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Old 10-16-2007, 05:15 PM   #1
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V8 or Diesel

Does any know or has heard if the Jk will have either V8 or diesel in the near future?

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Does any know or has heard if the Jk will have either V8 or diesel in the near future?
I wouldn't hold your breath. Neither engine will pass federal standards in the Wrangler. They are fine on larger vehicles, but not for the wrangler.

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I wouldn't hold your breath. Neither engine will pass federal standards in the Wrangler. They are fine on larger vehicles, but not for the wrangler.
Where do you get your info from? The JK already has a diesel in the euro countries. What federal standards cant the JK pass? I highly doubt the 2-door will see those however the 4-door could be optioned so I wouldnt rule out either in the next 3 years (albeit a very small v8).
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Where do you get your info from? The JK already has a diesel in the euro countries. What federal standards cant the JK pass? I highly doubt the 2-door will see those however the 4-door could be optioned so I wouldnt rule out either in the next 3 years (albeit a very small v8).
Binary works at a Jeep Dealership. I'm sure that his information is not too far off. There very possibly could be a Diesel in the JK's in years ahead, but it won't be any of the powerplants that are in a vehicle right now. You are also going to see the newer 4.0L V-6 in there before you'll see a V8. It makes sense for Chrysler to extend the product lines into what they already know.
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Where do you get your info from?
I sells 'em.

Seriously though. I know they offer the JK in a diesel, however, they would have to develop another diesel engine in order to sell one here in the US. I just don't see them spending the money on R&D to do this when frankly the sales wouldn't be that high. Now I know what you're thinking, they would totally sell!! And everyone else is thinking that same thing too, however keep in mind that we are in a forum that is fanatical about their wranglers. Now, when factored in with EVERY potential Jeep purchaser, it is a small percentage.

*EDIT: Also, the CRD engine they have in the Jeeps overseas won't pass federal sulfur emissions standards based on the size and weight of a wrangler. Yes you heard me right, a diesel that won't pass emissions. I know I know...

Same thing with the V8. I agree, the 4 door would be extremely bad a$$ with a small v8. Heck, I'd love one with a blown out Hemi pushing 425HP. However, again there is no existing motor that would fit the bill here and serve the general public.

I do agree with BLKJP that new 4.0 would be a GREAT way to go. Now THAT is a nifty idea. It would be a nice match, those things have decent power and pickup. The Nitros and the Pacificas that have them go pretty speedy.

*EDIT: I do however believe that now Cerberus has privatized DCJ they will be more aggressive in these kinds of areas. I think we will see a diesel wrangler, just not for some time and it may not be a JK, but I think we'll see a more powerful engine first.
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Didn't the diesel Liberty sell out incredibly fast? faster than they thought? I heard there were waiting lists for people to get em.
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Didn't the diesel Liberty sell out incredibly fast? faster than they thought? I heard there were waiting lists for people to get em.
It wasn't so much that they sold out fast, it was that they expected 5k sales and they got 10k in a year. About 8k wranglers are sold every month. Everything is relative.
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so they had double the sales they expected, what makes you think they wouldn't have the same experience with the wrangler. One of the main complaints about wranglers is the piss poor mileage, that would be nicely addressed with a diesel option.
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The other thing you have to think of is fuel prices. Currently(here at my house) regular unleaded is $2.65 while diesel is $3.00. When you consider the slight mileage advantage to the price of fuel, you'll almost break even. The only thing you'd gain is the extra power.... and when the vehicle costs a premium just for that engine upgrade, it would turn people off. There are all kinds of deciding factors other than "will is sell?".
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Not to mentin, the real benefit of a diesel, at least to the general public is long haul towing, not a strong suit for our favorite vehicles! Factor in how many people lease nowadays, they don't care if the motor will last 400k miles, they are turning it back in at 60k!
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If a diesel is in the works, I can see it only being in the 4-dr JK's though.
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hmm, I had an 03 3500 dually Ram with the Cummins and got 24mpg loaded down with tools.
My buddy has an 03 1500 with the hemi and gets 18 empty.
There's more than a slight mileage increase.
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Not to mentin, the real benefit of a diesel, at least to the general public is long haul towing, not a strong suit for our favorite vehicles! Factor in how many people lease nowadays, they don't care if the motor will last 400k miles, they are turning it back in at 60k!
I see Wranglers towing tent trailers and u hauls down the highway all the time, even if they weren't, just pushing these damn bricks through the air is equivalent to towing with another vehicle.

The Wrangler is the perfect platform for a small diesel powerplant, especially in off roading where low end torque rules.
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so they had double the sales they expected, what makes you think they wouldn't have the same experience with the wrangler. One of the main complaints about wranglers is the piss poor mileage, that would be nicely addressed with a diesel option.
I'm just saying that creating one engine strictly for use in one model wouldn't be economically viable. That's it. Nothing more. The diesel engine they produced in the Liberty is the same engine they are using in other vehicles. That's why they did it.

