only has 2,100 miles on the odometer. I would like to put Mobil 1 (fully synthetic) oil in it, however I am not sure if I should wait until I hit 7,500 miles to make the switch to synthetic oil. In the past every new vehicle I have owned I always made the switch at around 7,500 miles in order to be sure the engine was broken in. Is this still the case should I wait until 7,500 miles or can I safely switch to Mobil 1 (5W-20) at only 2,100 miles?

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The engine was fully broken in somewhere around the 1,000 mile mark. Feel free to change.
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you are perfectly ok to swap it out.. all break-in lubes/oils have done their job by now!
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Wasn't mobil one not recommended for jeeps? I thought i remember reading in these posts how mobil one was listed as not recommended on chryslers or jeeps web site. Apparently chrysler has their grading scale (ms6395) and mobil 1 does not meet it. Personally I like mobil 1 myself but if you use will it void your warranty?

See the article dated 2/15/ 2012 per the link.
https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English...ollection.aspx

The jeep manual recommends Pennzoil helix which meets the grading
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Is Mobil 1 a Chrysler/jeep approved oil?????????
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Everyone,

Thanks for the confirmation that I could switch to synthetic oil..


Dwhit,

Many thanks for pointing out that Mobil 1 doesn't meet Chrysler's ms6395 standards. I read your post while I was at the auto parts store (perfect timing), I looked on the back of the Mobil 1 container and it mentioned it meets GM and Ford's current standards but no mention that it meets Chrysler's ms6395 standard. So I went with Pennzoil's Platinum full synthetic 5W-20 which states on the label it meets ms6395's standards.

Thanks again, you saved me from making a big mistake. I plan on keeping the Wrangler a long time and want to make sure I put the right oil in its engine. I am also sticking with the stock Mopar MO-349 oil filter, no aftermarket oil filter for me.

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you are perfectly ok to swap it out.. all break-in lubes/oils have done their job by now!
What specific break-in lubes/oils are present in the factory oil fill? Engine assembly lubes have done their jobs within minutes of the first engine start.

There is no such thing as OEM factory fill break-in oil in 2014. Unless somebody can post documentation to the contrary, it's just Internet Nonsense.

You can change oil any time you want and replace it with any kind of oil that meets the manufacturer's specifications, period. If the spec calls for 5w-20, you can dump the factory fill and replace with 5w-20 conventional, semi-synthetic or full-synthetic. And that's before you get into an argument about whether today's Mobil 1 is a true synthetic or hydro-cracked Group III instead of Group IV oil. Then you can go to $10 per quart Group V Redline oil.

A lot of this can I replace conventional with synthetic stupidity goes back decades when synthetics were introduced to engines with seals that were never designed for anything other than conventional oils.


P.S. All Mobil 1 is synthetic. There is no such thing as semi-syntheic Mobil 1.
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Wasn't mobil one not recommended for jeeps? I thought i remember reading in these posts how mobil one was listed as not recommended on chryslers or jeeps web site. Apparently chrysler has their grading scale (ms6395) and mobil 1 does not meet it. Personally I like mobil 1 myself but if you use will it void your warranty?

See the article dated 2/15/ 2012 per the link.
https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English...ollection.aspx

The jeep manual recommends Pennzoil helix which meets the grading
That's backwards... It's not on the recommended list. They don't say they recommend not using it.. Mobil 1 has not been tested by Chrysler, and there for there is no way to even say if it meets their standard or not.. it could exceed their standards for all we know. And FYI the manual says to use an API SAE approved oil and does not say you must use an oil on their list. IMO it's a marketing ploy between manufactures and oil companies... you just used an oil you otherwise wouldn't have because of it.. if you blew your motor and mobile 1 was drained and sent to chrysler, they would have a very difficult time saying that it was the cause, or that an oil on their list would have prevented it.
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What specific break-in lubes/oils are present in the factory oil fill? Engine assembly lubes have done their jobs within minutes of the first engine start.

There is no such thing as OEM factory fill break-in oil in 2014. Unless somebody can post documentation to the contrary, it's just Internet Nonsense.

You can change oil any time you want and replace it with any kind of oil that meets the manufacturer's specifications, period. If the spec calls for 5w-20, you can dump the factory fill and replace with 5w-20 conventional, semi-synthetic or full-synthetic. And that's before you get into an argument about whether today's Mobil 1 is a true synthetic or hydro-cracked Group III instead of Group IV oil. Then you can go to $10 per quart Group V Redline oil.

A lot of this can I replace conventional with synthetic stupidity goes back decades when synthetics were introduced to engines with seals that were never designed for anything other than conventional oils.
100% spot on and what I have been preaching for the past 8-10 years at least. This isnt 1960 and we arent using cork gaskets anymore.
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That's backwards... It's not on the recommended list. They don't say they recommend not using it.. Mobil 1 has not been tested by Chrysler in the 3.6, and there for there is no way to even say if it meets their standard or not.. And FYI the manual says to use an SAE approved oil and does not say you must use an oil on their list.

