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Old 12-29-2008, 01:24 AM   #31
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i know, like i said i would have loved to do it my self but i have no place to do so.. we just got done w/ the flooding. Saturday night we went driving w/ my girlfriend and few other people.. street after street blocked off with about 3-4 feet of water and up to 7-8 on some places..

meaning nice drenching and snow melting since thursday..

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Old 12-29-2008, 01:23 PM   #32
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you should have driven down to southern indiana where its 20 one day, 75 the next then 30 the following day. perfect weather for working on jeeps!

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Old 12-29-2008, 04:31 PM   #33
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you should have driven down to southern indiana where its 20 one day, 75 the next then 30 the following day. perfect weather for working on jeeps!
with no water pump i would have gotten pretty far

just got my jeep.

new water pump (not rebuilt) 139.95
new belt.............................92.95
antifreeze and full flush.........33.00
"shop supplies" ...................3.00
diagnosis........................... 33.98
labor..................................144.42
antifreeze disposal................2.00
449.30+22.18 tax...471.48
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Old 12-29-2008, 05:02 PM   #34
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The factory specified thermostat is 195 degrees, which the computer requires to remain happy in all conditions. Not to mention running a cooler thermostat, if you are in a cold enough area where the engine would actually run cooler, can cause the engine to fail a state's smog test. The cooler the engine, the less likely it is to pass a smog test. The engine was designed to normally most efficiently at 210 degrees.

Those blinded by their intense need for speed/power read the hype from companies like TurboCity and start believing a cooler engine is a more powerful engine... not usually and not necessarily. My personal experience running a 180 degree thermostat in place of the usual 195 degree thermost caused my engine to fail its California smog test on a cold day because the engine couldn't reach its normal operating temp. The smog test guy installed the correct model 195 degree thermostat for me while I was there and it passed afterwards. And I didn't lose any power in the process.

Personally, I don't believe half the hype on TurboCity's website.
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with no water pump i would have gotten pretty far

just got my jeep.

new water pump (not rebuilt) 139.95
new belt.............................92.95
antifreeze and full flush.........33.00
"shop supplies" ...................3.00
diagnosis........................... 33.98
labor..................................144.42
antifreeze disposal................2.00
449.30+22.18 tax...471.48
Being bent over the table by a mechanic shop....PRICELESS!
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Old 12-30-2008, 02:14 AM   #36
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The factory specified thermostat is 195 degrees, which the computer requires to remain happy in all conditions. Not to mention running a cooler thermostat, if you are in a cold enough area where the engine would actually run cooler, can cause the engine to fail a state's smog test. The cooler the engine, the less likely it is to pass a smog test. The engine was designed to normally most efficiently at 210 degrees.

Those blinded by their intense need for speed/power read the hype from companies like TurboCity and start believing a cooler engine is a more powerful engine... not usually and not necessarily. My personal experience running a 180 degree thermostat in place of the usual 195 degree thermost caused my engine to fail its California smog test on a cold day because the engine couldn't reach its normal operating temp. The smog test guy installed the correct model 195 degree thermostat for me while I was there and it passed afterwards. And I didn't lose any power in the process.

Personally, I don't believe half the hype on TurboCity's website.
we dont have emission testing in indiana....and the whole cooling upgrade-high flow housing, high flow pump, 180 thermostat, 3 row metal radiator- made for a noticable difference.
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Even though I realize it sounds counter-intuitive, 3 row radiators are not as efficient as 1 or 2 row radators are where a Jeep's typical uses are concerned. In fact, for better cooling, Jeep switched the TJ from a 2 row to a 1 row radiator sometime around 2001 or maybe 2002. The big desert rock crawlers pretty much all use all aluminum 1 row radiators for their better cooling ability.
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Old 12-30-2008, 12:05 PM   #38
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92 bucks for a serp belt.. ouch.. ty 35 bucks at kragens
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Old 12-30-2008, 05:19 PM   #39
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i know it was a ripoff but i was out of options.
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its cool man i was just messing... i have been fixing things all my life.. and if i could afford to pay someone I would..

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