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Old 04-02-2014, 06:51 PM   #1
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Banks Exhaust

Hey all, ready to pull the trigger on the Banks Exhaust system this week. Going with the Torque Tube Headers but can't decide on the Stinger or Monster Cat back system.
Using my existing Cat as it is good still.
My other concern is, should I go with New 02 sensors or use the ones I have. If I change them for new ones, should I use OEM Sensors or aftermarket. ? Also, are there any parts I should pick up to replace old stuff during the install ? Your help and experience would be great !
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It's an 04 TJ 4.0L auto by the way.

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I have the monster cat back and bought it in october. It sounds great and no drone. I am getting used to it and ill replace it with something louder but i couldnt be happier with it

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I am also runing the Banks Monster Exhaust Great Sound & no droaning @ Highway Speeds Very Happy with it.
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Old 04-02-2014, 07:50 PM   #4
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Personally I'd never buy a cat-back exhaust system from an on line source that had to be delivered.

First, you don't know if you'll be happy with the sound. And if you're not 100% happy with its sound or anything else like getting it installed and sealed properly, there's no returning it once installed.

Second, you're paying through the nose for an exhaust that can be easily installed & duplicated locally by an independent muffler shop (NOT a chain shop like Midas that will cost double or triple) for less $$$. And if you don't like the sound, they can swap in a different muffler very easily. And they can install a fancy stainless tip if that would make you happy. Not to mention you're keeping it local and if there's ever a problem, it's (again) local.

It's been 9-10 years since I installed a new muffler into my TJ but the total cost was only $85 which included a really good sounding Thrush muffler. The first Thrush they installed was too loud so they removed it and installed a slightly larger Thrush that was quieter and sounded just right... at no extra cost. Try that will a mail order system... especially an overpriced mail order system.
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I agree with Jerry. I wasn't able to find anyone around with the Banks cat back here and I bought it based on the reviews etc and am not too happy. I had a heck of a time trying to get it to seal on the exhaust pipe flange. It sounds just like a ricer, as I've pulled up next to a few and they have the same tone (lots around here to compare it too ) It does drone a bit no matter what anyone says. It's not too bad, but not what I wanted or expected. If I had driven a TJ with it before I'd probably have gone Magnaflow or something else...
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I'm not looking for sound. I'm looking for a good exhaust system. That's why I asked. I do think the Banks header is a good idea but I'm open to suggestions as to the cat back.
I want a good match to the system.
I just want what works best. Wouldn't mind a nice throaty sound but solid performance is what I'm looking for.
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You can get any quality system you want from a local independent muffler shop for less $$$ and no waiting either. Online systems are generally always overpriced when compared to the quality you can easily get locally.
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:15 PM   #8
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I like the fact of having a simple job done locally as well.
I understand that it's not Rocket Science from the Cat Back.
Just tell me what you run and why you like it.
I have to get this done soon.
All for saving $ on it as well.
Only had the Jeep for a year and I'm still learning.
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I have the banks monster cat back. Very happy with it. On line sources are not bad if you research properly and they can be cheaper and have more selection than local. Again, just takes some research.
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So Jerry, what would you suggest ? Banks or not ? Dorman ? What would you do ? I've taken your advise on a few things and it has been great. Not putting all my eggs in one basket though.
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The monster sounds good but isn't too loud. Made from stainless so holds up better than factory and fit well/was easy to install.
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I had a Thrush muffler together with a new custom bent exhaust pipe installed, that's definitely not an expensive muffler brand, but it did fine & sounded fine until that TJ was stolen four years ago. I would just go find a small non-chain shop that looks as though it's been there a while & talk with them to see what they can do. You'll know within a few minutes if you like what they can do for you or not. They can explain the differences in costs and benefits between aluminum, stainless steel, etc.

If they are a member of BBB (Better Business Bureau), that's all the better to indicate they take good care of their customers.
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X3 I have a borla Cat back I bought when I was stationed in Fairbanks Alaska with free shipping. If I was near where I grew up in St. Louis I would have went to my local muffler shop. 2 guys with great prices and customer service. Would have saved a lot and supported good people. I hate chain shops btw. car x tried to rip my wife off for 600 dollars in brake work for a state inspection. I already looked at the brakes as it was a new used car. I called BS. I took it to those muffler guys and they passed it plus noticed the exhaust got bent out of the hanger. And they heated it with a torch and bent it back for free. If anyone is in north county St Louis area the shop is Matts muffler on Halls Ferry road. Great guys. they put my glass pack on when my Jeep had 300 miles lol. Cost me $30. Parts and labor. It was 14 years ago. I'm sure inflation has upped prices. I grew out if it a couple years ago and bought the Borla. I'm happy with it, but like I said if I wasn't in the middle of no where I would have done different.

