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Old 05-01-2014, 01:02 PM   #1
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THE tire question no one asks...

Will stock sport s tires fit on AEV pintler wheels?

Thinking of going the AEV route with Quadratec's AEV stage 1 package but dropping over $5k at one time would not leave a lot leftover for tires for a short bit.

Honestly I almost wouldn't mind doing a full aev conversion, just not sure I can do that. (time, $$$, location...)

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Yes, I've seen it a time or two from people looking to spread out the cost over some time.

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If the AEV package is what you want and have the money, then by all means. Honestly, we can get your Jeep looking the same and performing just as good or better on road and off for a lot less money.

If you are interested in what we got then PM me. Otherwise if the AEV is what you really want, go for it. I have seen a few people run stock sized tires under a lift.

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If the AEV package is what you want and have the money, then by all means. Honestly, we can get your Jeep looking the same and performing just as good or better on road and off for a lot less money.

If you are interested in what we got then PM me. Otherwise if the AEV is what you really want, go for it. I have seen a few people run stock sized tires under a lift.

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Just curious what other suspension company has anywhere near the level of R&D and accolades to back it up as AEV?
Just to name a few places AEV has had featured articles, Wall Street Journal, Popular Mechanics, Petersons 4WD and Offroad, Truck Trends, Car and Driver ect....
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I know for a fact that Rock Krawler and Synergy will ride just as great on road and you don't sacrifice anything off-road. I like RK, TF and Synergy over AEV and I sell them all, including AEV. Don't get me wrong, AEV is fine. Their 2.5" kits is a great kit for the money. When they get into 3.5" and 4.5" they rely on bracketry to round out the lift. accolades are fine, but I know what I want as a consumer. I am in a unique position to know what I want and what needs to be done at 3.5" and 4.5" lift heights. What I want isn't necessarily what the next guy wants. AEV is a marketing giant.

Other companies like Rock Krawler (Pure Performance) and Synergy Suspension (Poly Performance) are huge companies as well. I would imagine they have just us much R&D into their products as AEV, just cause it isn't in a magazine doesn't really mean anything.

A lot of times write ups, comparison tests and accolades are pure marketing. The same products being reviewed, a lot of times, are major sponsors or advertisers with said publication. I know for a fact that a similarly packaged deal like the AEV stage 1, with a similar end goal can be had for less money without sacrificing anything.

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I know for a fact that Rock Krawler and Synergy will ride just as great on road and you don't sacrifice anything off-road. I like RK, TF and Synergy over AEV and I sell them all, including AEV. Don't get me wrong, AEV is fine. Their 2.5" kits is a great kit for the money. When they get into 3.5" and 4.5" they rely on bracketry to round out the lift. accolades are fine, but I know what I want as a consumer. I am in a unique position to know what I want and what needs to be done at 3.5" and 4.5" lift heights. What I want isn't necessarily what the next guy wants. AEV is a marketing giant.

Other companies like Rock Krawler (Pure Performance) and Synergy Suspension (Poly Performance) are huge companies as well. I would imagine they have just us much R&D into their products as AEV, just cause it isn't in a magazine doesn't really mean anything.

A lot of times write ups, comparison tests and accolades are pure marketing. The same products being reviewed, a lot of times, are major sponsors or advertisers with said publication. I know for a fact that a similarly packaged deal like the AEV stage 1, with a similar end goal can be had for less money without sacrificing anything.

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One thing about this conversation, is several people are focusing on the lift kit portion of what I mentioned since I mentioned tire size. THe lift is the most minor point of the package to me.

The stage 1 package from Quadratec is:
AEV 2" Spacer Suspension System
AEV ProCal Module
AEV Tubeless Front Bumper
AEV Front Bumper Skid Plate
AEV Winch Mount
AEV Winch Plate Delete Kit
AEV Rear Bumper
AEV Painted To Match Hood
AEV Pintler Wheels in Black


I don't really see the lift kit as much in this package. As I said before, I was thinking 33's or 35's but prob 33's since I have a 3.21 and while I wouldn't mind a re-gear, its not the best use of money for where I live.

