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Old 01-11-2014, 10:56 PM   #1
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Wet floor, but no observable leak?

I had my Jeep parked in the rain (and some melting snow) for the first time yesterday and the drivers side floor was drenched when I got in last night - but I can't tell where the leak is coming from. The water seemed concentrated toward back-left of the driver's side floor.

It doesn't seem like the top was leaking at all, the seals and surrounds were bone dry, nothing dripping down the door, A pillar, center console, etc. The top and body were wet enough that I think I would have noticed any leak coming from the top on the drive home.

I'm wondering if water could have gotten in underneath the door 'cuz I have the Mopar door sill protectors, but it got wet while parked, not while driving.

I would have driven it in the rain a bit more but it stopped before I got a chance. Today I took a minute to Shin-Etsu grease up every seal anyway including the door surrounds. I plan on taking it through a touchless wash tomorrow to see if it still leaks, and if I can pinpoint a source - but does this sound familiar enough to anyone that there are key areas to check?

EDIT: 2013, 2dr, hard top.

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Mine did this too. It was because the vent between the hood and windshield frame was too clogged up with dirt and mud and whatever else to where it couldn't let the water pass through. It just built up and seeped through the rest of the firewall to the interior.

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... Boy I hope that's not it, I've only had it a month and haven't been anywhere muddy yet.

I've got a bag of damp-rid in there now... I'm thinking about pulling the carpet to at the very least dry it out a little better. The last thing I need is it rusting from the inside out.
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... Boy I hope that's not it, I've only had it a month and haven't been anywhere muddy yet.

I've got a bag of damp-rid in there now... I'm thinking about pulling the carpet to at the very least dry it out a little better. The last thing I need is it rusting from the inside out.
If it was that then it wouldn't be a big deal. I just pulled the panel and dug out what I could with my hand, then sprayed it with a hose.
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Pull the freedom top and see if there is sloshing ...if it was the top it comes from the screw down hole for the top in the roll bar.
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Same happened to me. I did not remove the snow. There was about 1 maybe 2" Water will eventually seep through the fabric. My horn kept sounding which was freakin annoying.
All I did, wet vac the standing water if any. (Pull the drain plugs and keep out) Then I cranked the heat full blast and set the heat to the floor vents only. Jeep was almost 90* and dry in less then 45 min Not good for your gas but it worked
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Another winter tip

I use a expandable window snow/Ice brush. Extend from center cub holder to the soft top. The wide brush end won't imprint the top and allow water to drain rather then sit. Protects damage from heavy snow too.
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^ Yep. Run the defrost with it on mostly feet and the A/C dryer will suck the moisture out of the air in the Jeep too because it will run on recirculate.

It's possible water seeps in somewhere along the firewall seem and then it froze - gapping it wider since water expands when frozen. Upon starting to melt, the gap was held wide enough to allow the wicking of water to to inside of the Jeep.
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My HT leaks too....Thats why I park it inside.
I found a VERY SMALL line of water running down the front and rear of the front door pillars...This water line was like the size of a hair ! It would collect on the step thru and run under the plastic cover and soak the rug....
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The important thing is not to let the water sit. If you do, your tub will begin to rust. And, not just the water, but the moisture too. I always wipe away the hard water too. That stuff is like acid. Clean and dry.
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Ran mine through the car wash, nothing came in unitl the rinse water came straight down and followed the rear driver freedom panel, then inside and down the door and my arm. I pulled the panel, wiped clean and used some RV slide lube, don't use Vaseline, NAPA sells some Sil-Glyde which works too.

Dealership can also adjust the top if it needs it.
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This happened on my 13. Dealership replaced the entire DS door seal. I guess it is a known issue. Now the door is too damn hard to shut! LOL
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My hard top never leaked. Soft top is a different story. The run off channel runs the water to the door and straight into the jeep. Seems to be worse in the cold weather, assuming beside the seals are hard. I've heard loosening the door bolts and angling the door up 1/16" works well. I really need to just remove the carpet. Drop in a molded liner or bed line.
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Sometimes you just have to deal with it.

Sometimes if you leave them parked with the nose facing downhill water gets in at the header seal. It's been said that every jeep leaks.

Mine stays dry for the most part. If it really really rains hard, it leaks a little from unknown locations. Never a lot, just a drip here, a drip there.

