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Old 06-05-2014, 09:14 PM   #31
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I don't think they are. I think you'll get a bit more right turn.
Agree.
A lot of people install a lift and tend to focus more on things. I've seen this left turn issue many times including here.
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Old 06-05-2014, 09:15 PM   #32
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I don't think (and I could be wrong) full lock left and full lock right are not perfectly even.
ASE should be able to answer that.
"Even" as discussed, is of course a relative thing.

Never seen a steering box perfectly evened out though, always a slight difference off center one way or the other.

Those pics are about as close as it gets regarding 'limit to limit' "even"..

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"Even" as discussed, is of course a relative thing. Never seen a steering box perfectly evened out though, always a slight difference off center one way or the other. Those pics are about as close as it gets regarding 'limit to limit' "even"..
Ha !! Lol, i think he gets the point
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Old 06-05-2014, 10:47 PM   #34
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Toot

There is an alignment adjustment called toe out on turns or TOOT.Your front tires in a turn follow a different radius. Ask them about it.
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Did you check your steering stabilizer...?
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Old 06-06-2014, 12:51 AM   #36
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There is an alignment adjustment called toe out on turns or TOOT.Your front tires in a turn follow a different radius. Ask them about it.
I don't understand the first part of this but you're correct. I believe it's called the Ackerman angle.
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TOoT and Ackerman angle are the same thing but it is not adjustable. If it were set incorrectly there would be noticeably excessive tire scrubbing on turns.
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TOoT and Ackerman angle are the same thing but it is not adjustable. If it were set incorrectly there would be noticeably excessive tire scrubbing on turns.
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Would this cause the steering wheel to be the way it is at both full locks? He steering wheel is straight when I drive after I corrected it today on the drag link.. I don't know what else could cause that
I just checked my 14 rubicon and max turn both ways the steering wheel is centered exactly the same both ways with the jeep upside down like your one photo. I would say something is off on yours based on how mine is.
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Old 06-07-2014, 06:54 AM   #40
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Not sure to fix this. Any advice welcome! Haha
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Not sure to fix this. Any advice welcome! Haha
I would crawl underneath and go over everything and I would also jack the front end up and have some one turn the wheel while I watched to see if anything unusual was happening. If that did not help I would take it to a large tire shop that specializes in alignments. I would as if they are familiar with JK wranglers and make sure they were.

Not sure what they could have screwed up, but I guess when an dealership employee gets screwed by his own dealership think how the rest of the people get treated and feel afterwards lol. If you sell cars or finance them you should wear a button that says our techs are incompetent lol.
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Agree It's as Simple As having somebody turn the wheel while to look... Did you try this ? Ken

Another option, post in the PA section. Have a experiences jeeper help you out.
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Jeez, has anybody else noticed that the o/p doesn't seem involved/to care any more?

Or, maybe he just realized that until a steering box is exactly centered in the vehicle, you will always have a tighter turning radius one way over the the other...
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Jeez, has anybody else noticed that the o/p doesn't seem involved/to care any more? Or, maybe he just realized that until a steering box is exactly centered in the vehicle, you will always have a tighter turning radius one way over the the other...
How am I not involved? I wrote a message tag either day when I received a few replies...
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Other than take pictures of your steering wheel what else have you done?? Crawl underneath that bitch and look!!!

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I crawled underneath over the weekend, nothing appears to be binding up, had a friend help me.
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Take some pics of the front end.
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How am I not involved? I wrote a message tag either day when I received a few replies...
I apologize, my bad..

Here we go then..
If a Jeep arrived with all steering components in a box & I had to set it up from scratch, the process would go like this;

1) Install steering wheel to steering shaft aligning with factory line-up marks on s/wheel & shaft (if no 'marks' are present, begin at #2)
2) Install steering box, locate & mark center using 'stop-to-stop'
3) Connect steering shaft to box & verify steering wheel/box combo are centered using 'stop-to-stop' method (rotate steering wheel on steering shaft to adjust/compensate)
4 Assemble all adjustable steering linkage components (tie-rods & drag/centering link) so equal distance is maintained between sleeved components (ie-same thread count on either side of adjustment sleeve, maybe 10-15 pitch count exposed threads each side to begin with)
5) Install linkage components

To align: (once steering box & steering wheel are correctly positioned/centered)
1) Center steering wheel using drag/centering link (to establish proper initial setting)
2) Set toe (using tie-rod adjustment)
3) Re-center steering wheel using drag/centering link.


Hope this helps you out..
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If I had to 'guess' at what went wrong during your alignment, I would speculate that the steering wheel was removed & re-positioned a spline or two off center to compensate for the techs lack of knowledge/ability regarding adjusting Jeep steering geometry. This would translate/magnify into a noticeable turn radius differential/'left vs right' from the steering wheel to the turning wheels.

Toyota's are mostly rack & pinion in which toe adjustments & wheel centering are done simultaneously while adjusting both tie-rods, not so with Jeeps. I suspect your Toyota Techs may have attempted to adjust both sleeves at once, got lost in the procedure difference, screwed the pooch & then bailed in the only way they could think of.. removing the steering wheel to straighten it out (in some vehicles, that's actually how it's done)..

