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Old 06-24-2014, 08:39 PM   #1
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Best 6" speakers for overhead bar w/lots of bass

The OP installed a nice Sony reciever. The 6" overhead Fozgate rockford speakers sound tinny with bass setting full on. I need some thing that has alot of bass built into the speaker (long years ago Pioneer did). Any suggestions?

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Old 06-24-2014, 09:03 PM   #2
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We put Polk Audio DB651 in my son's 97. Sound great but you'll have to put some more power to them. If you want pretty solid bass, probably going to have to sub it one way or another.

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Old 06-24-2014, 09:19 PM   #3
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the polks mentioned above are decent, they go down to 35hz.

it sounds like you have been blasting the speakers with the bass all of the way up. none of these speakers are designed for that. they are made to be accompanied by a sub.

the db polk series may be about the best you can get for deeper base without going to a sub, but if you need to crank your head unit to get the levels you want, no speaker will last long as its underpowered and being killed by distortion
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No speaker up in the sound bar will be able to give you even decent bass. They just aren't meant for it.

Get a dedicated small subwoofer and it will help equal out your system.
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I have Pearl Jam in my sound Bar. Yes, I just pay them to hang out and jam while I drive. The whole band. No shit ! Freaks people out at stop lights !
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I have Pearl Jam in my sound Bar. Yes, I just pay them to hang out and jam while I drive. The whole band. No shit ! Freaks people out at stop lights !
How much would Van Halen installed in my sound bar cost?
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I'd agree with most others that a sub is necessary if that's the amount of bass your looking for. I was fortunate enough to have an old bazooka in my basement that I wired up. It picks up the lows but still leaves something to be desired.. I used to have a Nissan Versa (see why I got a wrangler?) and it had great three-way speakers stock as well as our Patriot. Actually the Patriot has the most bass I've ever had in a car. But with more power comes more responsibility. You'd need good quality speakers, and an amp to drive them. Do some research on how to build a quality setup and maybe assess your budget and think about what level you want to go to.
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You will have to have a dedicated subwoofer with the right enclosure along with an amp to get the bass freq you are seeking. Soundbar speakers will get you the high to mid range but it's not built for low bass. It's not for subs, enclosure size wize or direction output wise.
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Thanks for all the replies. Old guy here-no blasting on stereo-just wanted decent sound with bass present. I googled the Rockford Fosgate speakers I have P 52s they are supposed to be decent speakers ( $100.00/pair). I found the problem when I took them out. The OP had them wired (+/-) backwards.(found OEM wiring diagram/wire colors on Jeep forum) They sound much better now with good enough bass.
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Glad you found it. Thanks for posting what you found. Good info.
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That's odd, usually reversing +/- won't cause much of a difference. It will put the speakers out of phase, but the average ear can't notice it
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Guess I am not average, or these speakers are different. I can unplug and swap terminals while holding them and tell the difference. I read about cancellation of phase-or something like that. I guess if it made no difference-why even bother putting +/- on the terminals. May not sound any different at 120 db, don't know.
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I filled my sound bar with poly-fill, which is just polyester filling from a pillow virtually. Just stuff it tight throughout the bar without interfering with the speaker itself and I want to say it slightly improved the crispness and response from the speakers. Could all be in my head but who knows?
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That's odd, usually reversing +/- won't cause much of a difference. It will put the speakers out of phase, but the average ear can't notice it
Wrong. If you have a HU that can do it at the push of a switch. Try it you will hear an immediate difference.
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Wrong. If you have a HU that can do it at the push of a switch. Try it you will hear an immediate difference.
You have a hu that can change phase?
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Ya pioneer 1800 I think. Walmart lol
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I stuck a small powered sub woofer under my back seat and it made a huge difference. A sound ordinance from crutch field. Like $150. Very happy with it and easy to install. Very versatile. Doesn't blow out the neighbors windows or anything but decent bass.
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Subwoofer phasing is quite a bit different.
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That's odd, usually reversing +/- won't cause much of a difference. It will put the speakers out of phase, but the average ear can't notice it
You're right. But maybe the OP just had the polarity reversed on one speaker, I know that will cancel any bass he might have had. But yeah, I'd be amazed if someone could tell by listening that those speakers were out of phase.
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It's not difficult at all to be able to hear the difference when a speaker is out of phase, it's easily determined once you have used the right technique once or twice. I've been doing it since I was a kid when stereo first came out.

All you need to do is be playing a monaural source like an AM radio station and put your head between the two speakers. If the sound seems to be centered between the two speakers, they are in phase. Reversing the wiring to one speaker will place them out of phase with each other and the sound will then sound "odd" and empty between the two speakers. Reversing the polarity of the wiring going to one speaker a few times will make you a believer how easy it is to tell by listening since the difference is readily apparent.