I was just thinking this would transform my whole Jeep in pretty much one pass - except the tires which I was hoping I could just add at any point. In truth, I could just leave the rims off till I buy the tires, but if the stock ones fit, depending on my wait, it may be worth it to spend the $$ on mounting and balancing 2xs.

My other thought was to just pay for the AEV conversion directly but I don't think there is any place near me where I could get it done....
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One thing about this conversation, is several people are focusing on the lift kit portion of what I mentioned since I mentioned tire size. THe lift is the most minor point of the package to me.

The stage 1 package from Quadratec is:
AEV 2" Spacer Suspension System
AEV ProCal Module
AEV Tubeless Front Bumper
AEV Front Bumper Skid Plate
AEV Winch Mount
AEV Winch Plate Delete Kit
AEV Rear Bumper
AEV Painted To Match Hood
AEV Pintler Wheels in Black

I don't really see the lift kit as much in this package. As I said before, I was thinking 33's or 35's but prob 33's since I have a 3.21 and while I wouldn't mind a re-gear, its not the best use of money for where I live.

I was just thinking this would transform my whole Jeep in pretty much one pass - except the tires which I was hoping I could just add at any point. In truth, I could just leave the rims off till I buy the tires, but if the stock ones fit, depending on my wait, it may be worth it to spend the $$ on mounting and balancing 2xs.

My other thought was to just pay for the AEV conversion directly but I don't think there is any place near me where I could get it done....
Just a small preference note, I would spend a little more to get the tubed front bumper.
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Just a small preference note, I would spend a little more to get the tubed front bumper.
well I liked the premium front bumper better (and if I had piecemealed this together, that's how I would have gone). Not sure if they will allow swaps - but its only about a $300 savings plus I believe it loses the shipping surcharges when bought as a package.

Just curious, why would you say the premium is that much better than the tubeless?
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well I liked the premium front bumper better (and if I had piecemealed this together, that's how I would have gone). Not sure if they will allow swaps - but its only about a $300 savings plus I believe it loses the shipping surcharges when bought as a package.

Just curious, why would you say the premium is that much better than the tubeless?
Well I recently had a run in with a deer in my last Jeep, having a tube there would have saved a ton of damage, and I'd like to mount some lights there.
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well I liked the premium front bumper better (and if I had piecemealed this together, that's how I would have gone). Not sure if they will allow swaps - but its only about a $300 savings plus I believe it loses the shipping surcharges when bought as a package.

Just curious, why would you say the premium is that much better than the tubeless?
I also prefer the look of the tubeless AEV front bumper myself. Just looks cleaner to me but I know we all have different tastes.

I have a 2" AEV lift on my 14 jkur and run 34's that is the biggest you can safely run with the 2" kit and I actually get a small amount of fender/tire contact on rear on hard off road. Not enough to hurt anything but enough to make noise.
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If I was going to plop down 5k on a stock jeep to change its looks, it wouldn't be on stock tires after I was done......
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I am considering that entire package, not just the lift. We could get bumpers, wheels, tires and even a procal along with the lift and be much less money. I am by no means trying to change your mind, if you like the AEV stuff, look and price, great. Just giving you options and seeing if we could save you some money.

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You can run the stock 255/70-17 tires on the Pintlers which are 8.5" wide. That is the max recommended rim width by GY.
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I am considering that entire package, not just the lift. We could get bumpers, wheels, tires and even a procal along with the lift and be much less money. I am by no means trying to change your mind, if you like the AEV stuff, look and price, great. Just giving you options and seeing if we could save you some money.

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Dan - I honestly appreciate your presence on these boards. I used you as a good example in my marketing class -@ KU I like the friendly comments that are not too pushy about what you can offer. Its a great way to take advantage of new media and market your service. I like your store, but a lot of your products are more "rock crawler" and not something that I feels fits my design. I have no issues purchasing from you if you can price-match.

Right now I am at a crossroads with my build. I like something that works together as a whole package, not just individual pieces. That's why I lean towards AEV - they have an OEM quality design where everything fits together. I have looked at more of a "rock crawler" build but that really doesn't fit my intended purpose - the AEV seems more of an overland build (especially with a Gobi) which right now it seems like I want.


