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Old 10-21-2013, 10:54 AM   #1
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Adjustable Front Track Bar w/ 2" lift help

After adding a 2" suspension lift and coming up on 31's I found that I didn't feel I was tracking properly. The tire shop swears all are mounted well, proper alignment and good toe.

After stumped and taking it into a reputable local shop for clutch work he said that my front axle was off-center and that it was caused by the lift. I cross checked that against here and other forums and it jives.

I thought this was be simple: buy new bar, remove old, bounce jeep a few times, let settle, adjust length to where it wants to sit, cross check by measuring, torque and wheel!

But when I then read more on some folks are insisting that there are clearance problems, impact to sway bar, pitman, tie rod, etc.

Would someone please confirm or dispel those claims?


PS - I'm 99% sure this is why I also struggle with my passenger side disconnect cuz it doesn't clear smoothly.

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From what I've read, some bars do rub/hit. I went with a metalcloak adjustable track bar. Install was smooth (drilling required on my '01) and I've had no clearance issues.

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The axle will be off-center with a 2" lift. Somebody will say how good the clearance of the Metalcloak track bar, and yes, it's got great clearance and will clear with minimal bumpstop extension....but because you have a 2" lift, it won't center your axle. It's too long, so with that bar your axle will be off-center to the opposite side...more than it is now. You'd just be replacing one problem with another.

Your best bet to avoid the clearance issues associated with other aftermarket track bars is to keep the stock track bar, reinforce the axle side mount by welding on a piece of plate, then drill a new hole to re-center the axle. Write up here. The stock track bar is the best option up to 2" of lift.

Also, you will not be able to tell the front axle is off by a minimal amount when you're driving down the road. FWIW, the rear axle is off by the same amount too unless you've done something to correct that.

As to your "feeling" when driving - have you checked, or addressed the caster change with the lift? The alignment shop should have given you a spec sheet on the alignment - post those numbers (caster, camber, toe, thrust angle).
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I have a Teraflex 2" lift that also comes with a rear track bar relocation bracket.

Called Teraflex and their front adjustable is made to work with the 2" lift just fine (not too long).

Alignment shop gave me the output report and all showed good.
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Called Teraflex and their front adjustable is made to work with the 2" lift just fine (not too long).
I found the Teraflex front track bar to need ~4" of bumpstop extension. That means you'd need 4" of lift to have the stock travel!

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Alignment shop gave me the output report and all showed good.
great, post up the numbers.
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I found the Teraflex front track bar to need ~4" of bumpstop extension. That means you'd need 4" of lift to have the stock travel!
hahaha, thats amazing
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Old 10-21-2013, 03:45 PM   #7
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There are adjustable aftermarket track bars available for stock to 2" lifts that will not cause interference problems at those lift heights: Rusty's Track Bar - Adjustable Front Stock (TJ, XJ, ZJ) - TJ/LJ Wrangler, Rubicon & Unlimited ('97-'06) - Jeep Trac-Bar Items - Jeep Suspension

And for the rear you can use a bolt on bracket similar to this:
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There are adjustable aftermarket track bars available for stock to 2" lifts that will not cause interference problems at those lift heights: Rusty's Track Bar - Adjustable Front Stock (TJ, XJ, ZJ) - TJ/LJ Wrangler, Rubicon & Unlimited ('97-'06) - Jeep Trac-Bar Items - Jeep Suspension
very bad choice, IMHO.....known for smashing into the diff cover until the TRE catastrophically fails and you lose all steering.

read here: http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/some...ml#post1279962

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you couldnt pay me to run anything from rustys. low quality parts, poor design, and horrible customer service
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I found the Teraflex front track bar to need ~4" of bumpstop extension. That means you'd need 4" of lift to have the stock travel!

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great, post up the numbers.
How are you associating bumpstops and track bar? I already have them installed as part of the suspension lift package.

Numbers are at home, I'm at work. Why do you want them posted?
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There are adjustable aftermarket track bars available for stock to 2" lifts that will not cause interference problems at those lift heights: Rusty's Track Bar - Adjustable Front Stock (TJ, XJ, ZJ) - TJ/LJ Wrangler, Rubicon & Unlimited ('97-'06) - Jeep Trac-Bar Items - Jeep Suspension

And for the rear you can use a bolt on bracket similar to this:
Rusty's Track Bar - Rear Bracket (TJ)
Why would someone recommend garbage from that vendor is beyond me............ $50 bucks for a TB relocation bracket too? Check out the OME unit. Its 20 bucks shipped from Quadratec for the rear unit.

Unlimited: Still gonna disagree on the MC being too long for a 2" lift. UNLESS MC's QC tolerances from bar to bar is that far off......... Mine centers just fine.
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Unlimited: Still gonna disagree on the MC being too long for a 2" lift. UNLESS MC's QC tolerances from bar to bar is that far off......... Mine centers just fine.
Thanks for the suggestion. What size lift do you have?
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Oh excuse me I forgot this is the forum your only allowed to mention certain manufactures and all others are trashed.
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Thanks for the suggestion. What size lift do you have?
Basically a 2" lift.
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Oh excuse me I forgot this is the forum your only allowed to mention certain manufactures and all others are trashed.
I think using or recommending Rusty's is just a bad idea for one reason or another. Its not just this forum either, try recommending this mfg. on JF or Pirate, or Rubi etc etc etc........going to get the same response.
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Basically a 2" lift.
Thanks! Good to know!!