You can do the same thing on getting the front and rear speakers in phase with each other by turning the balance control all the way to one side so just the left or right side f/r speakers are playing. Again, make sure you're listening to a monaural (non-stereo) radio station since it is much harder to tell with a stereo source. I can do it with a stereo source myself but it's much harder so I still always play a monaural AM radio station when doing a speaker phase check.
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I agree with you 100% Jerry, I was just saying that if the polarity is reversed on both speakers it's not noticeable, but when they're out of phase with each other is when you lose bass and get that weird "wide" sound. I think that's the same thing Ironhead Jed was saying too, because to me it sounded like the OP said he reversed the polarity on both speakers and it sounded better. If they were out of phase with each other and he switched both, they still would be, right?
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I agree with you 100% Jerry, I was just saying that if the polarity is reversed on both speakers it's not noticeable, but when they're out of phase with each other is when you lose bass and get that weird "wide" sound. I think that's the same thing Ironhead Jed was saying too, because to me it sounded like the OP said he reversed the polarity on both speakers and it sounded better. If they were out of phase with each other and he switched both, they still would be, right?
If the polarity of the wiring is reversed going to one of two speakers, the speakers will be out of phase with each other. But if the polarity of the wiring is reversed to both speakers at the same time, their phase relationship will remain the same... they will either remain in phase or they will remain out of phase.

Let's say the speakers are out of phase with each other. Reversing the wiring to either speaker will put them back in phase. Reversing the wiring to both speakers that were out of phase with each other to begin with will keep them out of phase with each other. When a pair of speakers are out of phase with each other, only one speaker's wiring should be reversed to put them back in phase.

Some beginning audiophiles will reverse the wiring going to one speaker getting the speakers out of phase with each other and notice that odd-sounding "hole" in the sound between the sides and think it's cool sounding and leave it that way, not understanding the speakers are simply out of phase with each other. The resulting loss of bass is also something they don't often connect to the speakers being out of phase with each other.

And for those confused by what being in phase means, it just means that the speaker cones are all going in and out at the same time as each other. If they are out of phase, one speaker cone would be going in while the other would be going out. Which is why bass is diminished when the speakers are out of phase... the speakers aren't working together, they are counteracting each other.
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I filled my sound bar with poly-fill, which is just polyester filling from a pillow virtually. Just stuff it tight throughout the bar without interfering with the speaker itself and I want to say it slightly improved the crispness and response from the speakers. Could all be in my head but who knows?

No, you are correct that poly-fill will make a difference in the sound.

Also don't overlook if the speaker has a gasket or how well it is mated to the enclosure. Easy to overlook an air leak that will make a difference in sound quality. May not seem like much, but we don't have much to work with anyway and are listening in (usually) an open air environment.
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I stuck a small powered sub woofer under my back seat and it made a huge difference. A sound ordinance from crutch field. Like $150. Very happy with it and easy to install. Very versatile. Doesn't blow out the neighbors windows or anything but decent bass.
What brand did you get? I'm glad I read this post, that was a set up I'm about to go for in my '99
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Sorry Phoenix, I reread your post haha. But it seems as if Crutch might have raised their prices
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FYI. When I said "PO wired them wrong" I should have said only one was wired wrong on the rear overhead sound bar-and one wrong at the front. kind of a figure of speech.
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Sorry Phoenix, I reread your post haha. But it seems as if Crutch might have raised their prices
May just be my memory....
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I also went with the Polk audio db651 for overhead speakers sound great. Also threw in some jbl 6x9 in the vdp rear sound wedges. For bass went with 2 10" jlw3v3 subs. Sounds great.
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Hey Jerry, I have a question regarding phase. Can front and rear be "out of phase" with each other? Say if you had the polarity on the front speakers the same as each other, and the rears the same as each other but opposite the front. Do you think that would make a difference in the sound?
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Hey Jerry, I have a question regarding phase. Can front and rear be "out of phase" with each other? Say if you had the polarity on the front speakers the same as each other, and the rears the same as each other but opposite the front. Do you think that would make a difference in the sound?
Yes for sure the fronts and rears can be out of phase with each other, which is why I mentioned how to check f/r phasing above. You check the front/rear the same was as you check the left/right phasing. Turn the balance all the way left & check the front/rear phasing, then turn the balance all the way right to check the front/rear phasing.

Get the front speakers in phase first & don't touch their wiring after they're in phase. Then do the rears one side at a time, getting them in phase with the front.

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