If its not leaking much, i wouldnt worry too much. You've indicated it is leaking a lot, but i just say this for future reference.

I love how someone said its a "known issue". Of course a removable top leak is a known issue. Even disregarding the "jeeps leak" nonsense, there are many many places that it has to get a water tight seal. It's very difficult for that to occur.

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... Boy I hope that's not it, I've only had it a month and haven't been anywhere muddy yet.

I've got a bag of damp-rid in there now... I'm thinking about pulling the carpet to at the very least dry it out a little better. The last thing I need is it rusting from the inside out.
This is why i bed lined my jeep. Of course, you can put the carpet back in over the bedliner after it fully cures. It almost certainly won't rust with bed liner.

If you spill that damp rid that can acelerate rust. I wouldn't use it for this.

You can pull the carpet out very easily, it's cut into about 6 small sections and is installed after the entire interior is installed. It's made to be removable. I would pull out the wet sections and let them dry in a bath tub.
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^ Yep. Run the defrost with it on mostly feet and the A/C dryer will suck the moisture out of the air in the Jeep too because it will run on recirculate.

It's possible water seeps in somewhere along the firewall seem and then it froze - gapping it wider since water expands when frozen. Upon starting to melt, the gap was held wide enough to allow the wicking of water to to inside of the Jeep.
not all of us have air conditioners.
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Mine leaks too. I think the ultimate fix is a soft top but I am working with the dealer to resolve the issue. Had both driver and passenger door seals replaced (both tough to shut now) and it's helped the passenger side some but drivers side leaks worst but in a different place. 6 total leaks at the moment. Now when driving it leaks like its raining inside at the top of the B pillar on the driver and passenger. I keep towels just inside the doors when I know it's going to rain and do my forensic water research when I it stops. Pulling the carpet and plugs when I have to.

Still would not trade my Wrangler though. Good luck!
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Well, I ran it through the wash today - it's 100% not the top. When the sprayers came on, I watched a trickle come in through the bottom of the driver's side door - and a tiny drop came through the passenger side. I removed the door sill protector (Mopar) and it persisted on a second run through. It looks like a bad door seal... or at least something in that general area. I wasn't able to find a water trail anywhere else; just water coming in right by the front bottom curve of the door.

Everything seems to have dried out nicely with the damprid and I'll be scheduling a fix with the dealer.
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Sometimes you just have to deal with it. Sometimes if you leave them parked with the nose facing downhill water gets in at the header seal. It's been said that every jeep leaks. Mine stays dry for the most part. If it really really rains hard, it leaks a little from unknown locations. Never a lot, just a drip here, a drip there. If its not leaking much, i wouldnt worry too much. You've indicated it is leaking a lot, but i just say this for future reference. I love how someone said its a "known issue". Of course a removable top leak is a known issue. Even disregarding the "jeeps leak" nonsense, there are many many places that it has to get a water tight seal. It's very difficult for that to occur. This is why i bed lined my jeep. Of course, you can put the carpet back in over the bedliner after it fully cures. It almost certainly won't rust with bed liner. If you spill that damp rid that can acelerate rust. I wouldn't use it for this. You can pull the carpet out very easily, it's cut into about 6 small sections and is installed after the entire interior is installed. It's made to be removable. I would pull out the wet sections and let them dry in a bath tub.
I agree with all of this, but we have older jeeps. Of coarse I would be disappointed spending 30-30k on a new jeep and having it fill like a bath tub. My Tj was over 10 years old and dry as a bone. The design of the newer tops-- the way the water is "supposed" to run through the channels and out-- instead leads it right into the jeep. Poor design and I can't understand why it's not fixed or re-designed
Until then.... Bedline for the win
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Mine leaks too. I think the ultimate fix is a soft top but I am working with the dealer to resolve the issue. Had both driver and passenger door seals replaced (both tough to shut now) and it's helped the passenger side some but drivers side leaks worst but in a different place. 6 total leaks at the moment. Now when driving it leaks like its raining inside at the top of the B pillar on the driver and passenger. I keep towels just inside the doors when I know it's going to rain and do my forensic water research when I it stops. Pulling the carpet and plugs when I have to. Still would not trade my Wrangler though. Good luck!
I don't know. Like I said ... My hard top never leaked. Soft top does bad.

