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Old 08-26-2014, 11:12 AM   #1
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4link rear 3link front questions

I have ordered a long arm kit from steinjager suspensions. They are fairley new to the production of jeep suspenion. But have been doing buggy suspensions and all that fir years. The kit is a 4 link rear and 3 link front. All arms are double adjustable. Also im not sure if the kit is a rear triangulated rear. Im not sure but im 75% sure. Is their any disadvantages to that? I know the front is all double adjustable and the upper that is missing is the passenger. Here are some pics of the arms and it also comes with the rear swaybar, rear disconnects, all arms and brackets, front arms, chromoly his on all, front trac bar and front tierod. Heres the pics of the kit.


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I haven't heard of them, the pics look good. Do you have a link to their site?
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I haven't heard of them, the pics look good. Do you have a link to their site?
Yes i do. http://steinjager.com/shop/index.php...ix=&tierSeven=

Here ya go. That jeep in the pic was at the show i was at and i rode in it down the maryland. Roads, it rode really nice and that sold me roght there.
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I would like to see specifics on the lift. Is it a triangulated rear? What do the mounting points look like? I see the track bar is a generic z bend and nothing I would want.
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I would like to see specifics on the lift. Is it a triangulated rear? What do the mounting points look like? I see the track bar is a generic z bend and nothing I would want.
Thats something i am not sure of and wanted to fogure out if the rear is triangulated.
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It isn't triangulated, and I can't find what the c/a joints are (clevite, cartridge, hiem, etc).
For that much money you can get a seriously well engineered c/a kit. Try looking around at
Artec, Iron Rock Offroad, Rock Krawler, Metalcloak, and about a dozen other places.


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It isn't triangulated, and I can't find what the c/a joints are (clevite, cartridge, hiem, etc).
For that much money you can get a seriously well engineered c/a kit. Try looking around at
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Don't forget Clayton offroad. At least the Steinjager kit has beer holders, foot pegs and stickers
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For just the control arms, they want $1800+, that is way too much for what your getting there, unless you have a choice of joints like Duroflex, JJ or whatever your favorite is. To me, is way too high a price, almost twice what I could do a set for.

From the videos, it looks like you're meant to do away with the factory shovel (trans skid plate & mount) or at least you would have to cut pretty deeply in to it to clear the control arm mounts, that to me would be a non-starter. I really like the double adjustable design, although my control arms have been on and I've not had to adjust them in years and years, so I kinda wonder who is changing their c/a length so much they need this. It certainly looks heavy duty, and it's nice they give you a choice between DOM and chromolly. Still, the price is just a killer.

Ok, this is right from their website, turns out it's some fairly stout heims, that also means they will be a standard size you replace from any heim source.

copy/pasted from the long arm page of their site -

The Steinjager Long Arm kit includes the following:

(2) Double Adjustable Front Lower Control Arms with 1.25 x 1.00 inch chrome moly heims with high misalignment inserts and rubber boots. Arms made from 1.75 inch OD x 0.250 inch wall Chrome Moly Tubing.

(1) Double Adjustable Front Upper Control Arm with a 3/4 x 3/4 inch chrome moly heims on one end, and a clevis on the other end, clevis and heim bolts, high misalignment inserts and a rubber boot for the heim included. Arm made from 1.50 inch OD x 0.120 wall Chrome Moly Tubing.

(2) Double Adjustable Rear Lower Control Arms with 1.25 x 1.00 inch chrome moly heims with high misalignment inserts and rubber boots. Arms made from 1.75 inch OD x 0.120 inch wall Chrome Moly Tubing.

(2) Double Adjustable Rear Upper Control Arms with 3/4 x 3/4 inch chrome moly heims with high misalignment inserts and rubber boots. Arms made from 1.50 inch OD x 0.120 inch wall Chrome Moly Tubing.

(2) Transmission Chassis Mounts - one for the left side, and one for the right side.

(1) Transmission Cross Member (removable)

Installation time required: Estimated 20 to 30 hours, including welding of transmission chassis mounts. An alignment will be required after installation.

