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Old 03-07-2014, 08:39 PM   #1
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2" spacers vs 2" springs

Currently running a 2" RE bb and a 1.25" body lift and was curious if it was worth swapping the spacers and stock springs out for actual 2" lift springs. I know there would be better coil extension and depression but is it wrth it?

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Old 03-08-2014, 06:23 AM   #2
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Depends what you do with the Jeep, if you're mainy on roads... I don't see an advantage

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Old 03-08-2014, 06:36 AM   #3
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I agree with WWCH... We have a 2000 TJ that we bought 4 years ago that had a 2" (actually1.75") Fabtech lift & gas shocks that had just been put on and some new 32 BFB ATs. A little later swapped the front spacers for some 2.25 units from 4Wheel Customs to make the Jeep sit level and then later have added a 1.25 BL and 1" MML so i am set up similar to you. I don't disconnect when I wheel so I haven't had any problems and have recently added 33x10.50s and still like the setup. Two years ago, we bought a 97 Sahara for my son and put a 3.25 spring lift on it with hydraulic shocks, no body lift and 32s. Both Jeeps perform equally well for the type of wheeling we do. The 97 has a little better ride but mine articulates just as well so I have no desire to change it. If I was starting from scratch or going to crawl rocks, i would probably consider the spring lift for mine. We have friends with everything from bone stock to high dollar long arm lifts but we all ride together. Those of us who don't have enought lift stay off of the limerock formations at the river bottom where we ride.
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Old 03-08-2014, 07:13 AM   #4
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It's a wheeler. I'll drive it on roads too but I have a daily driver. My Tj is my offroad toy, I don't trash it or anything but it's still my toy.
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Old 03-08-2014, 07:24 AM   #5
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I would give springs serious consideration then (maybe 2.5 to 3") and keep the body lift. If you don't have a motor mount lift, would add that too. It will minimize the amount of drop required on your t-case (might not require any). There are a lot of posts and opinions on here about lifts so I would do some research and see what will meet your budget and needs. We put an RC on the 97 TJ and like it but many folks on here have posted problems with them. Also, the Zone 4.25 and 3" kits have good reviews but i don't personally know anyone using one so I can't say. The 4.25 kit is a 3" with a 1.25 BL & MML so the 3" might work good for you. The 2" OME has good reviews too but they are expensive. Back in my old CJ days, OME was the boss for good ride and articulation.
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I don't think it would be worth the cost. The stock springs ride and flex pretty well on and off road with 2 inch spacers. If you want to improve the way it rides off road, you'd probably get more impact from quick disconnects and/or better shocks. I'd give you a different answer if you wanted to go higher.
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Old 03-08-2014, 11:00 AM   #7
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Yea anything over 2" I'd need trac bars, control arms blah blah. Just want to stick with 2" susp and 1.26" bl. The combo works well for me just curious of the springs vs spacers
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Are you asking if it's better to have more travel? I think the answer is yes. I have 2.5" springs on from the PO still, but eventually I'll be going with some HD ~2" springs, which may still add a little more than 2" with my winch and hardtop on an LJ. I'd take 2" springs over 2" pucks any day, but that's because I don't see the limit of travel worth the ~$100 savings.
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Old 03-08-2014, 12:00 PM   #9
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I kinda of get a laugh when folks say you won't get good up travel with a spacer lift. Here's a 2 kinch budget boost in action. His up travel is limited by the bump stops that protect his longer shocks. In the real world, this rig works great on the trail and I'm sure it can go any place that a 2 inch spring lift can go. Rides very nice as well.

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Old 03-08-2014, 01:51 PM   #10
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Well I didn't say you can't get good up travel, what I said was there is more travel (before coil bind) to be had from a properly setup all coil 2" then there is from a 2" spacer and stock length springs on the same rig.

I'd love to see a picture that proves that fact wrong. Glad you got a laugh though, humor is important.
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I'd love to see a picture that proves that claim (not a fact) right. Have you got one of your rig flexed out more than that? I think it is bad advice to tell someone with a spacer lift that they will get better flex and up travel by buying 2 inch lift springs. Their money would be way better spent on quick disconnects or better shocks and I don't think you can get any more usable up travel. The spacers on the rig on my photo cost $49.95 for a set of 4 (true 2 inch spacers) and he did well by spending his money on upgraded shocks, bump stops, JKS quicker disconnects and longer brake lines. His rig doesn't bind the coils so I have to wonder when that ever happens.

Now if your argument was that it gives you a better ride than stock, I might be able to buy that.
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7th grade math proves my point just fine, shouldn't need a picture to show you which coils will bind first under compression. I stand by my statement.

Maybe you shouldn't put words into my mouth or read things that aren't there. What I said was (I'll paraphrase but you can scroll back up and read my original statement for yourself) "I didn't find the ~$100 savings worth it for me", I never told anyone what they should or shouldn't do. I'll agree to disagree and move on and you can do whatever you like. Have a nice day.
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Old 03-08-2014, 02:16 PM   #13
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With everything else being equal, 2" taller springs are always going to work/flex/compress/expand better than adding a 2" spacer on top of a spring would. With a 2" spacer, you have 2" of dead space... no compression or expansion possible.

For a street Jeep, a spacer is fine but it certainly would not work as well offroad as a 2" taller spring would. I'm surprised anyone would think it could.
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Old 03-08-2014, 02:24 PM   #14
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This is with 2" bb spacers and bump stops. Setup I have now.

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Sorry, I didn't mean to insult you UFO. Maybe I was being too direct, but I'm talking real-world 2 inch lift here. Jerry makes a great theoretical argument too, but the reality is that with only 2 inches of lift, there is no perceptable difference in the way the Jeep will perform. That said, I would never use a spacer lift to get say, 4 inches of lift, as all of those arguments about dead space and coil bind would be not only valid, but also perceptable.
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Sorry, I didn't mean to insult you UFO.
We're good man. We all have different views and definitions of acceptable or preferences that apply to our rigs and intended uses individually.
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Your coils are 14 years old, and may already have some sag or fatigue. I would opt for new coils.

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