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Old 06-04-2014, 12:00 PM   #1
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Turning radius jacked up after alignment?!?

Hey everyone, just want some advice here after I got an alignment yesterday on my JKU Sahara. Lets start out that I work at a Toyota dealership and I needed a tire rotation. I figured after blasting all the potholes over the winter that a fresh road force balance and 4 wheel alignment might as well be in order as I get a discount working there. They use all Hunter equipment. The balance went fine, no problem. I watch them as they are doing the alignment and I notice that they are having some issues and I see 3 guys working on things.... That's not usually a good sign. The finish up and the guy tells me that they had to adjust the steering wheel after it was off centered after they worked on it. I asked if they have any problems and he said that they "loosened up things and then tightened them all down". I was puzzled... So today, I adjusted the steering back to center as it was off still from yesterday. I drive it around to make sure everything is good, I go to pull in a parking spot and the turning radius is not as sharp as it is pulling left. Pulling right seems ok, but not left. It actually skidded into the spot... What could they have messed with to jack up the turning? Any advice would be helpful as they I'm having them correct it tomorrow (hopefully)

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Did they mess with the steering stabilizer. Make sure it's not binding up on you.
Do you have a alignment sheet ?

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Old 06-04-2014, 12:25 PM   #3
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I do have an alignment sheet. Everything looks ok. I don't know what they messed with.. They were screwing around with all types of stuff I bet..
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Old 06-04-2014, 12:36 PM   #4
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Sounds like they messed up the center on the steering box. Center your wheels (regardless of where the steering wheel is), and count the turns from center to lock left, then center to lock right. The number of turns should be the same left and right. Another possibility is they adjusted the steering stops differently left to right. A tape measure on the steering stops should give you a clue if they did, or count the exposed threads on each steering stop. They should also match. Good luck.

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Old 06-04-2014, 12:39 PM   #5
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+1.

Either stabilizer clamp needs to be moved over or for some odd reason they adjusted your steering stop bolts.

Might just throw a couple jack stands under your front axle and turn it to full lock in both directions to see what's hanging you up.
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"Loosened up some things ..." sounds like they were changing things they weren't 100% familiar with. Maybe they played around with the Steering Stop adjustment bolts on the bottom of the the steering knuckles.
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Ugh .. These guys get paid too.
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Old 06-04-2014, 02:38 PM   #8
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Ugh .. These guys get paid too.
That's the scary thing. I just don't know what's out if whack now.
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Post the sheet please .

I had a similar experience back on the day. Tech was trying to adjust toe but the tie rod clamp was frozen. I caught him trying to loosen my track bar clamp. I said forget it I'll get a new tie rod and come back. Never did
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Old 06-04-2014, 03:29 PM   #10
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As stated in an earlier post, count your total steering wheel rotations (3.5 maybe?). Turn wheel to a limit (either left or right) & return wheel exactly half your total count. No matter how the steering wheel or tires appear, your steering box is now centered.

So am I understanding you correctly, you work in a Toyota Dealership? & this is where this shoddy work/explanations occurred?? from co-workers at your job???

Get away from that place first chance you get...
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Old 06-04-2014, 04:25 PM   #11
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As stated in an earlier post, count your total steering wheel rotations (3.5 maybe?). Turn wheel to a limit (either left or right) & return wheel exactly half your total count. No matter how the steering wheel or tires appear, your steering box is now centered.

So am I understanding you correctly, you work in a Toyota Dealership? & this is where this shoddy work/explanations occurred?? from co-workers at your job???

Get away from that place first chance you get...
Ok... Here are some photos of the steering wheel after going from lock to lock. First photo is turning all the way to the right, second photo is turning all the way left. I also attached a print out on the alignment. I'm really not sure how to center everything now and if it will screw up the alignment...





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Steering stabilizer, rip it off and go for a drive.
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Old 06-04-2014, 04:57 PM   #13
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Steering stabilizer, rip it off and go for a drive.
Don't i need it installed? Also, where is the steering stop bolts located?
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No you don't need it installed. Why don't you turn lock to lock. Take a look underneath. I highly doubt they touched the stops.

