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Old 04-14-2014, 07:02 PM   #1
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Angry A lot of play in steering

So I just finished my Currie HD steering install and I was hoping the sloppy steering would go away but has not. Here is my current setup:

Currie HD draglink and tie rod
Stock track bar
OME steering stabilizer
PSC Steering box
Stock ball joints(replacing with alloy's soon but do they cause this?)
Stock steering shafts(the have no play in them while turning the wheel.

I don't have anyone to help me turn the wheel so I can watch the components move. Actually I have my wife but she normally doesn't like to help

Also, I'm on 35's, wheels bearings/U-joints feel fine but I don't know if they have ever been replaced. I am literally guiding the Jeep as I drive and I getting tiered of it.

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I'll take pics in the morning for reference. Maybe someone can spy something.

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You have to have the wife turn the wheel left and right while you look for play.
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Ok, I'll see if I can get her to do that.
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In addition to the dry steer test, make sure your toe in is good.
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Old 04-15-2014, 08:05 AM   #6
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What is the dry steer test?
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I'll take pics in the morning for reference. Maybe someone can spy something.
Did you get an alignment? How much lift are you running? Do you have adjustable control arms? If so, what brand? What is caster set at? Do you have a dropped pitman arm installed?

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What is the dry steer test?
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You have to have the wife turn the wheel left and right while you look for play.
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Did you get an alignment? How much lift are you running? Do you have adjustable control arms? If so, what brand? What is caster set at? Do you have a dropped pitman arm installed?
^^^This^^^ and how much air is in your tires?

Dry Steering Test

Do a dry steering test by having someone sit in your Jeep (with the tires on the ground) and continuously turn the steering wheel back and forth from about the 11 to 1 position while you lay under the front end and watch and feel for any lateral play in any steering or suspension joints. Check both track bar ends, the tie rod and drag link ends.
Although rotational movement in the tie rod and drag link is normal and necessary, there should be no end movement at all in the joints. There also should be no movement in the track bar ends.
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Old 04-15-2014, 04:30 PM   #9
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I did not get an alignment, the shop who put my tires on said they wouldn't do it because of the size. I have the RE 3.5" short arm with JKS 1.25" BL. All lowers are fixed, rear uppers are currie adj. front uppers are stock. Stock pitman arm. How do I adjust caster?
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I did not get an alignment, the shop who put my tires on said they wouldn't do it because of the size. I have the RE 3.5" short arm with JKS 1.25" BL. All lowers are fixed, rear uppers are currie adj. front uppers are stock. Stock pitman arm. How do I adjust caster?
do the driveway alignment with a tape measure to get you close. install adjustable lower control arms to adjust caster in front. set them at 16.25" to start with. that will make it somewhat drive-able.

lastly, find a better place to do the full alignment, get it done, and post the specs from the print out here.
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UnlimitedLJ04, I will get the alignment done somewhere else but I'll have to wait till the weekend for the dry steer test since my wife is too busy and gets home late. Above are some pictures so you can see my steering. Adjustable lowers are in the near future.
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Must be a wide angle lens on your camera but looks like the tires are toed out.
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Old 04-15-2014, 05:33 PM   #15
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It's likely play in the track bar or bad alignment (caster and/or toe). Sloppy gear box is another possibility.
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ahhh the ol' horrible clearance ARB cover.
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If your roads are anything like they are here, the grooved and worn asphalt will play havoc with your Jeep. The wheelbase is short and the width is not the width of the grooves, mostly created by heavy truck traffic. I ride the white line (edge) most times.

Do you think the problem is before the steering box or after? With hood up and window down you can take a look at the steering shaft as you move the wheel back and forth.
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Old 04-15-2014, 05:56 PM   #18
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The ARB clearance is fine and always has been. My steering box is a PSC and I doubt thats the problem although Im not the one who installed it. I looked at my tires and they are perfectly in line with the backs. I'm sure I need a slight adjustment though. The roads here are absolute garbage and they are almost never repaired. When they are, its minimal. The track bar bushings look ok but thats going to be upgraded sometime soon. Idk, I feel like the play is in the steering wheel itself. I may need to take it apart and check.
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I don't recall but is there a rag joint in the steering sector on a TJ. If so, that could be the culprit. I would check all the joints in the steering sector for play.
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Ok, I'll check that out. Thanks everyone so far!
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I don't recall but is there a rag joint in the steering sector on a TJ. If so, that could be the culprit. I would check all the joints in the steering sector for play.
A rag joint would have no change in direction (AIUI), otherwise there would be a universal joint.

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Csahara. I just checked out 00 because it had just a slight bit of play in the steering and was getting ready to make an adjustment to the steering gear. Decided I better look under the hood first and found that where the U joint on the rear steering shaft connects to the front shaft just to the rear of the center bearing (under the master cylinder) had play at the connection. I tried to tighten the joint but could not turn the bolt, so I removed it and tried to separate the joint but couldn't move it more than about 3/16". Decided to save it for another day and put the bolt back in and tightened the joint using a 1/2" drive ratchet rather than a 3/8" drive, and now the play is gone. I haven't seen it on a TJ but have seen on YJs where the u-joint actually wears out.
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**UPDATE**

DoubleOught, I checked and checked again for movement in my steering shaft, and nothing.
So still with the steering not cooperating, I finally ditched the stock track bar for the JKS adjustable one to go with my JKS rear. A mangled lower bolt and 5 toiling hours later, it's done. There is a HUGE improvement in my steering. I can flick the wheel at 20mph and it just does it. No shimmy, no Death Wobble, no vibration. I am pleased.
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Good work!
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**UPDATE**

DoubleOught, I checked and checked again for movement in my steering shaft, and nothing.
So still with the steering not cooperating, I finally ditched the stock track bar for the JKS adjustable one to go with my JKS rear. A mangled lower bolt and 5 toiling hours later, it's done. There is a HUGE improvement in my steering. I can flick the wheel at 20mph and it just does it. No shimmy, no Death Wobble, no vibration. I am pleased.
Awesome!

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