Edit. Just seen Jerry's post above. That Car x was a member of BBB I filed a complaint. online reviews are good to look for too. None isn't necessarily bad. If you piss someone off though they will probably offer you a review in return now days.
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So, bottom line. Just go to a shop and have them replace my cracked exhaust manifold and put whatever sounds good on as a cat back?
Do you think the Banks header is overkill ?
Seriously, I want something that works and will last awhile.
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Don't get me wrong. I've done some research and some things make more sense than others. Type of material used, etc. I based my buy on that and reviews from those that use the product. I also realize that this forum is also a lot of " I run this, so it's Great". Don't get me wrong, that's not a bash.
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I think it's overkill. Borla has a huge warranty million mile and is priced similar. Still that's overkill to me. I'd go with your shops recommendation. Also the jeeps exhaust is stainless. At least mine in 2000. Not the manifold obviously. I would just have them throw in a nice muffler. Not replace every thing cat on back. Unless your pipes are bad.
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Banks has the same warranty. My system is worn out and I thought it wise to just replace it. I like Borla as well. Had one one my last truck.
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I guess I will keep doing my research and talk to a few more places.
All the Jeep people agreed that Banks is one of the best for the 4.0l engine so I assumed it was a good call.
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Still open to opinions and suggestions. Want to do it right.
I'm sure you guys understand. Do it once and do it right.
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Banks has the same warranty. My system is worn out and I thought it wise to just replace it. I like Borla as well. Had one one my last truck.
Only bad thing is we don't really gain power from them so it's kind of a money dump. I plan on having my jeep for life so I may do it just for the warranty. I would base that decision off how long you plan on having it. Not sound or power gains. With that said my factory one has 14 years on it. I plan to have my jeep another 40 years if I can make it to 74. So I'll probably get one. I won't expect sound or power from it though.
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I have the Banks Monster on my 2003 TJ 4.0L. It sounds great. Easy to install too. You can't go wrong with it.
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Banks exhaust system sounds good and are made out of 409SS but the muffler size is on the small side (4x9x14in) so it can be loud for some...

If you go with a Magnaflow then you can customize the exhaust sound by fitting different sized muffler anywhere from a 4in round body to a 5x11x22in oval muffler and those are all made out of 409SS also
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See , that's what I mean. I just said I'm not in it for sound. I know there is no significant power to be gained and I'm not going for any "Cool" factor.
I just want a solid exhaust system.
I plan on always having my Jeep !
Always wanted one and now I have one. I plan on getting this jeep done right. Nothing extreme but completely capable.
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Again, don't get me wrong. I just want it right.
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Thanks socaltrailrider. Those are good points.
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Again, don't get me wrong. I just want it right.
I've had my jeep 14 years. Like said above got the borla cat back because I was in Alaska and getting to old for my glass pack. if my manifold fails I plan to go borla for warranty. My stock stainless tj exhaust pipes I painted with BBQ paint were in awesome shape at 12 years old when I put the cat back in. If I was looking for what you are which I am. I would get a stainless header and a nice banks or borla stainless muffler welded on to the stock pipes.
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Only problem I have had with the Banks Exhaust was the trackbar hit it. Whacked it at the muffler and had a custom tailpipe made from there. It's really not loud at all, I hardly notice it.

I'm not aware of what exhaust systems cost but it seemed a little pricey to me. Oh well.
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Only problem I have had with the Banks Exhaust was the trackbar hit it. Whacked it at the muffler and had a custom tailpipe made from there. It's really not loud at all, I hardly notice it.

I'm not aware of what exhaust systems cost but it seemed a little pricey to me. Oh well.
I have noticed that the banks on your 05 sounds good, but my other friend with a similar 05 Rubi with a Banks bolt on catback sounded super ricey totally weird same year, same engine! I believe Banks bolt ons are somewhat affordable at $200ish vs Magnaflows bolt ons $350 & up depending on which of the 3 configurations you get.

Both have similar stainless steel bodies and similar internal guts, size is what would differ though between brands
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I drove an LJ rubi with the full banks setup on it when I was shopping LJ's. I'm sure it's quality stuff, but I hear that even the Banks headers crack. In fact there was a guy that posted up recently about needing a replacement header because his banks was cracked. Same with the borla I believe. I don't know if anyone has built a 4.0 proof header that actually does anything special, but I'm open to new info for sure. When I get all my other stuff completely sorted out I'll be making a trip down to the exhaust shop to get a magnaflow put in with custom bends to keep everything up and clear after my flat tuck.

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