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Old 10-30-2012, 02:21 PM   #1
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Angled trackbar bracket

Hi everyone. 01 jeep 4 inch of lift, sye, rear cam bolts and a loud pop when trying to move from rest. Read somewhere that is i have a cv driveshaft i need a angled trackbar bracket. I ordered one from jks. Installed today and to me the tracbar looks even more on an angle. We had a really really hard time putting it together. Also replaced the bushings. Is there a possibility that i can break the frame bracket, because it took alot of force to put in. Also the loud pop is still there. All bushings in the rear are okay and everything looks fine. Could it be axle shafts? Brakes?

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hi everyone. 01 jeep 4 inch of lift, sye, rear cam bolts and a loud pop when trying to move from rest. Read somewhere that is i have a cv driveshaft i need a angled trackbar bracket. I ordered one from jks. Installed today and to me the tracbar looks even more on an angle. We had a really really hard time putting it together. Also replaced the bushings. Is there a possibility that i can break the frame bracket, because it took alot of force to put in. Also the loud pop is still there. All bushings in the rear are okay and everything looks fine. Could it be axle shafts? Brakes?


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you need an adjustable rear track bar with a Johnny Joint on the axle end. Then the frame end always remains neutral, and the adjust-ability allows you to set the JJ at a neutral position on the axle end. The JJ then handles all the misalignment that occurs as the axle brackets rotates throughout the suspension cycle.

i'd recommend the Currie rear track bar, since it supposedly has a new bend to clear the gas tank mount. it requires their specific rear axle bracket.
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you need an adjustable rear track bar with a Johnny Joint on the axle end. Then the frame end always remains neutral, and the adjust-ability allows you to set the JJ at a neutral position on the axle end. The JJ then handles all the misalignment that occurs as the axle brackets rotates throughout the suspension cycle.

i'd recommend the Currie rear track bar, since it supposedly has a new bend to clear the gas tank mount. it requires their specific rear axle bracket.
But does that mean i cant use this setup right now? I dont have an open budget, soo i will have to stay with the current one for some time. Do you think i will get away with it? Or i might break something? I read in many many places that all i needed was the angled bracket thts why i didnt even think about purchasing the rear trackbar.
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But does that mean i cant use this setup right now? I dont have an open budget, soo i will have to stay with the current one for some time. Do you think i will get away with it? Or i might break something? I read in many many places that all i needed was the angled bracket thts why i didnt even think about purchasing the rear trackbar.
yes to all of the above.
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yes to all of the above.
Soo i will break stuff and iam not to drive it that way? Iam confused now sorry.
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I have the same JKS bracket with a SYE and it fit perfectly. Are you sure your pinion angle is right and do you have adjustable upper control arms?
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Soo i will break stuff and iam not to drive it that way? Iam confused now sorry.
yes, it will cause problems. the bushings don't like to be stressed like that continuously...and they will wear out quickly

yes, you can use it like that. it just won't last long.

yes, the bracket increases the stress on the stock mount and can cause it to rip off the axle.
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I have the same JKS bracket with a SYE and it fit perfectly. Are you sure your pinion angle is right and do you have adjustable upper control arms?
No just cam bolts.
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yes, it will cause problems. the bushings don't like to be stressed like that continuously...and they will wear out quickly

yes, you can use it like that. it just won't last long.

yes, the bracket increases the stress on the stock mount and can cause it to rip off the axle.
Thank you, soo i did something that actually made it worst. Hehe
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yes, it will cause problems. the bushings don't like to be stressed like that continuously...and they will wear out quickly

yes, you can use it like that. it just won't last long.

yes, the bracket increases the stress on the stock mount and can cause it to rip off the axle.
http://www.4wheelparts.com/Lift-Kits..._pn=CURCE-9123

Will this work? Is this the bracket you sre talking about? Then i read from google on one of your posts that you said i would need 2 inch bumpstops? I just bought rubicon express 1.5 inch entended bumpstops, will that work?
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Will this work? Is this the bracket you sre talking about?
get it from here. don't just "Add to Cart", call Gerald and make sure you're getting the right thing.
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Then i read from google on one of your posts that you said i would need 2 inch bumpstops?
did you read the post carefully? was that post referring to the front, or the rear?

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I just bought rubicon express 1.5 inch entended bumpstops, will that work?
I have no idea...too many factors to guess. You need to remove the rear springs, install the parts (and shocks), then push the axle to full bump and find out, on your Jeep.
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get it from here. don't just "Add to Cart", call Gerald and make sure you're getting the right thing.
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did you read the post carefully? was that post referring to the front, or the rear?

I think you were refering to the rear.

I have no idea...too many factors to guess. You need to remove the rear springs, install the parts (and shocks), then push the axle to full bump and find out, on your Jeep.
Soo if i do this test and the axle doesnt hit anywhere will i have trouble with the currie down the road?
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Soo if i do this test and the axle doesnt hit anywhere will i have trouble with the currie down the road?
no. just make sure you weld the bracket on with reinforcement to the axle tube. if you rely entirely on the stock bracket by just bolting a bigger lever to it, the whole assembly can and will rip off.