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If I was going to plop down 5k on a stock jeep to change its looks, it wouldn't be on stock tires after I was done......
its not just about looks for me. I need a new hood (mine got major hail damage) and the bumpers are as much for safety as looks. That's about $3500 of the package right there. Another $1200 for the rims and that's where you end up.

Figure another $1500 for tires plus mounting and balancing....

And I still need to add the rear tire carrier, fuel caddy and maybe a hi-lift.

I could do it all that for less if I went Rugged Ridge or Smittybilt but I am thinking its worth it to wait to get the AEV...
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You can piece together a kit that that matches or better then what AEV offers. Here's a example -
- progressive coils (Synergy, RK triple rate
- shocks (Rancho 9000, 7000 w/ rebate. 5100)
- rear track bar bracket (Teraflex)
- longer rear links, stock rears to front
- control arm drop brackets (Rancho, AEV, RC)

I strongly feel AEV's great ride is contributed mostly to the drop brackets. Run without them and see what I mean. Now you're right with any other basic setup in a similar situation. I don't buy totally into their marketing claims. I don agree with Dan on the 2.5"
I haven't done the math on piecing together a kit using other components. Might be worth checking out.
The 3.5" uses the same brackets up front and 0 pinion correction on the rear. Also a stock RHD drag link.
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its not just about looks for me. I need a new hood (mine got major hail damage) and the bumpers are as much for safety as looks. That's about $3500 of the package right there. Another $1200 for the rims and that's where you end up.

Figure another $1500 for tires plus mounting and balancing....

And I still need to add the rear tire carrier, fuel caddy and maybe a hi-lift.

I could do it all that for less if I went Rugged Ridge or Smittybilt but I am thinking its worth it to wait to get the AEV...
Need a new hood? Thats what insurance is for (especially since it isn't for looks).

There are plenty of high quality full width bumpers (f/r) out there for less than $2500 for the pair.

Again there are plenty of companies that offer quality parts besides smittybilt, rugged ridge, and aev.

I have nothing against aev, but for 5 grand I'm not going to be on stock 32" sr-a's...
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AEV is a lot more than marketing. There are plenty of suspension companies spending tons of money on marketing, not a one is sold through dealers, maintain their value and have their parts used as OEM special edition vehicles.
Give credit where credit is due, AEV is the best Jeep OEM and aftermarket company out there.
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AEV is a lot more than marketing. There are plenty of suspension companies spending tons of money on marketing, not a one is sold through dealers, maintain their value and have their parts used as OEM special edition vehicles. Give credit where credit is due, AEV is the best Jeep OEM and aftermarket company out there.
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Need a new hood? Thats what insurance is for (especially since it isn't for looks).

There are plenty of high quality full width bumpers (f/r) out there for less than $2500 for the pair.

Again there are plenty of companies that offer quality parts besides smittybilt, rugged ridge, and aev.

I have nothing against aev, but for 5 grand I'm not going to be on stock 32" sr-a's...
just got the insurance check and they were going to pay so much to have someone do PDR on the hood, I can pay 95% of a new AEV hood (already painted) and delivered to my door.

That's where I have been going back and forth. Its between the AEV and RR. The hood choice to me determines the rest of my build since I want mine to look like a total package. Besides, the stock tires at most would be a few months, not the life of the Jeep.

I have looked at almost every bumper out there. I like both AEVs. I love the new Atlas rear from Smittybilt - just worried about quality and being able to find one (and not 100% into the matching front). I like the RR modular front bumper (sometimes with the storage ends-sometimes just a stubby) but again the quality concerns and I don't like their rear.

I don't like any that still need to be finished ( like some of the poison spider) and honestly none of the other designs from any of the dozen or so catalogues I have stood out (except a cheap tubular rear that I couldn't find a matching front I liked).

