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Old 03-07-2014, 09:07 AM   #1
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TruckLite VS HIDprojectors.com

Hey guys. Looking for some real world feedback on these lights. I currently have TruckLite and have had them for just under a year. I really wanted HIDs when I upgraded lights, but didn't have the $$ to get what I really wanted. I know there was a headlight shootout done and I have looked at those results, but what I am hoping is that somebody here has actually used both light setups in their Jeep.

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I am not sure that you'll get a response on this. Both are expensive solutions. I am sure that folks do their research and buy one or the other.

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I have used just the Trucklites, and did not like them at all. I returned them. This time, I am going another route. I am buying the Cibies from Daniel Stern and they should be en route to me. They have a great beam pattern and are much cheaper. I think the two lamps and adapters were around $250 shipped. Lightbulbs (from Rallylights) were around $20 but you could get them from anywhere....including Dan Stern.

Between the TLs and HID Projectors, I'd get the HIDs without question. The TLs need some work. They are built to the old sealed-beam photometric standard, from what I understand, and have an odd beam pattern with odd artifacts. I could not stand them. They were also just so white/reflective right in front of the Jeep...where they should have been dimmer.
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So if you can wait a bit, I can at least let you know how they compare to the TLs.
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Obviously you are not completely happy with the TLs. The TLs are very good lights but they are not the best LEDs. The pattern is full of artifacts because of the design which uses reflectors instead of projectors like the JWS headlamps. A quality HID system put outs more light than the LED system and uses projectors to create the beam pattern but the headlamps don't last near as long as the LEDs.

Why do you want to replace the TLs? The TLs are in demand so you can recover a big part of your investment but what improvements are you looking for?
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Obviously you are not completely happy with the TLs. The TLs are very good lights but they are not the best LEDs. The pattern is full of artifacts because of the design which uses reflectors instead of projectors like the JWS headlamps. A quality HID system put outs more light than the LED system and uses projectors to create the beam pattern but the headlamps don't last near as long as the LEDs.

Why do you want to replace the TLs? The TLs are in demand so you can recover a big part of your investment but what improvements are you looking for?
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Listen. You didn't have the money for hid conversion but you had the cash for truck lites ??
I have been plenty happy with the truck lites. I'm sure the speaker guys can say the same. Hids seems the cheapest route.
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Listen. You didn't have the money for hid conversion but you had the cash for truck lites ?? I have been plenty happy with the truck lites. I'm sure the speaker guys can say the same. Hids seems the cheapest route.
Edit: i love my truck lites. Should I have gone a different route? I don't know bit I like what I have. Hids will give you the most light IF you go the projector route. Other wise stick the this led's
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I use 8000k hid 55w on my jeep and this setup in my opinion offers much more light than led's.I haven't used the truck lite LEDs on my jeep but do have them on my 1983 datsun 280zx and although they look better than hid's they aren't as bright
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Edit: i love my truck lites. Should I have gone a different route? I don't know bit I like what I have. Hids will give you the most light IF you go the projector route. Other wise stick the this led's
I am looking for more usable light output. The TLs were a little over $400 new, but the HID projectors from HIDprojectors.com are considerably higher in cost (around $750 for fairly bare bones set assembled) and I have not been happy with the light output oe the pattern.

I am looking at the Sealed7 kit from the retrofit source and trying my hand at assembling them, but am a little nervous about screwing them up. The kit I am looking at is around $300 shipped.
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The trucklites are great headlights, vastly superior to the OEMs, and are by far the best bang for the buck. Having said that, they simply are not in the same league as the HIDprojectors...not in spread, in distance, or in usable light distribution. The HIDprojector conversion was definitely worth the money, but since you already spent $400 on the TLs, it sucks that you have to spend another heap on the HIDs. If you have the scratch, they are definitely worth it. I've been running mine for over 2 years, on 2 different Jeeps, and they are still going strong. Worth every penny. If you do get them, go with the 55W ballasts.
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I am looking for more usable light output. The TLs were a little over $400 new, but the HID projectors from HIDprojectors.com are considerably higher in cost (around $750 for fairly bare bones set assembled) and I have not been happy with the light output oe the pattern.

