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Old 02-11-2017, 07:49 PM
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Wiring conflict for backup camera

Hi all. I'm in the middle of installing an Alpine HCE-TCAM1-WRA into my factory 430N. Now that I've got the dash torn apart I just noticed there's a conflict in the instructions. Keep in mind this camera also incorporates a third brake light as well as a backup light.

The instructions that came with the camera itself have a section on connecting it with a factory head unit. In there it gives clear instructions for splicing the wires to the Jeep's factory wiring. There are 5 wires in the diagram that are connected as follows:
Alpine Black to Jeep Black (ground)
Alpine yellow/black to Jeep white/black (3rd brake light)
Alpine red to Jeep red (acc)
Alpine orange/white to Jeep white/gray (reverse light)
Alpine orange to Jeep white/purple (12v illm)

However, to connect this camera to the factory head unit I had to buy a separate wiring harness, made specifically for this setup but the instructions included in that wiring harness show the wiring connections as follows:
Alpine orange/white AND Alpine red to Jeep white/gray (reverse)
Alpine yellow/black to Jeep white/brown (brake light)
Alpine black to Jeep black (ground)
It makes no mention of the ACC or the 12v illm wires

These are both directly from Alpine and both specifically sold to work together so I can't understand why there's a conflict, and don't know which to trust. I have attached a photo of each of the instructions to see if anyone can make sense of it. Thanks!

Edit: this is a 2016 JKU Hard Rock Rubicon if that makes a difference
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Since you have Alpine kits with conflicting information, have you contacted Alpine technical support?

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Unfortunately they're not open on weekends. I might end up having to go that way but since I've got my Jeep torn apart already I was hoping to finish it tomorrow morning.

I bought the wiring harness from Quadratec (who didn't have the camera in stock) and the camera from Crutchfield (who didn't have the harness in stock). Both of those companies have great customer support but I'm afraid they might not be as familiar with such a specific problem as the help I'm hoping to find on this forum.
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I've just done some tracing of the wires on the Jeep and learned a few things:

There is a wire that could either be called white/brown or white/black depending on the lighting. Either way, that one definitely goes to the 3rd brake light so I have that wire nailed down. I do not see a solid red wire anywhere so I guess that might answer that part as well? The white/gray wire is definitely reverse and the white/purple is the tail light.

So anyone willing to study this, would you take that to mean that based on the two different digrams, I have the choice whether I want this Alpine unit to act as a tail light and brake light, or just a brake light?
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All the backup cameras Ive looked at need a 12v acc. which is tapped in to the 12 volt acc. outlet.If something on your setup illuminates then you would to tap in the wire the lights up something,I would guess.I dont if their colors are right though.
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All the backup cameras Ive looked at need a 12v acc. which is tapped in to the 12 volt acc. outlet.If something on your setup illuminates then you would to tap in the wire the lights up something,I would guess.I dont if their colors are right though.
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How is ya? Have you looked at my thread on "One more Backup camera thread"? Your statement about all Backup cameras needing 12V acc. is correct but, it does not have to be regular 12V, if you know what I mean. I just finished installing a really, really cheap back up camera system and, for the 12V to power up the camera, I simply tied into the right backup light wires at the tail light. When the Jeep is put into REVERSE, the power to the back-up bulb also powers up the camera and, there is a ring of LEDs around the camera lens that gets powered up too. Just for information for ya.
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I've just done some tracing of the wires on the Jeep and learned a few things:

There is a wire that could either be called white/brown or white/black depending on the lighting. Either way, that one definitely goes to the 3rd brake light so I have that wire nailed down. I do not see a solid red wire anywhere so I guess that might answer that part as well? The white/gray wire is definitely reverse and the white/purple is the tail light.

