...decided to make some of their push-pins have Philips heads on them and threaded, but shitty enough to turn into clay-like consistency in >90F weather, I hate you. I even got out my leatherman's blade to try and pry it up...and the little bastards broke the blade.
Is there anything that Chrysler/AMC has made on Jeeps that PO'd you?
I feel your pain just tried taking mine out the other day. Got one to partially come out then put a screw driver under it, the other I was in the same position as you. Only thought was to drill the center out after trying to get anything under the lip. Which was a fail.
Same thing happened to me on Tuesday. Screwdriver? No. Stanley knife? No. Drill? The drill absolutely took care of business in about 30 seconds flat for both.
Dealership completely mangled that bumper insert when installing some aftermarket lights. They can't even get them out cleanly. They replaced the mangled part and used the same pins. Don't seem to hold as well as the insert can bounce around freely in there. I've not heard it so I don't care.
And don't go to the dealer for grill pins. They'll charge you around $5 per pin. You can get a whole bag of 40 of them for about 1/2 that price on Amazon.
Ha! I just ordered a bag of those exact push pins on eBay -- 30 for $2.49 with free shipping. My intent is to replace those stupid ones with a philips head on the front bumper top trim piece that you can't get out without destroying. Very irritating.
I work at Chrysler. I can reassure you that not every engineer is as smart as his/her title indicates. There are also things that drive quality down, such as the push to save money by using cheaper materials or designs...
To answer your question - THE EXHAUST DOES NOT NEED TO BE SO DIFFICULT TO REMOVE.
They suck in all temperatures. Messed up mine instilling new fog lamps. Messed up the new ones trying to install them. Destroyed them when that panel came off to do my JCR bumper.
I recently taught one of the engineers (I work for FCA) how to drive a manual in a new Rubicon. It was not a smooth process and no, he didn't clearly understand what he was doing.
The pins are frustrating. I drilled them for my bumper. The ones on the top lip of the grille were easy (not threaded).
The one I COULDN'T get out is located in the trim on the roof above driver's side, right in the corner by the windshield. I yanked the trim down about a little and that plastic pin looks threaded...no clue how it comes out...so I just worked around it.
There's a lot to our jeeps that makes no sense mechanically. Don't get me started on the metric bolts...
No it makes perfect sense, My brother's father in-law was a aerospace eng. working on satellites for a company that starts with B. and he had to stop him from using a butter knife to dig out a piece of toast from a plugged in toaster not once but twice!!!!
Yeah use a reverse tap or another easy way is to take a Dremel with a cutoff wheel and grind in a flathead slot. Works like a charm.
Those things are a pain though I feel ya.
Years ago had the head of an Electrical Engineering department take a pair of side cutters and cut the power going into a transformer because it was warm to the touch. It was on a rental house and supplied the 24VAC to the thermostat controlling an exhaust fan.
He then also complained that the sparks ate a hole in the side cutters. DUH! Here's your sign.
More often than not I've found smart people have a certificate to reassure themselves that they are smart. But there's no other tell tale sign that they have an ounce of brain matter in them.
After that one, I ended up drilling a screw in and just yanking it out, and re-using the airdam pushpins (I have to say, the regular, not-threaded pushpins are still 1000x better than what Ford uses).
Glad someone else hates those threaded fuzzy Bunnies as much as I do. Was cursing for far to long trying to them out of the air dam. Seriously why thread them tho?
As stated above usually a matter of cost and ease of getting parts.
I know a guy who makes a living customizing Jeeps and trucks.
You think Jeeps are bad - there are horror stories about pick ups. Can't even get to some of the parts on some pick ups so you have to drill and come at them from behind.
School doesn't teach experience or common sense. I have a coworker who has a masters degree in mechanical engineering. He couldn't figure out that he was putting lug nuts on backwards.
Mine got a shade past destroyed when I removed that filler panel to switch out the factory foglights with Morimoto LED units. Luckily, I had to replace two of my grille pins with snap retainers for the front mask (don't judge me, I hate stone chips and bug stains) and had the forethought to hang on to the ones I took out. They're now (loosely) holding the filler piece down. It shifts around, but I haven't noticed it. Not even on the 1500 miles trip to Carlisle and Philly the Jeep went on right after doing that. I figure when I upgrade the front bumper that panel will have to come out anyway, so no sense in worrying about it.
Those Phillips pins are an exercise in excellent idea, terrible execution. Excellent method of removal and installation by mimicking a screw, terrible choice of material as it collapses for too easily under force and gets destroyed. I have to wonder how they get installed in the first place... I gave up and forced the f***ers out using a panel removal tool between the frame and filler panel. 5 seconds each side and the panel was out.
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