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Old 08-26-2013, 11:22 AM   #1
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I am doing some research on a good SYE / CV driveshaft for the money. I'm saving the money up for the Zone 3" lift and I want to do it the right way with a SYE. My budget for the SYE and driveshaft is a FIRM $500. I just can't go more than that. I know there's got to be some decent stuff out there though. Any recommendations?

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JB Conversions SYE

Any good drive shaft that uses Spicer components.

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Are you able to do the work yourself or do you have someone who is a mechanic who can help you do the work?

Installation is where a lot of people choose not to do SYE/CV upgrade. Most people cant do it themselves and don't want to pay the extra money to have shop do it so they decide against it.

Like Imped said JB conversions makes a great SYE.
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I am doing some research on a good SYE / CV driveshaft for the money. I'm saving the money up for the Zone 3" lift and I want to do it the right way with a SYE. My budget for the SYE and driveshaft is a FIRM $500. I just can't go more than that. I know there's got to be some decent stuff out there though. Any recommendations?
Carolina Driveline does an AA SYE/DS combo for $399. Uses quality u joints(Precision or Spicer), full splines....lifetime warranty. Best deal out there.
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I think you're gonna be hard pressed to stick to 500 bucks...

I got my rugged ridge kit for like 165 on discount and got my adams driveshaft for 245 (regular price). Then had it installed for 175. As mentioned, the install and sye kit were on the cheaper end of things since i got them done on discount and that was still 585.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:22 PM   #6
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I think I'll be able to do the install. I'll look into the Carolina Driveline.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:24 PM   #7
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Slight hijack but where does this install fall on the difficulty spectrum? I've learned a lot about caring for my Jeep but there's still a lot of things I have yet to learn but I was considering doing the SYE/CV on my own...
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Keep in mind that when you do your SYE/CV you'll need to install Adjustable rear arms also.
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A fixed yoke/double cardan setup is absolutely useless if you can't rotate the pinion up to achieve proper pinion angle.

Purchasing a high-quality tail housing, good drive shaft, and quality control arms will cost you more than $500.
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Keep in mind that when you do your SYE/CV you'll need to install Adjustable rear arms also.

Oh yeah, and this as well...my adjustable rear arms were about 200 bucks for the uppers and those were on discount as well. THey're rock krawler adjustables.

So add another 200 to my 585 and that gives you about 800 bucks with discounts.
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Old 08-26-2013, 01:35 PM   #11
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A fixed yoke/double cardan setup is absolutely useless if you can't rotate the pinion up to achieve proper pinion angle.

Purchasing a high-quality tail housing, good drive shaft, and quality control arms will cost you more than $500.
Yep realistically $600 with upper rear control arms assuming minimal pivot needed.
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I'm getting the Teraflex Super Short, drive shaft and installation for $800 from a reputable local shop. I wanted the JB kit but it required more work for the speedometer to work. Already had Rubicon Express upper control arms installed so about a $1000 for everything including labor.
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You'll also need an angled track bar relocation bracket instead of the straight when you order your lift.
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Old 08-26-2013, 02:45 PM   #14
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You'll also need an angled track bar relocation bracket instead of the straight when you order your lift.
Depends on how high the lift is........i didnt need it......though i do have an lj
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You'll also need an angled track bar relocation bracket instead of the straight when you order your lift.
Most lifts (at least the Zone 4") come with the rear relocation bracket rather than the adjustable track bar. Saves you a few bucks
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Old 08-26-2013, 04:58 PM   #16
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Do you really need an sye for a 3" lift?
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Do you really need an sye for a 3" lift?
Only if you have vibes resulting from the change in pinion angle relative to the transfer case output shaft. If you have no vibes resulting from the lift, then you're generally good to go.
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Do you really need an sye for a 3" lift?
I'm below 3" and couldn't drive without a fixed yoke setup.

Spring height isn't the only determinant at play.
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Only if you have vibes resulting from the change in pinion angle relative to the transfer case output shaft. If you have no vibes resulting from the lift, then you're generally good to go.
So for a 3" I would just to a t case drop and a mml to improve driveline angles.. But that's just me
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So for a 3" I would just to a t case drop and a mml to improve driveline angles.. But that's just me
I unfortunately got vibes when I installed my 2" lift; however, I successfully removed the vibes with the installation of a MML and by dropping my transfer case by a few washers - which is what you're proposing...

