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Old 01-22-2015, 11:58 PM   #1
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To CAI or not, that is the question

First they are not CAI, they are short rams. If you want to true CAI for a Jeep you need a snorkel setup. Second if you are concerned about your warranty don't do it.

For everyone else here is my experience with the Volant Power Core intake setup. I chose this system for one reason only, the Donaldson Power Core filter. I have used these filter for the last 8 years on my Corvette and Duramax and they are just great. Flows and protects better than stock.

The Volant system is very well built. Installation is straight forward. The IAT sensor is moved up slightly from stock which should translate to reduced heat soaking. I don't have a before and after measurement so it is only a deduction on my part. The opening to the filter is much larger than stock. It is located in the front upper area of the box but well protected from water and debris. It is lower than stock though you probably lose a few inches of fording capability. About the only thing I don't like is the is the chrome top cover.

In normal operation intake noise is no louder than stock. If you jump on it you can hear it but coming from big V8's and big turbo diesels it is nothing to write home about. I ran it a few hundred miles to allow the computer to recalibrate before I started taking measurements. Since then I have ran 2 full tanks before writing this.

Power, if it increase or decreased my butt-dyno is unable to detect it. Not that I really expected anything to be honest. MPG, very surprised here. My daily drive is 10 miles one way and takes 20-30 minutes to complete. Lots of stop and go with maybe 5 minutes of steady state driving. I have good records of the last year, 14.5 winter fuel mileage and 15.9 summer time mileage. This is DD results not highway. Anyway first 2 full tanks, 15.9. I have never had winter fuel above 15 let alone almost 16.

So the question has been answered, for me this is a good mod. Nor am I done with it, I plan to modify this air box to accept the Rugged Ridge Snorkel later this year.


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Thanks for the post. If I end up switching out my filter and box, the Volant with the Donaldson is the one I'm going with. That filter is better than a paper filter in more ways than one.

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scribed for future reference...am getting MOD bug for the JK.....
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The CAI may improve filtering and it be channeling more air but with the reprograming the ECU accordingly not much of it will impact the engine performance.
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Nope nor was I expecting much. But the bump in MPG is nice. A extra 1.5 MPG equals almost a $200 yearly savings at todays fuel prices. So it pays for itself in about a years time. And as fuel prices rise the savings only get larger.

I have a long road trip planned here in a couple of weeks, 2500 miles. It will be interesting to see what type of highway mpg I get. I don't normally travel in the winter so this will be new. In the summer my highway mileage is normally in the high teens, low 20's.
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If you go with the Mopar CAI, you don't need to worry about voiding your warranty.
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Good thread. I'm looking forward to hearing how it does on the road trip.
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I was confused and thought I was on SRT FORUM for a couple minutes there... talking about mpg and heat soaking and all...
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If you go with the Mopar CAI, you don't need to worry about voiding your warranty.
This isn't completely the case. Any Mopar branded aftermarket part that's sold by a dealer isn't warrantied by Chrysler as far as possibly causing issues to other components. They have a disclaimer for these parts sold either by a dealer or other distributors. Some dealers will extend their warranty to other components that could be affected. The "Mopar" part itself might have a limited warranty but once that expires the dealer doesn't have to maintain the warranty; for example under 3/36. If the part isn't included with the factory build it's not covered under 3/36, or an extended warranty, by Chrysler. If the dealer will pick up the warranty that's an added benefit, but they don't have to. Another example is a Mopar dealer installed lift. It's not covered by Chrysler other than a limited warranty for the parts themselves. It's treated the same as any other lift from another manufacturer unless the dealer separately indicates in writing that they'll warranty it. If as a result of the Mopar lift a wheel bearing or ball joint fails, for example, Chrysler does not have to maintain the 3/36 warranty on the effected parts. If the dealer will, that's another added benefit. Long winded answer but this is how it works.
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If you go with the Mopar CAI, you don't need to worry about voiding your warranty.
Not according to this guy:

Chrysler is Voiding My Engine Warranty For Using Their Cold Air Intake
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Sure... let's start another will it void my warranty thread.
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Sorry, some will try to blame their own stupidity on others. I've seen people blame Chrysler and the dealer for problems their own mods clearly caused; they are just unable/unwilling to accept the responsibility.