So anyone willing to study this, would you take that to mean that based on the two different digrams, I have the choice whether I want this Alpine unit to act as a tail light and brake light, or just a brake light?
That makes sense to me, from what im understanding. The harness that connects to the radio seems to be more generic and only needed for the camera viewing. I installed a basic back up camera system on my jeep a few weeks ago. My camera black wire connects to the jeep reverse black and the camera red connects to the jeep reverse white/gray. Your camera would operate in the same fashion. Since your backup camera offers a third brake light as well, technically you can power it as a brake light, reg tail light, reverse light or no light depending on which wire you choose to tap.
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I don’t want to hijack this, but I know this has been talked about over a dozen times and I’d hate to start yet another thread. I recently bought a cheap backup camera on Amazon (with no instructions) for my 2010 JK. It came with three parts: the camera with a video cable and red RCA female plug coming from it; a 3(ish) foot cable with the male side of the RCA plug and red and black wires; and lastly a long video cable with about 4” of red wire hanging out on each side.
My head unit is a Pioneer X4800BS that has an RCA input for the video cable and a purple wire for reverse signal input.
Starting from the head unit… do I plug the video cable in to the head unit and connect the red wire on the video cable to that purple wire?
Next, the other end of the video cable goes in to the connector on the camera, got that, but what do I connect that end’s red wire to? Does it get tapped in to the reverse light wiring?
Next, the red and black wiring. Does the red also get tapped in to the reverse light wiring along with the red wire from the video cable (both wires spliced in to the reverse light)? What do I do with the black wire?
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With the understanding that I have never hooked up a car backup camera, but have hooked up many home video systems. The yellow as you have surmised is the video feed, so yellow to yellow at the camera end and to the head unit input. You would probably have to find the instructions for the head unit if there is not an obvious video input. In fact on home video systems the yellow is the color of the composite video feed.

The red connector on the camera end is not a female RCA plug but appears to be the female to the male black connector on the red/black extension wire bundle, whcih should be the power to the camera, both positive and ground. The black plug is very familiar to anyone who has a laptop as the end of the AC adapter for most laptops is very similar. The ground is the bare outer part of the "plug" and the positive is the inner core with the black insulator.

From there the red (for the positive feed would connect to the red sticking out of the long bundle and the black would go to a ground on the body of the Jeep. If you have a power wire to the reverse at the rear, I would connect the red from the short extension to it and the black to ground. You would not then need the red wire on the long bundle, just zip tie it off against the wire outer insulation of the wire. If there is no connection at either end, there is no need to clip them off.

It appears to be more of a universal back up camera with the red extension in the long wire in case the installer wanted to pull the hot wire from up under the dash rather than at the back of the vehicle. Until a previous poster mentioned using the wire that is hot only when the vehicle is in reverse, I would not have thought of that and would have looked for a source of +12v that was on when the ignition was on.
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Ok, here's what I've found out for anyone who might get some help from this. I spoke to a guy at Crutchfield who said I should use the second wiring diagram, the one that came with the harness designed specifically for my factory head unit. Since that one shows the cameras power wire (acc) being connected to the reverse wire in the Jeep he said "if I need to" I could find a switched 12v accessory wire so that the camera would be powered all the time instead of just in reverse. I'm making that sound slightly more vague than it was - he was very helpful - but since it wasn't a completely definitive answer I also called Alpine when they opened on Monday.

The first guy I spoke to at Alpine pissed me off to the point where I promised I would never buy another Alpine product again. But since I already bought this camera, I called back and got an actual answer. I'll leave details about the first call at the bottom of this post.

But, the second guy at Alpine finally gave me the explanation I should use the second diagram. This head unit does not have any ability to view the camera except in reverse, therefore there is no reason to power the camera except in reverse. The diagram that came with the camera itself is more of a universal fit type diagram in case a customer has a head unit that can take advantage of the camera feed when not in reverse. For my purposes they rewrote the diagram just to save me from having to cut an extra unnecessary wire in the Jeep's harness. So I did exactly that, following the second diagram exactly and everything works quite well. The viewing angle is just right, the lighting is good and the thing looks really good on my Jeep so I'm happy. The picture itself isn't the best but I'm pretty positive that's the display's fault, not the camera.

***After the first call to Alpine went so terribly, I sent the following message to Alpine on Facebook:

"I called yesterday to speak to your experts for help. The guy I spoke to was a complete jerk from the beginning of the conversation. I asked him to pull up the two different diagrams and he flat out refused because he "pretty much has them memorized". He kept insisting that I needed to follow the diagram because there is nothing wrong with it. I explained over and over that there were two conflicting diagrams and it was only after I asked to speak to a supervisor, which he also refused, that he pulled up the diagram for the camera itself, but still wouldn't look at the other one. He said yes that one is right so follow it, still with no help as to why they are different. I ended up having to call back to talk to someone else who finally explained why they were different and told me to follow the one from the harness, NOT the camera as the first guy told me to do. I have never been so disgusted by a company who claims to have such good service and I will do everything I can to prevent my fellow Jeepers from buying your products as well because of that service."