The problem I truly believe is the rain channels not sealing. Not so much the seals not sealing. The rain channels need to run the water out. My Tj did not have these channels. The top overlapped the windshield. If it leaked the seals were bad, it Never did though.
Try tilting the door up 1/16 or so. Water seems to come in where the windshield channel meets the door channel.
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I can understand it leaking from some easily identifiable poorly sealed uncommon-on-a-vehicle area (Freedom tops, I'm looking at you), but yeah - like kjeeper said - $31k on a brand new Jeep just to find out that a door seal is leaks leaving me wading on the driver's side (and this was very, very squishy)... not okay.

It's all under warranty, though, and easily repeatable, so I'm sure they'll make right. I was quite pleased to find that the top did NOT leak - but I greased it anyway, since it was built in mid-2013 and probably had been left dry since.
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none of you guys have ever had a camaro im guessing. T-tops? Heh, heh, heh ......
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none of you guys have ever had a camaro im guessing. T-tops? Heh, heh, heh ......
Oh man... my first car was a Firebird. It smelled like sex, weed, various automotive fluids, and mildew. But I was young enough that I didn't give a damn that it was leaking and only paid $2800 for it at the time.
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I don't know. Like I said ... My hard top never leaked. Soft top does bad. The problem I truly believe is the rain channels not sealing. Not so much the seals not sealing. The rain channels need to run the water out. My Tj did not have these channels. The top overlapped the windshield. If it leaked the seals were bad, it Never did though. Try tilting the door up 1/16 or so. Water seems to come in where the windshield channel meets the door channel.
Funny the soft top on my 07 didn't leak but I did have the issue when you opened the door some ran in. That did not bother me much. That was the reason why I said that I suspect that the soft top was the fix. They checked the door alignment last time but I will ask about adjusting up.
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I can understand it leaking from some easily identifiable poorly sealed uncommon-on-a-vehicle area (Freedom tops, I'm looking at you), but yeah - like kjeeper said - $31k on a brand new Jeep just to find out that a door seal is leaks leaving me wading on the driver's side (and this was very, very squishy)... not okay. It's all under warranty, though, and easily repeatable, so I'm sure they'll make right. I was quite pleased to find that the top did NOT leak - but I greased it anyway, since it was built in mid-2013 and probably had been left dry since.
I am with you on this Dan, I suspect the freedom tops is the issue as well.
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This is a door seal issue. I had the identical leak and the dealer replaced the door seal but it seems there's a different (possibly better) solution.

Check out this post - > right here <
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Dealer appointment made for Wednesday morning. They have a guy called "The Water Doctor" who apparently specializes in this stuff.

In case y'all are curious...
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Have you tried your rear wiper?

when i got the car at first, i found water in the driver side, i didn't know where it came from, i took it the dealer, the problem was that the hose that goes the rear wiper is not connected, so everytime i try to open it, it dumps all the water under the seat and under the door.

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That's exactly what mine looked like. It's a door gasket and I'm sure the dealer will take care of you.

Did ya check the thread I posted? Good tip on how to modify the gasket if this happens again.

I've not had to modify anything yet...but will if the replacement door gasket does the same thing down the road.
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Ain't the wiper, this is in a car wash

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That's exactly what mine looked like. It's a door gasket and I'm sure the dealer will take care of you.

Did ya check the thread I posted? Good tip on how to modify the gasket if this happens again.

I've not had to modify anything yet...but will if the replacement door gasket does the same thing down the road.
Yeah, saw the thread... and several others after I isolated the problem. If the dealer/water doc can't fix it, I'll try some mods. I vaguely remember seeing something about running a thin tube inside the gasket to keep it expanded, and other MacGyver style fixes.

There's also the piece of foam tape right before the "bend" to channel water out before it even gets that far down.
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Ain't the wiper, this is in a car wash Yeah, saw the thread... and several others after I isolated the problem. If the dealer/water doc can't fix it, I'll try some mods. I vaguely remember seeing something about running a thin tube inside the gasket to keep it expanded, and other MacGyver style fixes. There's also the piece of foam tape right before the "bend" to channel water out before it even gets that far down.
Nice ... Post any links you find, or a fix that works.

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