I am looking at the Sealed7 kit from the retrofit source and trying my hand at assembling them, but am a little nervous about screwing them up. The kit I am looking at is around $300 shipped.
If you are not comfortable doing surgery on headlights, just buy them ready made. Sure the DIY kit is only $300, but if you screw up thats a lot of money lost. If you sell your TLs for $300 you can minimize the wallet damage of the HIDs.
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Thanks guys for all of the input. I believe I have made up my mind. Planning to stick my TLs up in the classifieds tonight. Sounds like I am making the right decision. Planning to go with all black with 55w ballast.
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I am looking for more usable light output. The TLs were a little over $400 new, but the HID projectors from HIDprojectors.com are considerably higher in cost (around $750 for fairly bare bones set assembled) and I have not been happy with the light output oe the pattern..
Before you go making wild claims about a product, you should actually do your research. A "bare bones" set assembled from HIDprojectors.com starts at $520 with everything you need, nowhere near the $750 you're claiming. They can certainly get up there in price by modding (angel eyes, devil eyes, halos, shrouds, etc.), but even a "bare bones" set will far outperform TLs (you claimed to have looked at the data, feel free to reference it again on JKO). So for ~$120 more, the set from HIDprojectors.com are definitely worth it over the TLs.

I personally went with Cibies from Dan Stern, so I don't have any skin in this game. Just want to make sure that folks who are just starting out their search have accurate information. I did seriously consider HIDprojectors and connected with Tom on a few occasions to get talk through different options.
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I am looking for more usable light output. The TLs were a little over $400 new, but the HID projectors from HIDprojectors.com are considerably higher in cost (around $750 for fairly bare bones set assembled) and I have not been happy with the light output oe the pattern.

I am looking at the Sealed7 kit from the retrofit source and trying my hand at assembling them, but am a little nervous about screwing them up. The kit I am looking at is around $300 shipped.
If you just want the core HID projectors you can get them from HIDprojectors for less than $500 assembled if you forgo all of the custom parts. You can get at least $300 for your TLs. I sold a set for a relative for $340.
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Before you go making wild claims about a product, you should actually do your research. A "bare bones" set assembled from HIDprojectors.com starts at $520 with everything you need, nowhere near the $750 you're claiming. They can certainly get up there in price by modding (angel eyes, devil eyes, halos, shrouds, etc.), but even a "bare bones" set will far outperform TLs (you claimed to have looked at the data, feel free to reference it again on JKO). So for ~$120 more, the set from HIDprojectors.com are definitely worth it over the TLs.

I personally went with Cibies from Dan Stern, so I don't have any skin in this game. Just want to make sure that folks who are just starting out their search have accurate information. I did seriously consider HIDprojectors and connected with Tom on a few occasions to get talk through different options.
I have done a ton of research on these, trust me. The setup I am looking at is basically bare bones when you consider all of the custom things you can do with Tom's HID kits. I do want to go with 55W ballasts ($50), the monster shrouds with no angel eyes ($50), red devil eyes ($35), 5150K bulbs ($0) and painted housing & shrouds ($50). That totals $705 with no halos or angel eyes. I guess maybe they are not "bare bones", but not nearly as customized as they offer. My Jeep is yellow and I don't think the chrome would look very good. Like the devil eyes just to have something a little different and one of the cheapest options they have.

I am also looking at the Sealed7 kits from The Retrofit Source. They are not available yet, but I can pic that up for around $400 shipped to the door. I can do all of the painting and the assembly (a little scary), but I understand TRS sells high quality stuff and it looks like some serious time and thought went into their Sealed7 kits.
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Tom brought back the DIY kits last week or so- so that's another option for you.

Edit: it doesn't appear to be on the site yet, but if you email him directly I'm sure he'll get back to you quickly. He broke down pricing over on JKO and on his FB page if you want to check there.
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Tom brought back the DIY kits last week or so- so that's another option for you.