When I damaged my factory transfer case skid to the point of replacement, I actually had to replace the washers and drop the skid further with 1" square tubing to align my drive line angles back within spec as I replaced my skid with an aftermarket unit that allows for additional clearance.

At that point, I started to save up for an SYE...

I now have an SYE installed.

Note: these mods can be done in stages .
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I want to set myself up for the future. My reasoning for this setup:
3" lift because I have brand new 31 ats that came with my jeep. I want a 3" because I can put a 1.25 in BL on and regear to run 33's. I want the SYE on to prepare for a TT in the future.

To run the 3" lift setup correctly (correct me if I'm wrong), I need:

3" lift kit-$300
Adjustable track bar-$130
Adjustable rear upper CA's-$200
SYE-$150
CV driveshaft-$350-$400

Or should I just install the lift as it comes and wait to buy a quality SYE setup?
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I want to set myself up for the future. My reasoning for this setup:
3" lift because I have brand new 31 ats that came with my jeep. I want a 3" because I can put a 1.25 in BL on and regear to run 33's. I want the SYE on to prepare for a TT in the future.

To run the 3" lift setup correctly (correct me if I'm wrong), I need:

3" lift kit-$300
Adjustable track bar-$130
Adjustable rear upper CA's-$200
SYE-$150
CV driveshaft-$350-$400

Or should I just install the lift as it comes and wait to buy a quality SYE setup?
Caroline Driveline sells a SYE AND CV DS for $350 COMBINED.........
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A drive shaft that costs over $250 is overpriced. That should buy a nice drive shaft with Spicer parts.
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I want to set myself up for the future. My reasoning for this setup:
3" lift because I have brand new 31 ats that came with my jeep. I want a 3" because I can put a 1.25 in BL on and regear to run 33's. I want the SYE on to prepare for a TT in the future.

To run the 3" lift setup correctly (correct me if I'm wrong), I need:

3" lift kit-$300
Adjustable track bar-$130
Adjustable rear upper CA's-$200
SYE-$150
CV driveshaft-$350-$400

Or should I just install the lift as it comes and wait to buy a quality SYE setup?
The zone 3" lift comes with a t case drop and no need for adjustable trac bar or adj upper ca's nor a driveshaft.. Just the 450 3" lift kit. I'd Save my money ona. Cv If I don't need one.. Wait till you lift it enough to absolutely need one
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The zone 3" lift comes with a t case drop and no need for adjustable trac bar or adj upper ca's nor a driveshaft.. Just the 450 3" lift kit. I'd Save my money ona. Cv If I don't need one.. Wait till you lift it enough to absolutely need one
You're missing the point. And not all that is true. I say anything over 2" quality adjustable track bars should be used to recenter the axle. And an sye/cv is needed for effective lift seen at the t-case output shaft. So if you've got the Ultra High Clearance skid from UCF, your t-case has seen almost 4" of lift. Which will put the stock driveshaft in a bind. Add even a 2" lift to that and you've moved the t-case up roughly 6".
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The zone 3" lift comes with a t case drop and no need for adjustable trac bar or adj upper ca's nor a driveshaft.. Just the 450 3" lift kit. I'd Save my money ona. Cv If I don't need one.. Wait till you lift it enough to absolutely need one
TC drop = half @ssed. The OP is doing it the right way. It might cost more up front, but in the long run he is saving time, money and HEADACHES.
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Most lifts (at least the Zone 4") come with the rear relocation bracket rather than the adjustable track bar. Saves you a few bucks
You cannot (or shouldn't) use their standard relocation bracket in conjunction with an sye/cv shaft, amd a 4" lift. The pinion angle needs to be adjusted upwards which puts the track bar in a bind. They make an angled bracket for that purpose.
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TC drop = half @ssed. The OP is doing it the right way. It might cost more up front, but in the long run he is saving time, money and HEADACHES.
Just saying you could do a mml or other things instead of spending bookoo on a driveshaft.. Especially for his application.
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Depends on how high the lift is........i didnt need it......though i do have an lj
You are right. A 3" is probably borderline. I've got a 4" on a TJ and definitely needed it coupled to an adjustable track bar.
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