After sending that message a couple of days ago, I received a phone call today from the supervisor in that department. He left a voicemail apologizing and saying that he has taken care of the issue internally but wanted to be sure that I am satisfied and don't have any more questions or issues. I will call him back tomorrow but so far that's pretty cool of him.

The reason I take that voicemail seriously is because I never gave them my phone number in that message, and it's not on my Facebook page either. That means they definitely dug up the phone calls I was referring to, and put some real effort into dealing with it. That tells me that, regardless of the one bad apple, Alpine as a whole must really have some decent people and good service standards.
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Here's a pic of the camera in place on my Hard Rock Rubicon. I can see how it might look strange on some Jeeps but to me, with these wheels and the red accents that are on the Hard Rocks, it really looks perfect.
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With the understanding that I have never hooked up a car backup camera, but have hooked up many home video systems. The yellow as you have surmised is the video feed, so yellow to yellow at the camera end and to the head unit input. You would probably have to find the instructions for the head unit if there is not an obvious video input. In fact on home video systems the yellow is the color of the composite video feed.

The red connector on the camera end is not a female RCA plug but appears to be the female to the male black connector on the red/black extension wire bundle, whcih should be the power to the camera, both positive and ground. The black plug is very familiar to anyone who has a laptop as the end of the AC adapter for most laptops is very similar. The ground is the bare outer part of the "plug" and the positive is the inner core with the black insulator.

From there the red (for the positive feed would connect to the red sticking out of the long bundle and the black would go to a ground on the body of the Jeep. If you have a power wire to the reverse at the rear, I would connect the red from the short extension to it and the black to ground. You would not then need the red wire on the long bundle, just zip tie it off against the wire outer insulation of the wire. If there is no connection at either end, there is no need to clip them off.

It appears to be more of a universal back up camera with the red extension in the long wire in case the installer wanted to pull the hot wire from up under the dash rather than at the back of the vehicle. Until a previous poster mentioned using the wire that is hot only when the vehicle is in reverse, I would not have thought of that and would have looked for a source of +12v that was on when the ignition was on.
Thank you for the detailed explanation. I plan on doing the wiring this weekend and will let you know if it worked out. It just confuses why I don't use the purple reverse wire on the back of the stereo. Wouldn't that be what makes the stereo switch to the camera view when I go in to reverse? As it stands now, I would have only the yellow video cable hooked up to the stereo.
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Here's a pic of the camera in place on my Hard Rock Rubicon. I can see how it might look strange on some Jeeps but to me, with these wheels and the red accents that are on the Hard Rocks, it really looks perfect.
Sorry to hear that you had to go through so much trouble, but its good to hear that the company may be trying to make amends for it. I like that setup you got and almost went that way for my Jeep. The only thing that stopped me was the fact that I have a bike rack that gets used a lot so I needed to go a different route. I didn't want to mount it behind the spare like others of done. Ended up mounting a cheapo camera under the rack itself here:
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Thank you for the detailed explanation. I plan on doing the wiring this weekend and will let you know if it worked out. It just confuses why I don't use the purple reverse wire on the back of the stereo. Wouldn't that be what makes the stereo switch to the camera view when I go in to reverse? As it stands now, I would have only the yellow video cable hooked up to the stereo.
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How do you attach the non video wires to the harness? It looks like in the instructions it says not to cut alpine harness but they didn't provide a pigtail in either the adaptor or the box
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You need to order this harness to connect it to your stereo. But all of this applies ONLY if you're​ using the original 430 Jeep stereo. https://www.quadratec.com/p/alpine/c...-factory-radio

Crutchfield also carries it, but those are the only two places I've seen it. This particular harness only connects the video cable to the stereo. It has nothing to do with powering the camera or lights.

Once you order that harness it will come with instructions that are more specific to this application. See the second picture in my original post.

So once have the camera wires run up to the passenger kick panel, your camera should've come with a wired looking T--harness. Connect that to the camera's wires and then you'll cut the T--harness. You could just as easily cut the camera's wires directly to splice into your Jeep, but if there's ever anything issue with the camera this allows you to just unplug it rather than recutting the wires. After you've cut the T--harness you'll be left with something that looks like the photo I'll attach. Now you're ready to splice it to the Jeep.