I would have to say that 90% of the people that buy new wranglers, buy them for the "cool" factor. Not because of their capabilities. It's a sad fact, but it's true. We just happen to be on a forum about wranglers and have an above average interest in the subject. But if you gathered all wrangler owners in one place, we would be a small minority. I see it everyday. Out of all the new JK's that I've sold so far, I bet only one of them has actually seen dirt. The folks that buy a Wrangler because it's cool don't care about their gas mileage and they won't drop the extra cash on a "smelly weird sounding diesel." Base price of a diesel equipped Unlimited would probably be 27k at LEAST. Especially if you figure in the fact that you can't touch a diesel Grand Cherokee for less than 44k. The diesel actually costs $1000 more than the hemi option does.
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There was mention in the latest truck trend about deisels in Jk's . Basicly what I got out of it was not to hold your breath, Jk's in the states probably wont see it....Also if the Chrysler group don't turn it around sometime in the future,that the Chrysler/Dodge nameplates may be sold off to a "third world owner" The Jeep nameplate to a "major automaker"
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Cummins JK 6cyl 5.9

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If I'm not mistaken, that is the one ton JK they did for JP magazine, what a huge waste, they took a 3500 rolling chassis and shortened and narrowed the frame, all kinds of stupid crap just to cram that power train in to a vehicle that wasn't anywhere near capable of handling it, just for the shock & showcar value of it! In fact, IIRC, I think they at least started w/ a 2WD Wrangler 4dr, not sure if they ever actually made it 4wd!

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The 3.8 has something the other dont..its easy to work on and compact..

I would love ta see a deisel in it but Im not holding my breath

as for a V8....the 4.7 would fit but the milage figures would be really bad draggin down the Cafe which frankly Chrysler has a problem with anyway

Not to mention we would be lookin at a much more complex powerplant stuffed into the hole.......bout the only thing easy is the plugs.....

The Hemis an even bigger PIA ta work on.......

The aftermarket is gonna help us out with the 3.8 now that its in a more "performance" minded aplication .....I expect cams and stuff are forthcoming.....g
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A V8 would be allot of fun. But how is the 3.8 that comes in the Wrangler. If you read most reviews they say the Wrangler is underpowered, and sluggish with the 3.8 V6. What do you owners think of the standard powerplant?
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I went from a tricked 5.7 Hemi in a Durango to the JK. HUGE power difference but I think the 3.8 is fine. Even the guys with 37s say it is enough. A lot of how it feels will be in the gears; I have the 4.10s in the Rubi, so I'm good to go. If I went with 35s or 37s, I would upgrade the gears so it wouldnt feel like I lost any power.

All that said, everyone wants more power.
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So what would the Wrangler get?? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Chrysler's James Press: Every model to offer alternative-fuel version

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Chrysler LLC's new top product strategist said today that the automaker plans to eventually introduce alternative-fuel versions of every model it makes.

James Press, the Chrysler vice chairman recruited last month from Toyota Motor Corp., told The Detroit News today that Chrysler "absolutely" expects to provide a hybrid, diesel or other environmentally-friendly version of each of its cars and trucks.

"Every car will be impacted by advances in power-train," Press said in an interview with The News. "Plug-in hybrid, diesel hybrid, fuel-cell hybrid, a petrol hybridthey're all in the mix."

Press declined to identify a time frame, but emphasized that Chrysler is accelerating its "greener" vehicle development after lagging behind rivals such as Toyota and Honda Motor Co.

He said that Cerberus Capital Management, the new owner of privately held Chrysler, is committed to spending heavily on advanced power-train designs that use less fuel and preserve the environment.

"Cerberus has opened up the wallet to make (capital expenditures) especially in the area of product development and technology," Press said.

Last month, Chrysler announced the creation of a new division dubbed "Envi" to focus specifically on energy-efficient vehicles.

With sales of its core sport-utilities and pickups hurt by rising gas prices, Chrysler has been criticized as moving too slowly on alternative-fuel vehicles. The company's first hybrid gas-electric models are not due out until 2008.

You can reach Bill Vlasic at (313) 222-2152 or bvlasic@detnews.com.

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Also, Chrysler Canada thinks more diesels are coming. If the Wrangler does get the V6 as mentioned above, would it likely come with MDS?

Chrysler Canada (and U.S.) to See More Diesels


More diesel engines, and other fuel-saving technologies, are in the works for Chrysler in Canada, says Reid Bigland, the President and CEO of Chrysler Canada.

Bigland, in a recent piece published in the Windsor Star in Windsor, Ontario, said the company is exploring using its 3.0-liter V6 diesel in other vehicles for the North American market. Chrysler is also considering a four-cylinder diesel for North America, he said.

“Over the three-year period through 2009, Chrysler is introducing 20 new and 13 refreshed vehicles including a greater percentage of diesel-powered and small vehicles,” Bigland wrote.

The benefits of diesel are huge - a 30 per cent improvement in fuel efficiency and up to a 20 per cent reduction in CO2 emissions, compared to an equivalent gasoline engine.

Currently, Chrysler’s diesel offerings in North America include the Jeep® Grand Cherokee diesel; the Dodge Sprinter diesel; and the Cummins diesel-powered Dodge Ram Heavy Duty.

In addition, consumers will also see better fuel economy with the introduction of mild hybrids and more small and subcompact models, Bigland said.

