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Old 06-13-2013, 05:50 PM   #1
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Bumpstop question...

Currently my 98 TJ has a Teraflex 2in BB that uses 1.5in front and 2in rear bumpstop extensions.

This weekend I will be upgrading to the 2in BDS spring/shock kit. Would it make sense to keep those bumpstop extensions in? Or would this kit require different extensions, or even no extensions? BDS claims their springs can go to full bind without damage.

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Best thing to do would be to fully cycle and validate clearance sans the jounce bumpstop and measure for need.

Note: When I ran the 2" BDS SL, I did not alter the factory stops and I did not notice any ill effects. However when I later exchanged the BDS suspension out for my current OME suspension, I noticed I had to bumpstop my fronts 1.25" and the rear with the OME supplied bumpstops.

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Currently my 98 TJ has a Teraflex 2in BB that uses 1.5in front and 2in rear bumpstop extensions.

This weekend I will be upgrading to the 2in BDS spring/shock kit. Would it make sense to keep those bumpstop extensions in? Or would this kit require different extensions, or even no extensions? BDS claims their springs can go to full bind without damage.
You might hit the fenders without BS extension. I have the BDS springs and OME shocks with 1.5" BS extension in front and rear. My stock front TB is hitting the ODC diff cover. I'm going to possibly upgrade to the MC or JKS track bar. I'm sure Unlimited04 can help with the BS extensions.
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I would recheck everything. You are changing your shock, which is probably what the bumpstop was set for. You will probably need less. If shocks aren't over compressing and acting as your bumpstop, make sure you have fender clearance for your tires, steering clearance, etc. If all that checks out you won't need any. I am gona guess you will need something like a 1-1.25 extension for the shocks but that is a COMPLETE guess.
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x2, I did not have to install longer bump stops, the factory ones are still on and I have about 1" clearance left at flex....
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x2, I did not have to install longer bump stops, the factory ones are still on and I have about 1" clearance left at flex....
clearance from what? tires?

what about shocks bottoming out? suspension interferences? sway bar links disconnected?

also, you don't want longer bumpstops...but you want bumpstop extensions.
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My plan is to remove the Teraflex extensions that I'm using currently with my 2in BB and go back to stock. I'm planning on doing the front first this Sunday ,and the rear on my next day off. That way I'll have time to test the clearances and make sure I'm not bottoming the shocks. I'm not really worried about fender clearance though, as the factory bumpstop will take care of that.
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My plan is to remove the Teraflex extensions that I'm using currently with my 2in BB and go back to stock. I'm planning on doing the front first this Sunday ,and the rear on my next day off. That way I'll have time to test the clearances and make sure I'm not bottoming the shocks. I'm not really worried about fender clearance though, as the factory bumpstop will take care of that.
you're removing the whole BB, spacers and all, or just the bumpstop extensions? and going back to stock height, or 2" lift height, or what?
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you're removing the whole BB, spacers and all, or just the bumpstop extensions? and going back to stock height, or 2" lift height, or what?
I'm installing a 2in BDS lift. Springs and shocks.
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I'm installing a 2in BDS lift. Springs and shocks.
ok, and now the following questions:

1. what is the compressed length of the shocks, both front and rear?
2. what track bars/brackets & steering will you be using?
3. what tire size?

answer in that order.
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ok, and now the following questions:

1. what is the compressed length of the shocks, both front and rear?
2. what track bars/brackets & steering will you be using?
3. what tire size?

answer in that order.
1: 13.9in front, 13.4in rear.

2: I'm not doing anything with the trackbars this weekend, but they will be updated within a week or two. The bushing at the axle is shot up front, so a new bar is in order anyway. I don't know how easy it is to change that bushing, if it's even worth it. So I'm think JKS adjustable up front, with OME relocation bracket in the rear.

3: 31x10.5. At this point I have no intention of going larger. D35/3.07 rear.

Thanks for the advice!
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1: 13.9in front, 13.4in rear.

2: I'm not doing anything with the trackbars this weekend, but they will be updated within a week or two. The bushing at the axle is shot up front, so a new bar is in order anyway. I don't know how easy it is to change that bushing, if it's even worth it. So I'm think JKS adjustable up front, with OME relocation bracket in the rear.