Edit: it doesn't appear to be on the site yet, but if you email him directly I'm sure he'll get back to you quickly. He broke down pricing over on JKO and on his FB page if you want to check there.
I have an email into him now for a quote for one of his DIY kits, but honestly, the more I look at the Sealed7 kit the more I think I like it.
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Hey guys. Looking for some real world feedback on these lights. I currently have TruckLite and have had them for just under a year. I really wanted HIDs when I upgraded lights, but didn't have the $$ to get what I really wanted. I know there was a headlight shootout done and I have looked at those results, but what I am hoping is that somebody here has actually used both light setups in their Jeep.

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The Peterson LEDs are also a good value and I hear they work a little better than the Trucklites. I haven't tested them yet though.
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Those real HIDs look amazing. I hear they last a long time, and are they are exactly same as those used in the high-end vehicles...mainly Audis and the 24-hour race cars. I'll try the Cibies and Koitos next, since my TL experience was so underwhelming. If I am not happy with them, I'll probably spring for those HIDs.
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I have done a ton of research on these, trust me. The setup I am looking at is basically bare bones when you consider all of the custom things you can do with Tom's HID kits. I do want to go with 55W ballasts ($50), the monster shrouds with no angel eyes ($50), red devil eyes ($35), 5150K bulbs ($0) and painted housing & shrouds ($50). That totals $705 with no halos or angel eyes. I guess maybe they are not "bare bones", but not nearly as customized as they offer. My Jeep is yellow and I don't think the chrome would look very good. Like the devil eyes just to have something a little different and one of the cheapest options they have.

I am also looking at the Sealed7 kits from The Retrofit Source. They are not available yet, but I can pic that up for around $400 shipped to the door. I can do all of the painting and the assembly (a little scary), but I understand TRS sells high quality stuff and it looks like some serious time and thought went into their Sealed7 kits.
Just so you know, the devil eyes only look good with a behind the shroud angel eye...having a red eye and an orange angel eye will make it look REALLY mean....this thing looks REALLY angry...





I don't like the colors but the look is awesome.
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Yep, I have looked at just about every page of that post. He is really proud of the angel eyes though. The devil eye is a $35 adder and the angel eye would add another $110 for the duel angel eyes. I can get a 120mm LED angel eye with the Sealed7 kit for $60.

The more I have looked, I think I may actually end up going with the Sealed& DIY kit and just take my time putting them together.
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Yep, I have looked at just about every page of that post. He is really proud of the angel eyes though. The devil eye is a $35 adder and the angel eye would add another $110 for the duel angel eyes. I can get a 120mm LED angel eye with the Sealed7 kit for $60.

The more I have looked, I think I may actually end up going with the Sealed& DIY kit and just take my time putting them together.
Sounds good. Just make sure you get a quality angel eye. It would suck to have to take the headlight apart again if the angeleye dies.
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I like the endless possibilities of the HID projectors and was going to get them until a local guy put his JW speakers up for cheap. I don't have any experience with other assemblies but I just don't see how a headlight could put out any more of a clear, wide, and far reaching light as the JWs they are awesome. Worth considering in my opinion.
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Without sounding too ignorant, are they street legal? I really like th elook and function but I have a daily driver and work by lots of cops.
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Without sounding too ignorant, are they street legal? I really like th elook and function but I have a daily driver and work by lots of cops.
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Without sounding too ignorant, are they street legal? I really like th elook and function but I have a daily driver and work by lots of cops.
They have a DOT stamp on the housing and have a cutoff just like any OEM HID system. You will not have any issues with cops.
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$1,400 and change?? For headlights?? Too expensive for my tastes. What about the regular 7in. Hella halogen headlamps? Are the HID's that much better than the Hella 7in.??
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$1,400 and change?? For headlights?? Too expensive for my tastes. What about the regular 7in. Hella halogen headlamps? Are the HID's that much better than the Hella 7in.??
The $700 or so pricetag is for a pair, not each.

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