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Old 07-27-2014, 05:47 PM   #1
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Question 97 tj upgrade speakers

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I'm thinking about upgrading my speakers in the dashboard and speaker bar to kickers the is series. I'm looking to put 5.25's in the front and 6 & 1/2's in the sound bar. My issue is that there are a ton of different ks series speakers and I don't know which ones to choose lol. Anyone have a link to amazon or ebay with both pairs? Also should I use an amplifier for them? I have a very nice pioneer headunit and after replacing the speakers I want to eventually put a smaller subwoofer probably kicker maybe an 8 or 10 inch in as well. Please don't say "kicker is over rated or is to expensive for it's quality etc.

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kicker makes great subs, i have one and love it. i would not use kicker for interior speakers

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Polk audio 6.5" in the sound bar and 5.25" with adapter plates in the dash. Kicker shallow mount sub in the center console of you feel like it.
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You can't search amazon? Lol. Go with kicker.

Edit. Walmart carries them now btw. Just go pick some up there.
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You can't search amazon? Lol. Go with kicker.

Edit. Walmart carries them now btw. Just go pick some up there.
good call lol its just im military so I'm always on the run and rarely have time to sit down and actually search around haha. Ill check walmart, although should i use boom mats for the dashboard?
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If you can fit boom mats in the dash then they would probably help a little bit... But the Wrangler is just so difficult to seal off you're almost wasting time and money.

As far as amp or no amp... Find out what your headunit is going to be putting out for power, and match that with your desired speakers. If your head will give enough power to the speakers then no amp is necessary. If it won't, then you'll want an amp. If you plan to add a sub later do you want a 4-channel amp for speakers and then another mono amp for the sub? Or do you want to pay for a 5-channel amp that includes a spot for the sub? You'll also need to match the power output of the amp to your desired speakers. No sense buying an overpowered amp that will cost more money and will be more likely to blow speakers if you don't set it up right.

As far as kicker goes... I've never used their speakers so I can't say about their quality. But considering you can go to crutchfield and find their last year model speakers for super cheap all the time, why not go with a quality brand that you won't be changing out in a year? Buy once, cry once.
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Interested how its going to sound with or without amp. Trying to make the same decision myself
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Interested how its going to sound with or without amp. Trying to make the same decision myself
Polls db line is known for sounding good with or without an amp. Bang for the buck it's tough to beat them. They are also marine rated plus gave lower lows and higher highs than comparable kickers
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Interested how its going to sound with or without amp. Trying to make the same decision myself
That all depends on what power is going where, and how. If your headunit will handle powering the speakers then no amp is necessary. If it won't, or the power isn't routed properly, then the amp will sound way better.
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I ran my polk audios with out an amp and with an amp. 'd have to say there was a very noticeable difference. Now I have the dxi 6.5 and db 5.25 paired with an alpine mrx-f 35 amp and love it.

My alpine head unit only puts out 18W RMS compared to 55W RMS I'm getting with the amp. So it's no surprise that it makes a big difference.
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Posting here because this thread is active. I got polk dbs in dash and sound bar off an amp. I can only hear the soundbar the fronts are too quiet unless I stick my head up to them. Did I do something wrong or is it just a TJ being a bad sound stage
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Posting here because this thread is active. I got polk dbs in dash and sound bar off an amp. I can only hear the soundbar the fronts are too quiet unless I stick my head up to them. Did I do something wrong or is it just a TJ being a bad sound stage
I had to make adjustment at the head to the speaker levels and fade to get a balanced sound.
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i'm pushing 125w per channel rms through some polk momos and still have to adjust my fade to the front to hear them.

the sound bar speakers are within a foot of your head and the fronts are pointed down to your knees
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If you can fit boom mats in the dash then they would probably help a little bit... But the Wrangler is just so difficult to seal off you're almost wasting time and money.

As far as amp or no amp... Find out what your headunit is going to be putting out for power, and match that with your desired speakers. If your head will give enough power to the speakers then no amp is necessary. If it won't, then you'll want an amp. If you plan to add a sub later do you want a 4-channel amp for speakers and then another mono amp for the sub? Or do you want to pay for a 5-channel amp that includes a spot for the sub? You'll also need to match the power output of the amp to your desired speakers. No sense buying an overpowered amp that will cost more money and will be more likely to blow speakers if you don't set it up right.

