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Old 03-02-2008, 01:15 PM   #1
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How do you do a brake conversion from drums to disk brakes.

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Old 03-02-2008, 02:26 PM   #2
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Old 03-02-2008, 11:37 PM   #4
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I say spend your money wisely (and elsewhere) re: your brakes.
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is there a cheap way to install disk brakes on a rear D44...?
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Old 03-03-2008, 04:54 AM   #6
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is there a cheap way to install disk brakes on a rear D44...?
If the bolt pattern on the backing plate is the same I would say it would apply to the same if not find something with disk brakes that matches other wise $$$$
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Old 03-03-2008, 06:16 AM   #7
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I say spend your money wisely (and elsewhere) re: your brakes.
Hi Steelman,

I'm presuming you mean the brakes on TJ's are okay? I have to disagree on this occasion - if you need to stop in a hurry, the stopping distances are pretty poor. Okay I'm comparing to my Porsche or Audi, but still..

I would be interested in a conversion kit, or the option from the Grand Cherokee if I knew it would improve the stopping power. What I would be better is a project where someone installs a setup with ABS - that would be very useful becuase once the current brakes do get hold of the metal the next thing you get is a big skid with our chunky non optimal tires for the road!

IMO becuase of all the lifting that goes on with these cars, and lack or tarmac grip, ABS (like the new model has) and some sort of stability management, like Porsche's PASM would make these cars a LOT safer on our commuter runs.
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Does ABS not allow you to stop if you were climbing a steep grade and need to stop? Would you just keep rolling back with ABS moaning and groaning?
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Old 03-03-2008, 12:11 PM   #9
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I wrote and did the second writeup. If your serious about coverting your brakes do the fronts first. 75% of your stopping power is in the front anyways so you might as well get the full benifit plus. This is on my list because I've played with them and they are BEEFY.
http://www.vancopbs.com/product_p/dkj1000.htm

Sure you could still do the rears like I did a while back for a lot less, but in the end your still not going to be satisfied unless your like me and just wanted the conveince of rear disks.
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Hi Steelman,

I'm presuming you mean the brakes on TJ's are okay? I have to disagree on this occasion - if you need to stop in a hurry, the stopping distances are pretty poor. Okay I'm comparing to my Porsche or Audi, but still..
Nope, I'm referring to the Vanco Big Brake kit that Kizer mentions in the post above this one. I have this kit, and the difference is absolutely amazing! You are correct in that the stock brake are lame.
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I've had several instances when somebody who thinks I can stop on a "dime" cuts in front of me. I'm not wanting to be able to out race a Honda, but man it would be nice if I could at least stop on a "half dollar".
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What calipers are used with the Vanco kits?Or better yet what pads?When replaceing pads what would you order them for?Looks to be newer model GM calipers but can't tell!
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What calipers are used with the Vanco kits?Or better yet what pads?When replaceing pads what would you order them for?Looks to be newer model GM calipers but can't tell!
I bel;ieve the calipers are a Ford product. I'll see if I can get more info, though I know it's out there.
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Nope, I'm referring to the Vanco Big Brake kit that Kizer mentions in the post above this one. I have this kit, and the difference is absolutely amazing! You are correct in that the stock brake are lame.
Ah sorry - I took a look at the Vanco stuff and this is going to be the next non-cosmetic upgrade I do.

I still reckon ABS would be good - why are there no kits with big pistons/disks and ABS?
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I bel;ieve the calipers are a Ford product. I'll see if I can get more info, though I know it's out there.
I could of sworn they where WJ pistons or is that WJ knuckles?
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I could of sworn they where WJ pistons or is that WJ knuckles?
Is 750 dollars good value for this if it's matching other OEM parts?
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Is 750 dollars good value for this if it's matching other OEM parts?
That is what I was thinkin.Go to the junk yard and pull the steering knuckles from the WJ and match the rest from a salvage heep and you have saved $600 even if you have to use the salvage calipers for core and get new ones you have still saved $500 and thats with new rotor also.
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It's good to know the kit is based on a 2005-2006 model Grand Cherokee - should be plenty of stopping power. But they have ABS! I want ABS!

Does anyone know where each part comes from exactly - do you reckon anything is original in the kit?
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Does anyone know where each part comes from exactly - do you reckon anything is original in the kit?
I believe the calipers are from Ford (Explorer), the knuckles are modified/reinforced TJ knuckles, and I can't recall if the rotors are from Ford as well???

I do know based on reading some other threads that the WJ knuckles are not a direct swap. I'll see if I can find the explanation.

EDIT: Check out this thread over JF...some may not like 'mrblaine', but he's the guy that helped Vanco put this kit together (lots of research). There are a TON of various Vanco threads over there, but this one specifically discusses the WJ knuckles.
LINK --> http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=526130
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Steelman, I believe you are correct. You can not junkyard these. They are modified TJ knuckles with a different bracket attached to the knuckle for reinforcement.

Knuckles redone to accept Ford Explorer (1995-2000 or 2003-2006 depending) Calipers, Rotors, Pads etc. which all come with the kit. The only Jeep brake anything left is the brake hose.

I've played with the WJ calipers and they are very nice. Pain in the butt to push back the calipers to squeeze in the pads thou, but very nice.
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mnn. Nobody seems to be able to disprove his reasoning. I think I'll take the hit on the kit!

I can see servicing the TJ is gonna get pretty complex if I do all my planned upgrades. I'll goto Jeep for a few minor things, then ford for the brakes and finally GM for the oil change.
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Btw,

Say you go the route on the Vanco from the front, I assume you then want some smaller rear discs. Can I just bolt rubicon ones on - did I read that right somewhere?
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Just like my writeup on the front page you can pickup ZJ brakes cheap. Dana35 rear disks bolt right on and Dana44 you have to get a retaining plate you can get from the dealer.

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