More wive's tales. No automobile manufacturer tests motor oils. Oil companies test or pay labs to test their oils to a manufacturer's specifications. It' self certification that the oil company has to pay for.

This is no different than manufacturers self certifying emissions controls . There is no US GOVERNMENT USDA EPA inspector shoving a sniffer up the exhaust pipe of every Jeep rolling off the assembly line. Jeep warrants that Jeep vehicles meet emission standards in effect at the time the Jeep was manufactured for the lrngth of time required by law.
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100% spot on and what I have been preaching for the past 8-10 years at least. This isnt 1960 and we arent using cork gaskets anymore.
No kidding. The average person can't read and of those who can only a fraction comprehend.

I wonder why I bother posting stuff like this. Merely suggesting that another poster doesn't know what he's posting about is enough to get you kicked off an automobile forum.

What's funny is asking the question, getting replies that are based on no direct knowledge or research whatsoever and saying, "Thanks for giving me the answer, guys!" As if anybody on this thread is a triboligist or Chrysler engineer.
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Thanks for the confirmation that I could switch to synthetic oil..


Dwhit,

Many thanks for pointing out that Mobil 1 doesn't meet Chrysler's ms6395 standards. I read your post while I was at the auto parts store (perfect timing), I looked on the back of the Mobil 1 container and it mentioned it meets GM and Ford's current standards but no mention that it meets Chrysler's ms6395 standard. So I went with Pennzoil's Platinum full synthetic 5W-20 which states on the label it meets ms6395's standards.

Thanks again, you saved me from making a big mistake. I plan on keeping the Wrangler a long time and want to make sure I put the right oil in its engine. I am also sticking with the stock Mopar MO-349 oil filter, no aftermarket oil filter for me.

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The Mopar filter... is made by WIX...and there is no other option since its a new design..
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The SRT8 engines in Chrysler Challengers and Jeep Grand Cherokees used to come pre-filled with 0w40 Mobil 1 oil. So if Chrysler doesn't want you to use Mobil 1, why do they fill their best engines with it?
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That's backwards... It's not on the recommended list. They don't say they recommend not using it.. Mobil 1 has not been tested by Chrysler, and there for there is no way to even say if it meets their standard or not.. it could exceed their standards for all we know. And FYI the manual says to use an API SAE approved oil and does not say you must use an oil on their list. IMO it's a marketing ploy between manufactures and oil companies... you just used an oil you otherwise wouldn't have because of it.. if you blew your motor and mobile 1 was drained and sent to chrysler, they would have a very difficult time saying that it was the cause, or that an oil on their list would have prevented it.
I agree with you 100% on it being ridiculous that Mobil 1 is not on the recommended list. I have been using the stuff in many different cars since the 1980s, however the fact still remains there is the possibility that if you use a 5W-20 in a 2014 JK that isn't certified by Chrysler, it may not honor the powertrain warranty if you have premature engine failure during the warranty period. More than likely you are probably right most dealers will honor the warranty no matter what 5W-20 is used, however we have become a society run by "fine print" and other legal jargon nonsense instead of common sense. I will keep my oil and filter sales receipts so that if a engine catastrophe happens to occur (God forbid) I will be 100% sure that I am covered.
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The SRT8 engines in Chrysler Challengers and Jeep Grand Cherokees used to come pre-filled with 0w40 Mobil 1 oil. So if Chrysler doesn't want you to use Mobil 1, why do they fill their best engines with it?
You are correct the early SRT8 6.1 liter V8 equipped vehicles used Mobil 1 oil. If memory serves me correctly, I seem to recall Chrysler switched over to the Pennzoil synthetic oil back around 2008, 2009, or 2010 for all their SRT8 models. What is funny is that Chrysler after the transition to Pennzoil still had the "fill with Mobil 1" oil fill covers in their SRT8 vehicles.

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The SRT8 engines in Chrysler Challengers and Jeep Grand Cherokees used to come pre-filled with 0w40 Mobil 1 oil. So if Chrysler doesn't want you to use Mobil 1, why do they fill their best engines with it?
If im not mistaken it used to be ms6395 certified, and was taken off the list when they implemented more standards including a 2 year trial period.. Mobile said they were going to get it approved not so long ago..
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The Mopar filter... is made by WIX...and there is no other option since its a new design..
Thanks for the info, I didn't know that WIX was the one who made that filter for Chrysler. The clerk at the auto parts store tonight tried to sell me a Fram CH11665 which will fit in the Chrysler 3.6 liter V6. I would never buy a Fram the filters were so bad after Allied Signal took them over years ago and moved production overseas. The quality may be better now, but I am not taking the chance.

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If im not mistaken it used to be ms6395 certified, and was taken off the list when they implemented more standards including a 2 year trial period.. Mobile said they were going to get it approved not so long ago..
You are correct that appears to be the issue that Chrysler has modified their (CS6395) standards according to the info on the Mobil 1 web site that (fellow forum member) Dwhit posted the link for earlier in this thread. That's what had me suprised since I remember Mobil 1 in the past meeting GM, Ford, and Chrysler standards. I didn't realize Chrysler modified their standards and Mobil 1 no longer meets them. Now it makes sense why they dropped Mobil 1 from their SRT8 models a few years ago.