As far as kicker goes... I've never used their speakers so I can't say about their quality. But considering you can go to crutchfield and find their last year model speakers for super cheap all the time, why not go with a quality brand that you won't be changing out in a year? Buy once, cry once.
Alright so it looks like I wont waste my time on boom mats, I just dont want my dash and my soundbar to rattle from the plastic. As for the amplifiers, I dont know too much about them because I've never had one in a vehicle and never had a sub. So whic would be better, the 4 or 5? As for my headunit its a Pioneer MVH-X560BT. RMS Power Output is 14 Watts, Peak Output is 50 Watts, RMS Power Bandwith is 20-20kHz, Preamp outputs is 6-channel, it does have sub preamp outputs, and the Preamp voltage is 2 volts. That is directly from the features and specs section on crutchfield. The headunit is the one I bought for my previous car which was an 88 mustang. I would buy kickers from crutchfield although they only show 4.6 for front and I want to put in the 5.25s and only show 5.25 for the rollbar instead of the 6 & 1/2 that I would like to put in there. As for the actual speakers themselves I want to put these in the front: Amazon.com : Kicker 11KS525 5.25" 2-way Car Audio Speakers (Pair) KS525 : Vehicle Speakers : Car Electronics

and these in the sound bar: Amazon.com : Kicker 11KS65 6.5" 2-way Car Audio Speakers (Pair) : Vehicle Speakers : Car Electronics

I also dont plan on replacing my speakers until these blow out which I do not intend on doing. I want a nicer system but dont want to go crazy. Would these work?
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Crutchfield only gives factory recommendations. Just cause the site says the sizes everyone is recommending won't work doesn't mean it's true. I only purchase things like this through crutchfield. They've always provided great service and even gave me store credit on an amp I had for over four months I had issues with.
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check out sonicelectronix.com for great prices. just look up 5.25" speakers for the dash and 6.5" speakers for the pods.
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Alright so it looks like I wont waste my time on boom mats, I just dont want my dash and my soundbar to rattle from the plastic. As for the amplifiers, I dont know too much about them because I've never had one in a vehicle and never had a sub. So whic would be better, the 4 or 5? As for my headunit its a Pioneer MVH-X560BT. RMS Power Output is 14 Watts, Peak Output is 50 Watts, RMS Power Bandwith is 20-20kHz, Preamp outputs is 6-channel, it does have sub preamp outputs, and the Preamp voltage is 2 volts. That is directly from the features and specs section on crutchfield. The headunit is the one I bought for my previous car which was an 88 mustang. I would buy kickers from crutchfield although they only show 4.6 for front and I want to put in the 5.25s and only show 5.25 for the rollbar instead of the 6 & 1/2 that I would like to put in there. As for the actual speakers themselves I want to put these in the front: Amazon.com : Kicker 11KS525 5.25" 2-way Car Audio Speakers (Pair) KS525 : Vehicle Speakers : Car Electronics

and these in the sound bar: Amazon.com : Kicker 11KS65 6.5" 2-way Car Audio Speakers (Pair) : Vehicle Speakers : Car Electronics

I also dont plan on replacing my speakers until these blow out which I do not intend on doing. I want a nicer system but dont want to go crazy. Would these work?
With your RMS Power rating on your headunit you'll be starving those kicker speakers. As for 5-channel or 4-channel amps, it probably is mostly user preference. If I hadn't inherited a 4-channel amp from my PO in my rig I would have done a 5-channel. Fewer wires, and obviously 1 fewer amps... I did a very quick search on Crutchfield and found a 4 channel amp that could possibly work for you for $400, and a mono to power a sub for $200... The 5-channel I found was $700. So if you're on a budget then you could probably squeeze $100 in savings from doing two separate. Also don't be super afraid of trying to figure out how to fit two amps in a small rig. Here's a link to a guy who placed his mono amp behind the steering wheel in a TJ: Install an Amp Under the Dash for fifty cents -Lots of pics - JeepForum.com

As far as your speaker choices, they look like they'll definitely play musics. Certainly nothing wrong with wanting to go with Kicker speakers. Now that you've chosen those, add up the RMS power ratings and match those to the appropriate amp(s) and you'll be set.
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Also, Speaker adapters for the dash: TJ 5.25 Speaker Adapters

This guy was super solid, and has cheap prices. I like to support home-grown American business.
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Also, Speaker adapters for the dash: TJ 5.25 Speaker Adapters