Below, we’ve included a portion of Bigland’s comments from the Windsor Star:


In Canada, 2007 has been an especially positive year for Chrysler with continuous sales growth dating back to 2006. This growth, primarily driven by our new line of compact vehicles, has elevated Chrysler to become the No. 2 seller of cars and trucks in Canada. This year, we continue to see vehicles like the Dodge Ram and Jeep Wrangler win over new customers.

To keep that momentum going, we will continue to focus on serving our customers and bringing out great new products - including our all-new lineup of 2008 Chrysler Town & Country and Dodge Grand Caravan minivans. With 35 all-new or improved interior features, a completely redesigned exterior and lower MSRP pricing, these new minivans are sure to stay among the most popular vehicles in Canada.

Over the three-year period through 2009, Chrysler is introducing 20 new and 13 refreshed vehicles including a greater percentage of diesel-powered and small vehicles. And we are investing $3 billion dollars in new fuel-efficient powertrains - engines, transmissions and axles - to support our new products.

Wherever I go in Canada, from Vancouver to Montreal to Halifax, consumers ask me what kinds of technology are on the horizon to meet their needs for both performance and increased fuel efficiency.

Here are the key technologies, including a bigger push into diesels and hybrids, coming from Chrysler to meet that challenge:

The biggest improvements to fuel economy are actually to be found in traditional gasoline engines. Our all-new, highly fuel-efficient four-cylinder World Engine powertrains, with dual variable valve timing, are already powering vehicles such as the Dodge Caliber, Dodge Avenger, Chrysler Sebring, Chrysler Sebring Convertible, Jeep Compass and Jeep Patriot. All of these vehicles are enjoying increased sales momentum with this new powertrain.

And we are currently in the development of an all-new family of V6 engines that will feature Chrysler's patented Multi-Displacement System currently increasing fuel economy in our legendary Hemi V8 engines. MDS allows the engine to operate with half the cylinders shut down when less power is needed, and all cylinders firing when more power is required. This seamless transition optimizes fuel economy without sacrificing vehicle performance or capability.

Another big opportunity for Canadians is in the area of new advanced clean diesel technology. Along with great power and low-end torque, this new diesel technology will provide up to a 30-per-cent improvement in fuel efficiency and up to a 20-per-cent reduction in CO2 emissions, compared to an equivalent gasoline engine.

Chrysler's current diesel lineup includes: Jeep Grand Cherokee, with an award-winning Mercedes-Benz turbodiesel engine; the Dodge Sprinter; and the Cummins diesel-powered Dodge Ram Heavy Duty. After 2009, we will introduce an all-new Cummins turbodiesel engine in our light-duty Dodge Ram pickups.

We see a continued expansion of our diesel products in the North American market. In fact, we are exploring additional application of our 3.0-litre V6 diesel engine, and the possibility of a four-cylinder diesel.

Another technology in the Chrysler powertrain lineup will be the next generation of hybrids. As part of our joint venture with General Motors, Daimler and BMW, our two-mode hybrid system leapfrogs current technology by addressing inefficiencies that exist with traditional hybrid technology. The result will be a 25-per-cent improvement in fuel efficiency overall and a nearly 40-per-cent improvement fuel efficiency for city driving.

In 2008, our two-mode hybrid system, mated to the 5.7-litre Hemi with MDS, will be available in both the Dodge Durango and the Chrysler Aspen. Moving forward, we will look to expand our two-mode hybrid to other vehicles, and to bring to market mild-hybrid technology. Mild hybrids provide some of the benefits of full-hybrid technology, with less of the cost/weight penalty incurred by a full-hybrid drivetrain.

And perhaps the biggest gains in fuel economy will come from new highly efficient and affordable subcompact vehicles coming to market. Chrysler recently finalized an agreement to work together with Chery Motor Co. of China in developing and manufacturing small and subcompact cars that will be distributed globally under Chrysler brands beginning next year. This agreement will enable us to profitably compete in small-vehicle segments that are critical to international success and becomingly increasingly important in North America.

All of these efforts demonstrate that Chrysler is working with a real sense of urgency to further improve fuel efficiency across our lineup. Our powertrain upgrades and innovations demonstrate that we are making the investments necessary to pave the way for future success by delivering vehicles that meet the needs of our Canadian Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge customers.

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A V8 would be allot of fun. But how is the 3.8 that comes in the Wrangler. If you read most reviews they say the Wrangler is underpowered, and sluggish with the 3.8 V6. What do you owners think of the standard powerplant?
It is if you have stock gears and the larger tire package. However with the 4:10 option it is perfect. I don't have any issue with the 2 door's power. But if you're getting a 4 door, go for the 4:10's.
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It is if you have stock gears and the larger tire package. However with the 4:10 option it is perfect. I don't have any issue with the 2 door's power. But if you're getting a 4 door, go for the 4:10's.
So your saying when I order my 08 X to pay the extra $50 3.73 gears over the 3.21's?
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So your saying when I order my 08 X to pay the extra $50 3.73 gears over the 3.21's?
Yup. Unfortunately you can't get the 4:10's anymore in an X. Which I'm sure they did to push people towards the Rubicon.

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