I know I know I'm picky but I finally want to do a vehicle MY way and not compromise... Now I just need to figure out what I want

Edit- 1 more thing. I know $5K is a lot of money and I don't take that lightly. My youngest graduates in 2 months. At that point, I literally get an extra 2 weeks take home every month and even though I have a great job, my wife does a lot better than me so a fair part of my check will be free and clear. Its why I am not too worried about the overall $$$ amount and saying the tires would be at the most an extra month if I push it or 2 if I don't.
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Just as a for instance. I can get you into:
Teraflex Performance Levling kit
JCR Off-road Vanguard Full Width front bumper
JCR Off-road Vanguard Full Width rear bumper (tire carrier ready)
AEV Pintlers in black (5)
Goodyear Duratrac 33x12.50R17 (5)
AEV ProCal

For $4112.84

Now you may not like the JCR product, it can be anything filled in there. Expedition One has some sick full width bumpers. There is also the Poison Spyder Brawler Mid width. Keep this in mind the TF performance leveling kit is a spring lift rated to take the weight of the bumpers. The AEV stage 1 package is a spacer lift, and adding weight may still sag the OEM springs. Obviously, we could go the budget boost route and knock a few hundred of my price.

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[QUOTE=KC_Hawker;10308826 I have no issues purchasing from you if you can price-match.[/QUOTE]

Honestly, brother, not trying to talk you out of AEV at all, just seeing if I can save you some money. Like I said I sell AEV too and still may be able to save you some money if you do decide to go all AEV. If that is the route you want to go, give me a chance to quote the AEV Stage 1 package for you when you are ready.



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If you really want an overlanding build, I'd pick the pieces of kit that a real overlander needs/uses.
Start with the most frequent failure points. I'd start with tires; I consider them the most essential piece of equipment.
If you only intend to go to 33s, and I agree that it's a very sane size for overlanding, look at Cooper Discoverer ST-Maxx in the 255/75-17 size. Reasonably priced, fits stock 17" wheels without mods (you can find the wheels cheap if you don't already have them), last a long time, work great in every condition, don't affect fuel economy.
Bumpers. Think light. Aluminum or carbon maybe.
Winch.
Rocker protection.

So you added a little weight and need stiffer springs. Look at the Poly 1" and do the minor upgrades to fit it. Add good lights and declare victory.

A functional overlanding build rarely needs to look like a catalog photo shoot...
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I have the Moab edition which came with AEV front and rear bumpers and I absolutely love it! My Jeep is a DD, but we take it out on weekend excursions and occasionally do a rock park. I was planning armor for my next mod, but the weight of my recovery winch has me leaning towards a suspension upgrade instead. I had planned on the AEV 2.5 as I eventually want to run 33" pizza cutters (will keep the factory wheels) but I may be going with the Rock Krawler 1.5 kit. They have a Max Travel with sway bar discos, or an expedition lift (minus the discos). I hadn't initially considered RK, but the springs on that have me drooling a bit for their on road/off road handing combo. it's a little expensive, but Dan has been incredibly helpful by giving me some great options. One advantage of the RK is that your tires won't look silly, and you can skip the wheels if you don't want a fat 33. Just my own thoughts.
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I've seen Rock Krawler lifts in action and they are superb.

Here's my Jeep so far. No lift yet, 255/80-17 ST-Maxx tires, cb
I'll probably put in stiffer springs to get one more inch. Bumpers and rock rails eventually. A winch would be nice but is on the back-burner.

I'm a 4wd tourist/camper, not a rock crawler by choice. I'll go around or mitigate an obstacle when I can --- my goal is long-distance and getting home in one piece. We're heading out for 17 days in the field soon....

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Looks a little silly, but yes they will fit. I ran SR-A's on my Pintlers for a few weeks while I was waiting for my Duratracs.
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I sold my stock SRAs to the tire shop where I bought the Coopers. Did it right away.
I've seen too many of those SRAs get chewed to bits on little rocks and twigs to even go offroad once with them...
I got $120/tire for them with ~ 200 miles on 'em.
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AEV is a lot more than marketing. There are plenty of suspension companies spending tons of money on marketing, not a one is sold through dealers, maintain their value and have their parts used as OEM special edition vehicles.
Give credit where credit is due, AEV is the best Jeep OEM and aftermarket company out there.
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I like TF a lot, I have bought and used their products and I recommend them frequently but they are not AEV.

AEV focuses on off road performance without compromising and in sometimes improving:
1. Road ride and handling
2. Reliability
3. OEM quality integration.