3: 31x10.5. At this point I have no intention of going larger. D35/3.07 rear.
1. based on shocks alone: front needs 0.5" bumpstop extension, rear needs 1.25" bumpstop extension.
2. the JKS up front will need 2" bumpstop extension to avoid hitting the stock tie-rod. if you go to a V8 ZJ tie-rod, you can drop that down to about 1.25" bumpstop extension. the OME rear bracket will need 1.25" bumpstop extension to avoid hitting the underside of the tub.
3. 31s won't need anything special.

So you're looking at 2" bumpstop extension in front, and 1.25" in the rear - if you keep the stock tie-rod.
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1. based on shocks alone: front needs 0.5" bumpstop extension, rear needs 1.25" bumpstop extension.
2. the JKS up front will need 2" bumpstop extension to avoid hitting the stock tie-rod. if you go to a V8 ZJ tie-rod, you can drop that down to about 1.25" bumpstop extension. the OME rear bracket will need 1.25" bumpstop extension to avoid hitting the underside of the tub.
3. 31s won't need anything special.

So you're looking at 2" bumpstop extension in front, and 1.25" in the rear - if you keep the stock tie-rod.
Those #'s you're posting are off.
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Those #'s you're posting are off.
if you have other information, feel free to show it.

13.5" compressed length shocks fit in front, stock.
12.25" compressed length shocks fit in rear, stock.

13.9-13.5 = 0.4". Round up to 0.5" for good measure.
13.4-12.25 = 1.15". Round up to 1.25" for good measure.

btw, I can post full bump pictures to prove those numbers....
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It seems that my TJ already has the ZJ tie rod.
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I'm liking Unlimited's numbers.

For the shocks alone, now I'm using Monroe specs, the stock replacements (front) are 12.875in. So, a 1in extension would be necessary.

I've got the ZJ tie rod, and will most likely be going with a JKS TB.

So....
I think for now I will leave the 1.5 in extension in place up front.

I'll worry about the rear tomorrow.
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I'm liking Unlimited's numbers.

For the shocks alone, now I'm using Monroe specs, the stock replacements (front) are 12.875in. So, a 1in extension would be necessary.

I think for now I will leave the 1.5 in extension in place.

I'll worry about the rear tomorrow.
Monroe stock spec shocks won't need any bumpstop extension at all...
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Monroe stock spec shocks won't need any bumpstop extension at all...
I was just using the Monroe specs as a comparison with my BDS. 1 inch difference, compressed.

Comparing the Monroe Sensa-trac stock replacements and the BDS included with my kit, we have about 1in front and rear.
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if you have other information, feel free to show it.

13.5" compressed length shocks fit in front, stock.
12.25" compressed length shocks fit in rear, stock.

13.9-13.5 = 0.4". Round up to 0.5" for good measure.
13.4-12.25 = 1.15". Round up to 1.25" for good measure.

btw, I can post full bump pictures to prove those numbers....
13.5" on the front roughly with both jounce bumpers pulled and the axle stuffed sure......but in reality with the jounce bumpers in place you can bump that # up to a solid 14" without issue. To fully compress those jounce bumpers with springs and shocks(and the shocks own mounting bushings top and bottom) in place isn't going to happen.

In the rear, again with jounce bumpers removed, axle fully stuffed you actually have between 12.5-12.75" to play with........and again with springs and shocks installed, fully compressing those jounce bumpers really isn't going to happen.

FWIW, OME 2" TJ full lift kits come with 20mm(.75") rear bumpstop extensions to keep the rear springs from coil bind and still give about a quarter inch of play room for their rear N67 shock at fully compressed length. That right there is over a half inch difference than what you posted(1.25").
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13.5" on the front roughly with both jounce bumpers pulled and the axle stuffed sure......but in reality with the jounce bumpers in place you can bump that # up to a solid 14" without issue.
no, you can't. the jounce bumper will fully compress into the cup.



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To fully compress those jounce bumpers with springs and shocks(and the shocks own mounting bushings top and bottom) in place isn't going to happen.
it absolutely will and does on a daily basis when you're driving down the road.

you got dips in the road, speed bumps, washboards, railroad tracks, and other unexpected rough crap on the road. the picture above is them compressed by hand in a vice. imagine the dynamic forces of a moving 4500lbs vehicle coming slamming down on them.

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In the rear, again with jounce bumpers removed, axle fully stuffed you actually have between 12.5-12.75" to play with........and again with springs and shocks installed, fully compressing those jounce bumpers really isn't going to happen.
they will compress fully into the cup. see above.