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no. just make sure you weld the bracket on with reinforcement to the axle tube. if you rely entirely on the stock bracket by just bolting a bigger lever to it, the whole assembly can and will rip off.

read this for more info.....
Since i dont have the tracbar yet, when i do the test when what should i look for? I mean since i cant see if the tracbar binds with the bracket.
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Since i dont have the tracbar yet, when i do the test when what should i look for? I mean since i cant see if the tracbar binds with the bracket.
the track bar has a johnny joint on it, so the track bar won't bind in the bracket. that's the whole point of the johnny joint.
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the track bar has a johnny joint on it, so the track bar won't bind in the bracket. that's the whole point of the johnny joint.
Soo the only thing i should look for is how much bumpstop length i need soo nothig hits?
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Soo the only thing i should look for is how much bumpstop length i need soo nothig hits?
shock length, bracket vs gas tank, pinion angle, bracket vs body, tire vs steel fender, brake line routing and length, bracket vs fuel line, etc....
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shock length, bracket vs gas tank, pinion angle, bracket vs body, tire vs steel fender, brake line routing and length, bracket vs fuel line, etc....
Ohhhh, i will have to check tomorrow everything then. Thank you for your help, big help.
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I took angled bracket and put the old one. Tried out lifting each side of axle without springs and the stock bumpstop stops the axle without the tires, shocks dont botyom out and no binding in any bracket. Unforunetly with tire it hits the fender very early so i had to put alot of bumpstop. I have now only 3 inches between bumpstops but stleast i wont break my fenders.
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I took angled bracket and put the old one. Tried out lifting each side of axle without springs and the stock bumpstop stops the axle without the tires, shocks dont botyom out and no binding in any bracket. Unforunetly with tire it hits the fender very early so i had to put alot of bumpstop. I have now only 3 inches between bumpstops but stleast i wont break my fenders.
the poly jounce bumper needs to be removed, thrown away and replaced with the stock jounce bumper. the jounce bumper will fully compress into the cup, and it's supposed to do that. so when you're testing full bump, you need to test WITHOUT the jounce bumper.

the other thing to remember is when you adjust the pinion angle and axle position, you need to rotate the axle about the center - not about the lower control arm mounts. if you just adjust the uppers out, or adjust the lowers out at all, the diff will push into the gas tank and the tires will hit the rear fenderwell. you need to shorten the lowers and lengthen the uppers, to rotate the axle about the hub center.

also, in the rear, you should extend the bumpstops from the top and make sure the cup lines up with the pad, like my link above shows.
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Woow alot of info to absorb. Okay for now i just have cam bolts in the uppers soo i have no choice but to only adjust the piniom with the upper.

The stock bumpstops are very dry and are falling apart amd couldnt find stock replacements. Also since i only have cam bolts you are right my tire hits the rear of the fender. Thats why i need aoo much bumpstop soo i dont destroy the fenders.

I tried to do a summary to everything and this is what i get. I need to get adj uppers and lowers thats a must, then i need curries rear trackbar and bracket(which i have to weld on). Then i take off the trackbar and spring and bumpstop, lift the axle to max and check for bracket hitong the fuel lines, shock if they dont compress fully before the bumpstop hits. Also if the bumpstop alignes with the bottom of the axle. Doo i have everything?
Where can i find a new stock bumpstop?
What if all that and the tire still hits the fender? I dont put in the extended poly bumpstop?
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Woow alot of info to absorb. Okay for now i just have cam bolts in the uppers soo i have no choice but to only adjust the piniom with the upper.
you need adjustable upper and lower control arms. Currie or Savvy Offroad are good choices there.

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The stock bumpstops are very dry and are falling apart amd couldnt find stock replacements.
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Also since i only have cam bolts you are right my tire hits the rear of the fender. Thats why i need aoo much bumpstop soo i dont destroy the fenders.
trim the fenders AND fix the bad geometry.

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I tried to do a summary to everything and this is what i get. I need to get adj uppers and lowers thats a must, then i need curries rear trackbar and bracket(which i have to weld on). Then i take off the trackbar and spring and bumpstop, lift the axle to max and check for bracket hitong the fuel lines, shock if they dont compress fully before the bumpstop hits. Also if the bumpstop alignes with the bottom of the axle. Doo i have everything?
Where can i find a new stock bumpstop?
What if all that and the tire still hits the fender? I dont put in the extended poly bumpstop?
wow, that was extremely confusing to read.
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you need adjustable upper and lower control arms. Currie or Savvy Offroad are good choices there.

Crown Automotive makes factory replacements. PN 52087636AC

trim the fenders AND fix the bad geometry.

wow, that was extremely confusing to read.
I have bushwacker fenders i dont think i will start trimming into those. Hehe

To make it more readable i do it in a list.
Things i must do:
-get adj uppers and lowers
-get curries tracbar with the bracket
-weld the bracket on
-while installing all of the above, i will take out the springs and tracbar and bumpstop
- i will lift the axle to its max to see if shocks bottom out or if the brackets hit the fuel lines

Now my question is what if after i correct the geetry with adj control arms and the stock bumpstop is not enough and my tire hit tje fenders. Why cant i use the exteded poly bumpstop i got?

Sorry for the confusing post

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