This means they will only push off road performance so far but not at the expense of the factors but it also means they have pay more attention to engineering and manufacturing. If you want be possible off road performance no matter what then AEV is probably not the best product for you.

For instance, AEV is absolutely the best in some respects but they are probably not the best value unless the three things listed above are important to the buyer. But they are certainly are about Engineering not Marketing. Compared to the past there are so many good choices in Jeep aftermarket products and AEV is just one of them. I don't understand the incessant hatred and dislike towards them. That should be directed towards the manufacturers that sell products of poor quality and capture inexperienced buyers with their marketing ploys. What about MC and RK the other premium manufacturers are they the products of publicity too?

BTW, triple rate coils are not the same thing as progressive coils. Close but no cigar.
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For instance, AEV is absolutely the best in some respects but they are probably not the best value unless the three things listed above are important to the buyer.
Spinlock, you hit the nail on that head with that statement.

Since I drive 99% of the time on the road, on road performance is the MOST important thing to me. Adding a bit of height is nice, but not if it effects on road handling. That's one reason I was leaning towards AEV for a lift. Others may do just as well, but unless one is clearly superior on road its just is a tie. Losing a small amount of ground clearance is not a show stopper for me, I most likely will never go over rocks that would destroy the brackets - or if I am that worried, a slightly bigger tire may compensate. But getting something that is "Close" then not happy with the result would annoy me to no end.

Why do I like the AEV hood? I think the Rugged Ridge performance hood looks better. I have bought other RR items and some felt "cheap". If my replacement hood felt that way, I would be unhappy till it was gone. Also, both hoods cool down the engine compartment a little - which will help if I decide to mount my compressor under my hood. For the cost of a bracket and a change in wiring, its kinda stupid not to and opens up a bit of storage space in a cramped vehicle.

Why do I like the AEV rear bumper? I like the gas caddy. I like the hi-lift mounting place. I like the fact you can store water in it. Not sure how much I would use it, but it could hold water for the dog and not take up space anywhere else. The Smittybilt Atlas holds 2 jerry cans, 1 for gas and one could hold my Jerry can toobox. Again, worried about quality and being mad as myself for being pennywise and pound foolish.

Front bumper I am not as picky with. I like the AEV but the main reason I would go AEV is to match the rear. As long as its strong, well made with a quality finish and I can mount a winch (just in case since I have already once got stuck and could have used one) I am happy. But keeping the theme is important too.

Add in a Gobi and I think my build will be complete. But I need to get that AFTER the bumper just so I know if I need the special adapter to mount it or not.

Now I can piecemeal some of these differing items together, but then its just a collection of bolt on parts. kind of like a shade tree mechanic that spends all his money putting bolt on parts on his motor but never tries to make them all work together.

I am different than a lot of the people I read on here. For instance, I like the Jeep packages. Each one has a different target and I think they are all worth the money. Even things like the polar edition or the dragon edition. If I go AEV, I would even look to swap out little things I already have with the AEV branded one to complete the AEV "package" and make my Jeep have a consistent theme in its design. Yes that level of design is important to me.

That's why I have been leaning the way I have. to fit my vision for my Jeep the AEV may be the best way to go. Now I just happened to stumble across the package I mentioned and it saved a few hundred $$$. It doesn't match my wants perfectly, but it does save a bit and even appears to save on shipping. Now its just save for about 2 months and buy as once, or start ordering little buy little. That's why I asked the question about the tires, to help decide if it was worth it to wait or not (and order as a package) because honestly, out of everything I am looking at, rims and/or tires are the last thing on my list (with the lift as the second to last). Its even behind finishing my stereo build.
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The QT stage 1 kit comes with a 2" spacer kit so your ride will be exactly like your stock ride. I have one on my 2014 jkur and it other then additional height it rides and handles both on and off just like stock does. The package also says the pintlers are hub centric and that is old info as they no longer are hub centric but according to AEV hub centric is no big deal any more. That last part bugs me about aev as they used to claim that as a big selling point and one reason their wheels were better then other aftermarket rims but all of the sudden it is not important.
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