I've been running Mopar CAIs for years on my SRTs and JKs, and never had any issues with the warranty.

We have to be extra careful with CAIs here in California because they need to be C.A.R.B. certified. This is the reason I've been going with Mopar: by definition, they are 50-state certified.
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So I found a great deal on an afe with the dry filter so I bought it.

To me the only question that I wonder is does these system allow more air to get to the intake?

If they do, then there are circumstances that it will help me. Not saying everyone, just me and my opinion.

If they don't allow more air, then for what I paid, if it just sounds cool fair nuff.
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Sure... let's start another will it void my warranty thread.
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Sorry, some will try to blame their own stupidity on others. I've seen people blame Chrysler and the dealer for problems their own mods clearly caused; they are just unable/unwilling to accept the responsibility.

I've been running Mopar CAIs for years on my SRTs and JKs, and never had any issues with the warranty.

We have to be extra careful with CAIs here in California because they need to be C.A.R.B. certified. This is the reason I've been going with Mopar: by definition, they are 50-state certified.
Amen to that.
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If you go with the Mopar CAI, you don't need to worry about voiding your warranty.
This is BS and I can prove it...

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Yep.. RJ. That's a Mopar Performance Part and you assume all responsibility of any and all engine failures as a result of installing one yourself or by the dealer.

This is a fact.. It says that in the disclaimer.

There was no ignorance here.. just the facts that a Mopar CAI and K&N doesn't belong on a Jeep and driven in the Southern California deserts.

That was a simple, honest and costly mistake the OP won't make again.

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Somebody did iirc
Yep. I've rode dirt bikes for many years in our SoCal desert...

Never would I run a K&N ..

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What about posts in the thread like this?

"Read some of the OPs other posts about mods, repairs and trail adventures. I can see why there may be issues with the jeep and I would suspect it doesn't have to do anything with the air cleaner. Good luck with Chrysler"
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Yep.. RJ. That's a Mopar Performance Part and you assume all responsibility of any and all engine failures as a result of installing one yourself or by the dealer.

This is a fact.. It says that in the disclaimer.

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Exactly. And I just finished reading where it says this in the Wrangler warranty guide. Pg 13 of the 2015 manual, it might be on a different page for other years.

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But your warranties don’t cover any part that was not
on your vehicle when it left the manufacturing plant or is
not certified for use on your vehicle. Nor do they cover
the costs of any repairs or adjustments that might be
caused or needed because of the installation or use of
non-Chrysler parts, components, equipment, materials,
or additives.
Performance or racing parts are considered to be
non-Chrysler parts.
Repairs or adjustments caused by
their use are not covered under your warranties.
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RJ.. You wouldn't believe how many guys on the SRT8 forums would buy a CAI and run through a water puddle and grenade the motor..

And then post threads bitching about the cost of repairs.

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Guys can we stop with the warranty stuff. I stated in the very beginning of this post if you are worried about your warranty keep it stock. In fact there probably needs to be a sticky stating just that. Any mod you make may affect your warranty it really is that simple.
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M998dna, in essence you are claiming that the whole authorized OEM parts/franchised dealership business model is a sham.

The rear locker on my 2009 Rubicon broke, still under warranty, as I going up The Waterfall, an arduous, rocky climb on the back of Gold Mountain. I took my Jeep to the dealership, lifted and skip plates all scratched up as they were, and they replaced the whole rear axle; no questions asked.

I don't know the specific circumstances of this fellow and, honestly, I don't care to know. I have seen countless customers do the most outrageous things and when things don't pan out, they go to the dealership expecting to be bailed out of their crummy situation.

I have seen Chrysler honor warranty claims under different circumstances, and I have seen Chrysler --and other OEMs-- deny warranty coverage when they smell foul play.

Call me skeptic.
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M998 don't be affraid.
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M998dna, in essence you are claiming that the whole authorized OEM parts/franchised dealership business model is a sham
I'm not claiming anything... just highlighting the fact that if you buy a Mopar Performance Part it doesn't get you off the hook for repairs. Chrysler states this in all their literature, manuals, etc.

The OP in that Mopar CAI thread learned a hard lesson.. he didn't know this.

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M998 don't be affraid.
You must be a lawyer...

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