If the SS is not positioned center of stroke it will bind. Also if it's twisted on the tie rod it will bind up the tie rod and not allow it to cycle forward/back.
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Old 06-04-2014, 05:27 PM   #15
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No you don't need it installed. Why don't you turn lock to lock. Take a look underneath. I highly doubt they touched the stops. If the SS is not positioned center of stroke it will bind. Also if it's twisted on the tie rod it will bind up the tie rod and not allow it to cycle forward/back.
I'm not sure what they touched. I think they played with the drag link and steering stabilizer in all honesty. I just don't know how to center everything back. Including stabilizer..

The previous photos are of it from lock to lock
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Pictures lock to lock don't look bad. They obviously had no clue, because the only thing you can align on a stock JK is toe. I hope you didn't pay for a 4 wheel alignment even if it was discounted. Anyway, I would take the front wheels off and put the front axle on jack stands as stated earlier. You can then turn your wheel easily and look at your stabilizer to see if it's binding when the wheel cranked all the way. If it is you can adjust it. They may have jacked with your drag link way too much. If so, you can count rotations left to right and center the wheel. I doubt the messed with your steering stops if it took 3 of them to "try" and figure out shit they shouldn't even be messing with. Anything is possible tho.
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Your alignment looks good btw

Grab a shot like I have here. Now my SS is raised but the same can happen.

If you look. Your SS Is bolted to the axle. Set location and doesn't move.
The other end bolts to a clamp on the tie rod. This clamp can be loosened. Shifted out/in and twisted.

Turning left the SS extends out. If it maxes out. You will have trouble turning full luck.
Turning right the SS collapses. If the shock were to over compress it would def give you trouble full lock.

When you turn. The tie rod will rotate up/down on the tie rod ends.
Full lock left, tie rod will roast forward towards the front of the jeep,
Full luck left, towards the rear,

Now picture that clamp on the tie rod loose or twisted so the shock won't cycle.
This happened to me. I had the tie rod clamp in too far. The tie rod was unable to rotate and it was felt in the steering wheel Turning.

Hope this helps.. Take pics if you can.
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Old 06-04-2014, 06:13 PM   #18
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Would this cause the steering wheel to be the way it is at both full locks? He steering wheel is straight when I drive after I corrected it today on the drag link.. I don't know what else could cause that
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Doesn't look too far off in the pics ?
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Don't i need it installed? Also, where is the steering stop bolts located?
On the back side of the spindle.
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I wouldn't bother with the stops, that would have shown up in your 'limit to limit' run. It looks like you're wheel is at the same relative position at either stop, more or less.
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I wouldn't bother with the stops, that would have shown up in your 'limit to limit' run. It looks like you're wheel is at the same relative position at either stop, more or less.
Agree
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IMO, you should ask your co-workers specifically what they did...
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Do me a favor...

Turn it to the side that "doesn't turn all the way"

And look underneath your jeep and take a picture of the steering stabilizer like kjeeper said.

Pictures of your steering wheel don't mean squat, it's what's underneath that ain't right.
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Do me a favor...

Turn it to the side that "doesn't turn all the way"

And look underneath your jeep and take a picture of the steering stabilizer like kjeeper said.

Pictures of your steering wheel don't mean squat, it's what's underneath that ain't right.
Stabilizer issue should've shown up in his 'chock to chock' photos (more one way than the other)..

Maybe they just suck at alignments & used the drag (centering) link to compensate toe...
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Stabilizer issue should've shown up in his 'chock to chock' photos (more one way than the other)..

Maybe they just suck at alignments & used the drag (centering) link to compensate toe...
Ohh there's no maybe about it... They do suck at alignments.

Chock to chock photos don't tell me nothing with out numbers...

Could be one whole turn short? No?
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It basically does the right amount of turns, the photos just show lock to lock. Should the steering wheel be at the noon position at full lock on both turns? I do have to adjust my steering drag link again. I noticed its off again tonight.
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Any ideas on the steering wheel at full lock? Is it normal for the steering wheel to look like that? One is off centered and the other is good.. Confused...
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Any ideas on the steering wheel at full lock? Is it normal for the steering wheel to look like that? One is off centered and the other is good.. Confused...
I don't think (and I could be wrong) full lock left and full lock right are not perfectly even.
ASE should be able to answer that.
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I don't think (and I could be wrong) full lock left and full lock right are not perfectly even. ASE should be able to answer that.
I don't think they are. I think you'll get a bit more right turn.

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