This guy was super solid, and has cheap prices. I like to support home-grown American business.
So what type of amp should i get for those kickers then? So i dont starve my system lol
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With your RMS Power rating on your headunit you'll be starving those kicker speakers. As for 5-channel or 4-channel amps, it probably is mostly user preference. If I hadn't inherited a 4-channel amp from my PO in my rig I would have done a 5-channel. Fewer wires, and obviously 1 fewer amps... I did a very quick search on Crutchfield and found a 4 channel amp that could possibly work for you for $400, and a mono to power a sub for $200... The 5-channel I found was $700. So if you're on a budget then you could probably squeeze $100 in savings from doing two separate. Also don't be super afraid of trying to figure out how to fit two amps in a small rig. Here's a link to a guy who placed his mono amp behind the steering wheel in a TJ: Install an Amp Under the Dash for fifty cents -Lots of pics - JeepForum.com

As far as your speaker choices, they look like they'll definitely play musics. Certainly nothing wrong with wanting to go with Kicker speakers. Now that you've chosen those, add up the RMS power ratings and match those to the appropriate amp(s) and you'll be set.
Well if the one peak power is 270 and the other is 390 for the pair im going to need a 700 watt amp? am i right? I am no good with car electronics.
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this is a common problem with 5 channel amps, you are usually sacrificing power for size.

dont worry so much about peak output, focus on rms
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Here is some other guys mounting under the wheel. One is me. All my stuff is listed in my profile with some links. Boom mats have bad reviews. So I won't try them. Did put poly pillow stuffing in my sound bar. Did it when changing speakers so I can't comment what did what. Sounds great though. Skinny Pedal alternative for amp = Thrifty Pedal
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dont worry so much about peak output, focus on rms
Ironhead knows. Do a little reading on Crutchfield. They have some good articles for beginners. That's where I got my start.
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Here is some other guys mounting under the wheel. One is me. All my stuff is listed in my profile with some links. Boom mats have bad reviews. So I won't try them. Did put poly pillow stuffing in my sound bar. Did it when changing speakers so I can't comment what did what. Sounds great though. Skinny Pedal alternative for amp = Thrifty Pedal
So just for my speakers do I buy a mono amp? I am not getting a sub for a few months or so.
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this is a common problem with 5 channel amps, you are usually sacrificing power for size.

dont worry so much about peak output, focus on rms
I'll try but like I said I don't know much at all about systems so I'm not sure what type of amp I should be buying.
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So just for my speakers do I buy a mono amp? I am not getting a sub for a few months or so.
you need to have 1 channel per speaker, so if you have 2 dash speakers and 2 pod speakers, you will need a 4 channel amp

so if your speakers are 60w per channel, you should be looking at a 4 channel amp that pushes between 50-75w per channel. i know it sounds backwards, but many high end audio guys recommend a higher output amp than your speakers so they can run the full spectrum range at lower volume levels and you will never need to turn them up so loud that they would be in danger of blowing. it also helps to keep under powered distortion impossible, which is know to blow speakers. think about when you crank a factory system up and it starts to crackle, that is due to the amp not pushing enough power and the sound waves becoming distorted.

4 channel amps for speakers, mono amp for subs.
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So just for my speakers do I buy a mono amp? I am not getting a sub for a few months or so.
Mono amps would be just for the sub. You'll want a 2 channel amp to run 2 speakers, or a 4 channel to run 4 speakers. And don't worry about the peak output numbers, the RMS is the number to pay attention to. Also, I hear that even those can be fudged a little. I would keep track of the signal to noise ratio (S/N). If I remember right, that is measured in Decibels... So if your speakers are rated up to 85 dbs, and your amp is only rated to 80 dbs... Then you'll have distortion beyond 80 dbs no matter what you do.

Lots of stuff to match up. Lots of research you'll have to do.
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also, pay attention to THD or total harmonic distortion. the lower the better
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also, pay attention to THD or total harmonic distortion. the lower the better
Oh okay so if the fronts will be an rms of 90 watts and the rears are 130 watts each i would need a 4 channel amp thats between 100-150watts with low THD?
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Oh okay so if the fronts will be an rms of 90 watts and the rears are 130 watts each i would need a 4 channel amp thats between 100-150watts with low THD?
Yep, but what speakers are you looking at that hit those numbers?

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