My guess is that Mobil 1 would meet the standards however ExxonMobil (really Exxon) doesn't want to spend the extra money to get their oil certified. Back in the day when it was just Mobil before the merger (or really Exxon takeover of Mobil), Mobil would have made that a top priority to certify their oil for automaker approval. From Dwhit's link to the Mobil 1 website they were talking about working on the Chrysler certification and here it is 2 years later and still no certification. My guess is it's not high on ExxonMobil's priority list.
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The Mopar filter... is made by WIX...and there is no other option since its a new design..
You can use Napa gold filter.
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I agree with you 100% on it being ridiculous that Mobil 1 is not on the recommended list. I have been using the stuff in many different cars since the 1980s, however the fact still remains there is the possibility that if you use a 5W-20 in a 2014 JK that isn't certified by Chrysler, it may not honor the powertrain warranty if you have premature engine failure during the warranty period. More than likely you are probably right most dealers will honor the warranty no matter what 5W-20 is used, however we have become a society run by "fine print" and other legal jargon nonsense instead of common sense. I will keep my oil and filter sales receipts so that if a engine catastrophe happens to occur (God forbid) I will be 100% sure that I am covered.
I'm not sure they would cover any 5w-20, but i don't see them justifying not covering an oil like mobile 1 that has many national/global certs and was certified ms6395 before the new standards and has NOT been tested yet... i could see if a company tried to gain ms6395 and failed or doesn't have many certs.... I'm not sure how this falls legally since the language is vague.. mobile 1 could meet ms6395, but no it hasnt passed ms6395... A better question is if anyone has been denied a claim for using mobile 1... I'm not sure i have herd of many people being denied for things other then running the oil too long or wrong viscosity.
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You can use Napa gold filter.
do they make the new 2014 one?
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do they make the new 2014 one?
Yes. I picked up three filters from Napa in town a month ago.
There is one in my 14 Willies.
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Yes. I picked up three filters from Napa in town a month ago.
There is one in my 14 Willies.
Is the napa, wix and mopar filter the same exact re-branded filter?
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The Mopar filter... is made by WIX...and there is no other option since its a new design..
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Some movement there -- I've found Mopar, Fram and Wix filters for the 2014 3.6L Pentastar.

Wix may make Mopar, and they do look more alike than the Fram, so it's interesting to see that the Mopar filter box says 'Made in USA' and the Wix box says 'Make in S. Korea'...

I started an oil filter thread with comparo pictures of the new filters and a used Mopar filter on the BobIsTheOilGuy forum at
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Is the napa, wix and mopar filter the same exact re-branded filter?
I thought WIX made Napa filters?
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I think we've all heard that Wix makes Napa Gold filters -- anyone confirm that? Or that Mopar are made by Wix for that matter?

The 2014 Mopar filters I've bought so far say 'Made in USA' and the Wix says 'Made in S. Korea' but that doesn't rule out their both being made by Wix, I guess.

The Mopar (USA) and Wix (S. Korea) look very alike in materials, though the glues are different colors. The odd-man-out filter is the Fram, which looks quite different.

As mentioned above, pics of the filters at:
2014 3.6 Pentastar filter thoughts | Oil Filters | Bob Is The Oil Guy

Re: the OP -- I first changed out the factory oil at 2665 miles to a Mopar filter and Pennzoil Platinum 5w20. Then a second oil change at 7707 miles with same oil/filter combo...the Jeep is running great.

I had a great run with Mobil 1 in my 2006 Jeep Commander (177,000 miles) but though I agree that it's largely marketing b.s. I'm erring on the safe side and using oils that are explicitly 'certified' by Chrysler, at least through the warranty period.

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Some movement there -- I've found Mopar, Fram and Wix filters for the 2014 3.6L Pentastar.

Wix may make Mopar, and they do look more alike than the Fram, so it's interesting to see that the Mopar filter box says 'Made in USA' and the Wix box says 'Make in S. Korea'...

I started an oil filter thread with comparo pictures of the new filters and a used Mopar filter on the BobIsTheOilGuy forum at
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Great info there, thanks for posting the link.

Could the reason for the difference in country of origin, Chrysler in its contract with WIX requires they make the filters in the US? I know they have been making for years the Mopar 05281090 which fits so many different Chrysler motors, in the the US. I know for me when I pay extra for the Mopar filters, it's reassuring to see the "Made in the USA". I saw how the old "made in the USA" Fram filters were so good and reliable and then when Allied Signal bought them out and shipped production overseas how cheap the quality was, the fit and finish was also below par. I have never bought a Fram since then.

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I always use the approved oil and viscosity that the Factory recommends.
I have found that the Mopar filters are competitively priced, so why look for a different brand.

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