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For 2600 you can get the full double adjudtable long arm kit and the limb risers, and the tube doors, and the adjustable trac bar,tierod,and pan hard bar, new hood latches. But if you put on there decal after everything is installed and email them photos. They give you 1000 dollars back. So you cn get all of that for 1600.
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For just the control arms, they want $1800+, that is way too much for what your getting there, unless you have a choice of joints like Duroflex, JJ or whatever your favorite is. To me, is way too high a price, almost twice what I could do a set for, Ok, this is right from their website, turns out it's some fairly stout heims, that also means they will be a standard size you replace from any heim source. copy/pasted from the long arm page of their site - The Steinjager Long Arm kit includes the following: (2) Double Adjustable Front Lower Control Arms with 1.25 x 1.00 inch chrome moly heims with high misalignment inserts and rubber boots. Arms made from 1.75 inch OD x 0.250 inch wall Chrome Moly Tubing. (1) Double Adjustable Front Upper Control Arm with a 3/4 x 3/4 inch chrome moly heims on one end, and a clevis on the other end, clevis and heim bolts, high misalignment inserts and a rubber boot for the heim included. Arm made from 1.50 inch OD x 0.120 wall Chrome Moly Tubing. (2) Double Adjustable Rear Lower Control Arms with 1.25 x 1.00 inch chrome moly heims with high misalignment inserts and rubber boots. Arms made from 1.75 inch OD x 0.120 inch wall Chrome Moly Tubing. (2) Double Adjustable Rear Upper Control Arms with 3/4 x 3/4 inch chrome moly heims with high misalignment inserts and rubber boots. Arms made from 1.50 inch OD x 0.120 inch wall Chrome Moly Tubing. (2) Transmission Chassis Mounts - one for the left side, and one for the right side. (1) Transmission Cross Member (removable) Installation time required: Estimated 20 to 30 hours, including welding of transmission chassis mounts. An alignment will be required after installation. Video Link of our Long Travel Kit:
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For 2600 you can get the full double adjudtable long arm kit and the limb risers, and the tube doors, and the adjustable trac bar,tierod,and pan hard bar, new hood latches. But if you put on there decal after everything is installed and email them photos. They give you 1000 dollars back. So you cn get all of that for 1600. joeybro01 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
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Also im not sure if the kit is a rear triangulated rear. Im not sure but im 75% sure. Is their any disadvantages to that?
This statement right here tells me that you probably should return the kit and do some more research about custom suspension setups. There are huge advantages to a custom 4-link, but until you understand the advantages and how the suspension works to give you those advantages, you don't need to be installing the kit onto your rig. Also notice I mentioned custom suspension. Do you really want to install some cookie cutter LA lift onto your rig from a company that no one has really heard of?
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If you want long arms go CLAYTON

They make the best long arm kit.
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I would spend my money on a savvy 4" lift if I where going to buy a lift in kit form for that much money. And really is that even a lift kit or just some arms and a set of brackets?
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yea, no transmission skid puts them securely in the round filing cabinet
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Pretty low ground clearance with those arms and mounting points. They would get hung up all the time on rocks. For long arm kits, I like Clayton
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Clayton is good, and so is Rubicon Express.
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Clayton with a 3 link would a good kit to build off from. A rubicon express would not be a kit I would use, or suggest.
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Pretty low ground clearance with those arms and mounting points. They would get hung up all the time on rocks. For long arm kits, I like Clayton
I like Clayton's arms, but not their mounts or their $1747.05 price.

Clayton's long arm mounts - $179 for just the mounts


When you compare to Artec mounts, at $159 -


Take those and add a truss, some DOM & hiems and you have a serious quality long arm for under $750.
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This statement right here tells me that you probably should return the kit and do some more research about custom suspension setups. There are huge advantages to a custom 4-link, but until you understand the advantages and how the suspension works to give you those advantages, you don't need to be installing the kit onto your rig. Also notice I mentioned custom suspension. Do you really want to install some cookie cutter LA lift onto your rig from a company that no one has really heard of?
Are you telling me i dont know how to. And i am not capable of installing a 4link suspension kit?
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This statement right here tells me that you probably should return the kit and do some more research about custom suspension setups. There are huge advantages to a custom 4-link, but until you understand the advantages and how the suspension works to give you those advantages, you don't need to be installing the kit onto your rig. Also notice I mentioned custom suspension. Do you really want to install some cookie cutter LA lift onto your rig from a company that no one has really heard of?