Of course, without really knowing ALL the facts & specifics, this post is just me thinking out loud ...
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If I had to 'guess' at what went wrong during your alignment, I would speculate that the steering wheel was removed & re-positioned a spline or two off center to compensate for the techs lack of knowledge/ability regarding adjusting Jeep steering geometry. This would translate/magnify into a noticeable turn radius differential/'left vs right' from the steering wheel to the turning wheels.

Toyota's are mostly rack & pinion in which toe adjustments & wheel centering are done simultaneously while adjusting both tie-rods, not so with Jeeps. I suspect your Toyota Techs may have attempted to adjust both sleeves at once, got lost in the procedure difference, screwed the pooch & then bailed in the only way they could think of.. removing the steering wheel to straighten it out (in some vehicles, that's actually how it's done)..

Of course, without really knowing ALL the facts & specifics, this post is just me thinking out loud ...
ASE, thank you for the input! I spoke with service tech who worked on it and asked him exactly what he loosened up. He didn't know what the parts were called so I had him put them out. It was the drag link and SS Bar. He said he did not remove the steering wheel or touch the steering stop bolts. So, the goof is somewhere in what he loosened up...
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Did you actually do a reset on the steering stabilizer installation?

Loosen the SS clamp on the tie rod and turn your wheel to full lock right. Then fully compress the SS and re-tighten the clamp. I end up with about 1/8 less than full compress when I do it this way after the clamp is tightened.

Some of the pro's may critique my method and give better guidance... But this has worked for me.
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If I had to 'guess' at what went wrong during your alignment, I would speculate that the steering wheel was removed & re-positioned a spline or two off center to compensate for the techs lack of knowledge/ability regarding adjusting Jeep steering geometry. This would translate/magnify into a noticeable turn radius differential/'left vs right' from the steering wheel to the turning wheels. Toyota's are mostly rack & pinion in which toe adjustments & wheel centering are done simultaneously while adjusting both tie-rods, not so with Jeeps. I suspect your Toyota Techs may have attempted to adjust both sleeves at once, got lost in the procedure difference, screwed the pooch & then bailed in the only way they could think of.. removing the steering wheel to straighten it out (in some vehicles, that's actually how it's done).. Of course, without really knowing ALL the facts & specifics, this post is just me thinking out loud ...
Sorry master tech but that is a horrible guess... Sorry.

I'd be willing to bet you a VERY large amount of $$$ that they farked up the Steering stabilizer... Just like I said in my very first response to this thread.

You guys are looking way to far into this thing. You don't have to believe me, just humor me... Remove the SS and take it for a drive and post your results.
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Sorry master tech but that is a horrible guess... Sorry.

I'd be willing to bet you a VERY large amount of $$$ that they farked up the Steering stabilizer... Just like I said in my very first response to this thread.

You guys are looking way to far into this thing. You don't have to believe me, just humor me... Remove the SS and take it for a drive and post your results.
Well, I don't know about the "horrible" part, but congratulations to you for being the earliest in pointing out the most obvious of possibilities.
Since the thread was 47 posts deep, with several already discussing the stabilizer, including the o/p himself, I thought it would have been addressed & eliminated as a cause by then, so was reaching a little further.

Thanks for being insulting though, cause that's always helpful...
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Well, I don't know about the "horrible" part, but congratulations to you for being the earliest in pointing out the most obvious of possibilities.
Since the thread was 47 posts deep, with several already discussing the stabilizer, including the o/p himself, I thought it would have been addressed & eliminated as a cause by then, so was reaching a little further.

Thanks for being insulting though, cause that's always helpful...
Sorry if it came off that way but if you stop and really think about what can physically limit steering movement you'd see that none of what you said makes sense.

You could remove the steering wheel and put it in any direction and it and it's not going to physically limit steering to one direction.

All that would do is screw up your clock spring and you'd have a Christmas light show going on in your dash.

What will physically stop steering movement... Hmm

An incorrectly installed pitman arm? Yeah that's pretty hard to screw up cause it goes in 1/4's

Steering stops? Yeah... If they were messed with?

Incorrectly installed steering stabilizer... Yep.

54 posts and he still hasn't figured it out yet.
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Wait I see what your saying...

Tech parked the jeep with the tires turned, then removed the wheel to center steering wheel, then moved it and realized that the wheel was crooked so then he twisted the drag link to compensate... That would limit steering too I guess
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Wait I see what your saying...

Tech parked the jeep with the tires turned, then removed the wheel to center steering wheel, then moved it and realized that the wheel was crooked so then he twisted the drag link to compensate... That would limit steering too I guess
That's how I read his comment. But I couldn't come to grips with why the tech would have removed the steering wheel.
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That's how I read his comment. But I couldn't come to grips with why the tech would have removed the steering wheel.
Agree .. I've seen stranger crap done lol
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Agree .. I've seen stranger crap done lol
I hate to say it but me 3!!

A straight axle front end with fixed ball joints doesn't get much easier... But there's always someone to screw it up and go figure it was a Toyota dealer.

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