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FWIW, OME 2" TJ full lift kits come with 20mm(.75") rear bumpstop extensions to keep the rear springs from coil bind and still give about a quarter inch of play room for their rear N67 shock at fully compressed length. That right there is over a half inch difference than what you posted(1.25").
OME's 20mm extensions aren't enough for their 13.3" compressed length N67's. I have them on my Jeep. you actually need 1.25" bumpstop extension - for two reasons: the shocks, and the bracket vs tub clearances.

1.3" bumpstop extension (shocks fit):


tub vs bracket (notice the space between the cup and the pad):


bracket vs fuel & evap lines may also need to be addressed:

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no, you can't. the jounce bumper will fully compress into the cup.

it absolutely will and does on a daily basis when you're driving down the road.

you got dips in the road, speed bumps, washboards, railroad tracks, and other unexpected rough crap on the road. the picture above is them compressed by hand in a vice. imagine the dynamic forces of a moving 4500lbs vehicle coming slamming down on them.

they will compress fully into the cup. see above.

OME's 20mm extensions aren't enough for their 13.3" compressed length N67's. I have them on my Jeep. you actually need 1.25" bumpstop extension - for two reasons: the shocks, and the bracket vs tub clearances.

1.3" bumpstop extension (shocks fit):

tub vs bracket (notice the space between the cup and the pad):

bracket vs fuel & evap lines may also need to be addressed:
I see you using a vice to compress it......and a full quarter inch or nore still showing.

How much pressure do you think that vice aplies to just ONE jounce bumper? Now imagine another assisting it......then add in 2 springs and 2 shocks.
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I see you using a vice to compress it......and a full quarter inch or nore still showing.

How much pressure do you think that vice aplies to just ONE jounce bumper? Now imagine another assisting it......then add in 2 springs and 2 shocks.
Sorry bud. You are incorrect. They squish into the cup. Go out and flex you jeep hard and tell me it doesn't. My cups touch the spring perches every time I wheel.
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UL, thanks so much for the excellent advice!

So, it seems IF I go with a JKS TB and OME rear bracket, I will need 1.25in of extension front and rear, as I have the ZJ tie rod already.

BUT, what if I decide to stay stock with my trackbars? It's looking like I would only need an inch front and rear.
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BUT, what if I decide to stay stock with my trackbars? It's looking like I would only need an inch front and rear.
how do you come up with those figures?
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how do you come up with those figures?
OK, I was going by Monroe compressed lengths. Your OEM lengths are different. And my shocks were Mopar up front at least.

I simply assumed that Monroe would be at least close to stock.

So, if I keep my TBs stock, my only concern would be shocks, right? .5in front and 1.25 rear?
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OK, I was going by Monroe compressed lengths. Your OEM lengths are different. And my shocks were Mopar up front at least.

I simply assumed that Monroe would be at least close to stock.

So, if I keep my TBs stock, my only concern would be shocks, right?
the numbers I posted aren't OEM shock lengths. they're what fits in the mounts without bumpstop extensions.

and no, shocks aren't the only concern, see pics above.
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the numbers I posted aren't OEM shock lengths. they're what fits in the mounts without bumpstop extensions.

and no, shocks aren't the only concern, see pics above.
Ok, I see.

In your pics, I notice two different brackets. The bracket vs tub shot and the bracket vs evap/fuel shot.

It seems if I stay stock(TB) up front my only concern is the shocks. But the rear is a bit more complicated.

Once I get into the rear tomorrow morning, I'll have a better idea of what I'm dealing with, and what direction I'm going as far a TBs are concerned.

BTW, after a short test run with only the front BDS springs and shocks installed, I'm amazed at how much better the Jeep drives and handles. It's night and day.
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In your pics, I notice two different brackets. The bracket vs tub shot and the bracket vs evap/fuel shot.
the brackets are exactly the same. OME.

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It seems if I stay stock(TB) up front my only concern is the shocks. But the rear is a bit more complicated.

Once I get into the rear tomorrow morning, I'll have a better idea of what I'm dealing with, and what direction I'm going as far a TBs are concerned.
the best way to learn, and see whats going on, is push the axle to full bump while you've got the springs removed. pull the jounce out, and push the axle up till stuff hits.
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the brackets are exactly the same. OME.


the best way to learn, and see whats going on, is push the axle to full bump while you've got the springs removed. pull the jounce out, and push the axle up till stuff hits.
Thanks again, and I hope others will gain some insight from this thread.

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