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Are you telling me i dont know how to. And i am not capable of installing a 4link suspension kit?
No, he is saying that if you don't know how to tell if a kit is a triangulated 4 link or a straight 4 link, and if your unclear on the advantages / disadvantages of a triangulated kit then maybe you need to do some more reading and research. He is saying that perhaps you may want to learn enough to know what you need before you decide what you want.

Forums are a great source of learning and information, people get less helpful if you get defensive or upset with the answers you get.
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No, he is saying that if you don't know how to tell if a kit is a triangulated 4 link or a straight 4 link, and if your unclear on the advantages / disadvantages of a triangulated kit then maybe you need to do some more reading and research. He is saying that perhaps you may want to learn enough to know what you need before you decide what you want. Forums are a great source of learning and information, people get less helpful if you get defensive or upset with the answers you get.
No i know what the different 4 link stups are. I was saying i couldnt tell if the kit was a straight 4 link or a triangulated by the pics i had. I didnt really have an good ones that were clear.
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I like Clayton's arms, but not their mounts or their $1747.05 price.

Clayton's long arm mounts - $179 for just the mounts

When you compare to Artec mounts, at $159 -

Take those and add a truss, some DOM & hiems and you have a serious quality long arm for under $750.

Under 750? Thats quite a understatement. Youd be spending closer to 1.3k for a custom 3 link front and 4 link rear including all brackets, trusses, heims and dom.

You cant really compare the artec mounts with the clayton mounts because one is designed for a kit and the other is designed for a universal application.

Besides the clayton kit is backed by a lifetime warrenty on their arms.

Before I was deciding on which long arm to get, I did a bunch of reseach on different kits and their different geometrys. Clayton came out on top out of every kit I looked at considering, price, geometry, warrenty and quality.
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Jerry B, really doesn't recommend the Long Arm bars; and if you search his threads there is one with a link to a video that explains the reason why.
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Jerry B, really doesn't recommend the Long Arm bars; and if you search his threads there is one with a link to a video that explains the reason why.
"Long arms" aren't the problem. The problem is where they are mounted to the axle and frame. Leave them hanging low like most off the shelf kits do and they get hung up on the rocks. Build a mid arm system like Imped and go custom mounts all around and the clearance will bring a tear to your eye.
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"Long arms" aren't the problem. The problem is where they are mounted to the axle and frame. Leave them hanging low like most off the shelf kits do and they get hung up on the rocks. Build a mid arm system like Imped and go custom mounts all around and the clearance will bring a tear to your eye.
This it the right way to do it! If you want to do it one time. If you must do long arm, I'd go Clayton. We have been building mid arm Jeeps from the beginning before there was even a term for them. It has come full circle as the average wheeler now understands the value of a mid suspension system.

To the OP, that is not a true double triangulated four link. It may work but the stress on the parts is going to be a lot.
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No, he is saying that if you don't know how to tell if a kit is a triangulated 4 link or a straight 4 link, and if your unclear on the advantages / disadvantages of a triangulated kit then maybe you need to do some more reading and research. He is saying that perhaps you may want to learn enough to know what you need before you decide what you want. Forums are a great source of learning and information, people get less helpful if you get defensive or upset with the answers you get.
Yep. That's all I meant. Wasn't trying to insult you. Sometimes people get too excited and get in waaay over their heads because they didn't do enough research. If you understand the advantages and how custom setups work, go for it. But I'd still say if I was you I'd go for a custom setup with DOM tubing, and MC duroflex joints for ends. But that's just my two cents.
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Yep. That's all I meant. Wasn't trying to insult you. Sometimes people get too excited and get in waaay over their heads because they didn't do enough research. If you understand the advantages and how custom setups work, go for it. But I'd still say if I was you I'd go for a custom setup with DOM tubing, and MC duroflex joints for ends. But that's just my two cents.
Yeah sorry about that. I meant i could nit tel from the pictures i had on my phone. None of the
Were clear to see where the uppers were located. I was stating that i could not tell.
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Yeah sorry about that. I meant i could nit tel from the pictures i had on my phone. None of the Were clear to see where the uppers were located. I was stating that i could not tell.
And yeah i am building my own after some research. I will use chromoly tubing and hiems.
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And yeah i am building my own after some research. I will use chromoly tubing and hiems.
have you looked into DOM tubing, johnny joints, and duroflex joints?

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