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Oh excuse me I forgot this is the forum your only allowed to mention certain manufactures and all others are trashed.
I appreciated your suggestion. Also did appreciate folks warning of manufacturers who have a history of quality concerns.
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Unlimited: Still gonna disagree on the MC being too long for a 2" lift. UNLESS MC's QC tolerances from bar to bar is that far off......... Mine centers just fine.
yes, I'm still going to disagree because the MC track bar's I've seen personally WILL NOT center the axle at 2" of lift...unless of course you SAW OFF a length of it, or drill a new hole over to the passenger side, which is probably how you centered your axle. Or you're just lying about some aspect of it.

Similarly, I'm going to disagree with you on other stuff too, because you mislead people with bad tech.

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How are you associating bumpstops and track bar? I already have them installed as part of the suspension lift package.

Numbers are at home, I'm at work. Why do you want them posted?
because the alignment helps us determine wtf is really going on with your suspension.

bumpstops are associated with the track bar because aftermarket track bars often have clearance issues. if the track bar is hitting something, then that ain't good.

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Oh excuse me I forgot this is the forum your only allowed to mention certain manufactures and all others are trashed.
if it doesn't work then it doesn't work. It's not about bashing vendors, it's about making your junk work. the stock track bar is perfectly sufficient for 2" of lift...if setup properly.
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because the alignment helps us determine wtf is really going on with your suspension.

bumpstops are associated with the track bar because aftermarket track bars often have clearance issues. if the track bar is hitting something, then that ain't good.
Okay, will dig it up later. Irrespective, 2 shops said the alignment was good and the first one said they couldn't figure out why it dog legs and the 2nd one says it's since the track bar is too short and he said the axle measures off center.

We all know I changed the geometry with a 2" lift. And that i have bumpstop extensions from the Teraflex lift. And that I struggle to off the passenger disco since it's pinched as the axle is off center.

So for the sake of keeping it logical, let's all just assume that my front axle is off center, caused by lift and causes dog legging.... What's the solution?
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So for the sake of keeping it logical, let's all just assume that my front axle is off center, caused by lift and causes dog legging.... What's the solution?
See post #3 earlier, before the thread went off track and started confusing you more.

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Your best bet to avoid the clearance issues associated with other aftermarket track bars is to keep the stock track bar, reinforce the axle side mount by welding on a piece of plate, then drill a new hole to re-center the axle. Write up here. The stock track bar is the best option up to 2" of lift.
No need to buy some fancy track bar, or cycle your suspension to determine major clearance issues, and you don't have to drill holes in stuff that prevents you from going back to stock.
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yes, I'm still going to disagree because the MC track bar's I've seen personally WILL NOT center the axle at 2" of lift...unless of course you SAW OFF a length of it, or drill a new hole over to the passenger side, which is probably how you centered your axle. Or you're just lying about some aspect of it.

Similarly, I'm going to disagree with you on other stuff too, because you mislead people with bad tech.
Yeah, here ya go. MC treackbar(obviously not sawed off, at roughly a bit over 2" of lift in front:

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Opps.....almost forgot the last pic.....wouldn't want you thinking I drilled another hole on the axle side.........

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Thank you very much, NJO. So no issues with pitman and drag and tie rod?
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Nope, perfect clearance all around, I have no additional bump stopping over stock either. I run the MC trackbar, a new stock drag link and the ZJ tie rod upgrade.

Now be aware, I actually don't doubt that some MC TB users had a slight offset to one side, in fact MC directly will state the offset is roughly just under a half inch to the passengers side with 2" of lift. But mine all the way threaded in with the locknut is basically perfectly centered. If it is off any its less than an 1/8th of an inch and its something I can't visually detect. I do know MC's "tolerances" can be at times off, so there is no doubt in my mind that some people have slightly varying results, but I find its an easy fix regardless. The heim joint threads can be cut down a bit and a low profile locknut(or none)can be used to shorten the trackbar up to a half inch shorter for those who are on low lifts and are picky about a perfectly centered axle. Something I would have done actually if mine did need it.
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I have a 2.5" lift. I was able to center up my axle very well using a metalcloak adjustable, and have 2 or 3 threads left to play with. Had it out on the trails this weekend, no issues, no rubbing.
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Thanks all!
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I have a JKS and it works great, although I have about 3.75 of lift. Axle is centered perfectly and it does not rub. My friend has the Currie HD and his works great too. Another friend ordered the Metal cloak about a month ago and still has not recieved it yet...I think they are backed up, just a bit. So if you go MC give them a call and check shipping times.
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Thanks again. I called up MC and they said they should work with most 2" lifts but that since all suspension manufacturers have different tolerances and age/wear/tear sometimes it does just shift the problem to the other side.

JKS confirmed that they are designed for true 1-3.5" lifts so will order theirs:
JKS Adjustable Trackbar | Variable length trackbar allows you to control lateral axle position with ease and precision
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jks has been known to have more clearance issues than others. not as much as some, but not as good as others. currie used to sell their track bar and decided to make their own for this reason

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