The piece of the T--harness you just cut has five wires: Ignore the solid orange one completely. If you look the the connection to the camera, that wire doesn't even go anywhere. You can cut it out or I just rolled it up and taped it out of the way.

The black wire is obviously just the ground and gets connected to any of the Jeep's black ground wires you see down there. I actually just soldered an eye connector and bolted it right to the Jeep where all the other gorind wires are bolted to it.

The yellow/black wire in the harness that you just cut runs the brake light on the Alpine camera. You need to connect it to the Jeep's brake light wire. One of the sets of instructions says the Jeep's brake light wire is white/black, the other says it's white/brown. It really looks like both. My brother and I argued for a few minutes trying to decide if it looked more black or brown. Your best bet to make sure you're cutting the right wire is to follow the wires inside (under the long black piece of trim that runs the length of the tailgate) the tailgate to see what the wire that runs to the brake light looks like. But that's​ tricky too, because it changes to a different color once it goes through the tailgate. I really hope that makes sense.

The next two wires get tricky. The orange/white wire in the harness you just cut powers the reverse light on the camera to illuminate your field of view. That needs to connect to the Jeep's white/gray reverse light wire. Simple enough.

But the camera itself also needs power and you have to make a choice. You can either connect it, along with the orange/white wire to the Jeep's white/gray reverse wire or you can connect it to an accessory wire. According to the diagram you should have a red one but mine was a different color, I think because I have the 12v plug in​ the cargo area of my Jeep. I don't remember what color it was because I went with the Alpine guys advice to only power the camera with the reverse light.

The reason you have to make the choice, which I didn't know until it was too late, was that if you power the camera through the reverse light, it will only be on when you have the Jeep in reverse. That's really all you need so it makes sense to do it that way. BUT, your radio actually has a feature called "camera delay" which I unfortunately didn't know about. This keeps the camera displayed on your screen for 10 seconds after you shift out of reverse. Since I powered the camera through the reverse wire, if I have the camera delay feature turned on all I see is a black screen for 10 seconds. But you can turn that feature off so there is no 10 second delay and all is well. If you want to take advantage of the delay, however, you will need to power the camera through the accessory wire on your Jeep. Make sure it's a wire that is turned off when the key is off on your Jeep if you go that way so the camera isn't constantly drawing power.

I really hope all this helps. I'm not the best at explaining things but feel free to message me with any questions and I'll try to help out. Once you get past the headache I think you'll really be happy with the camera.
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Ok problem one I didn't get a t harness all I have is the harness that plugs into the camera. One rca and a white connector with red, blue, black and purple
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That's strange. You are talking about the Alpine T-Cam, right? There should be a checklist at the beginning of the instructions that list everything that's supposed to be in the box. If you're missing stuff I'd be returning it or contacting Alpine to send you the rest. Is it possible you missed it under that last layer of foam in the bottom of the box?
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I think you may have just saved me big time. I bet I've spent the last hour trying to figure out what the heck to do with those two wiring diagrams. I think I'm gonna sleep on it and try to finish this install in the AM. Thank you SO much.

Now, just gotta figure out how to make it work with the oversize spare carrier, cause the lugs that came from the factory I don't think are gonna work with this...but will see. The wiring was the big issue. I never get worried until it comes to cutting wires.
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Update! Thanks to this thread I was able to finish this project this morning without a hitch!

FYI for anyone that may be wondering (like I was), this wiring works fine for Manual transmission as far as I can tell.

So, I'm running a 430N that was "flashed"
Alpine Backup Camera/3rd brake/reverse light, wired with adapter
Any questions, please ask. I was able to get a nice panel removal kit off amazon for like 12 bucks
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Hi, installing the Alpine camera today on my 16 JKURHR. Any chance you hhave pictures of where you spliced in the wires for using the factory head unit?
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Hi, installing the Alpine camera today on my 16 JKURHR. Any chance you hhave pictures of where you spliced in the wires for using the factory head unit?
Thanks in advance
I don't believe I have any pics, but I can tell you my splices are made in the wiring harness as it reaches the front of the passenger front door. I think I checked the colors on the wires about 20 times before cutting.

I even traced them all the way back, but be careful, the color changes from the tailgate to the 3rd brake light if I recall.

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