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Old 03-03-2014, 12:56 AM   #1
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Caster versus Pinion Angle

I realize this topic has been worn out.
I do have a question though.
With "0" pinion angle, I have 2 1/2* of caster.
Should I sacrifice pinion angle to achieve 4 1/2* of caster.
Or should I avoid a downward pinion angle and sacrifice caster.
How harmful is a 2* downward pinion angle???
Any help would be appreciated.

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Pinion angle always takes precedence over caster angle. The front pinion angle needs to be the same as the driveshaft. You can however try adding more Caster angle until you get vibrations from an excessive pinion angle at which point you remove enough angle to stop the vibes. No amount of drivetrain vibes are acceptable.

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I would compromise between the two but the rule of thumb Jerry gave you is correct.
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At what speeds should I expect to feel the driveline vibrations?
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This is a great description adjustable control arms, caster, and pinion angle
How-to: Setting up 8 adjustable control arms.

And there's a great example of what driveline vibes are in this video when he lets go of the traditional driveshaft
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You might want to consider swapping your front axle out for a high pinion 30 out of an xj. That's what I did, and am very happy with the result. It allowed me to get about 6° of caster with a correct drive line angle, when before it was less than 3° with the low pinion. Makes a terrific difference in the way it drives.
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I have a high pinion ProRock 44 from Dynatrac.
I assume that I just have too much lift.
I have RE 3 1/2 springs that I believe give me 4 1/2" lift.
The motor and T case are also up almost 2".
It gives me a lot of front drive shaft angle.
Thanks for the help. All info and suggestions are appreciated.
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I have a high pinion ProRock 44 from Dynatrac.
I assume that I just have too much lift.
I have RE 3 1/2 springs that I believe give me 4 1/2" lift.
The motor and T case are also up almost 2".
It gives me a lot of front drive shaft angle.
Thanks for the help. All info and suggestions are appreciated.
Weird, I've got an ultra high clearance skid I'm running with stock tranny mount and 4" of suspension lift and still manage to get about 6°. You should try running your pinion angle a degree or two low and see if it generates vibes. The front ds is long enough that you may be fine.
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I use the same setup as Water Dog except with a LP30. I can't remember my exact numbers but I had no problem finding an acceptable compromise between PA and caster.

Slight derail:
Water Dog, as you know we have pretty much the same drive line and suspension setups in the rear. The only difference I've seen is you use a stock trans mount and I have the lopro. I'm wondering do you have binding issues with the DC joint? Mine just about binds at full droop with the lopro and 20" DS. I have a Brown Dog 1.5" MML on the way. Hopefully this will allow me to use a stock mount and ditch the lopro, I don't care for the buzz at idle.
Sorry for the derailment, Water Dog feel free to pm me if you feel this is too far off topic. Thanks.
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Slight derail:
Water Dog, as you know we have pretty much the same drive line and suspension setups in the rear. The only difference I've seen is you use a stock trans mount and I have the lopro. I'm wondering do you have binding issues with the DC joint? Mine just about binds at full droop with the lopro and 20" DS. I have a Brown Dog 1.5" MML on the way. Hopefully this will allow me to use a stock mount and ditch the lopro, I don't care for the buzz at idle.
Sorry for the derailment, Water Dog feel free to pm me if you feel this is too far off topic. Thanks.
I'm using that exact set up...the Brown dog 1" mml, stock trans mount, no binding or vibes. I have wheeled it a few times now with that set up without issues. I do have the JB super short SYE, not sure which you're running, but IIRC my ds was around 20" also. Sorry OP.
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I started at 0* pinion angle, 2 1/2* caster.
I was under the impression that any negative [low] pinion angle was unacceptable.
I'm now being told that up to about 3* is OK.
When I went to 3* low pinion angle, I thought that I had a slight vibration.
I'm now at 1 1/2* PA and I will see what that gives me.
I must admit, I've not seen any significant difference in driving manners at the different angles. [caster]
When I settle on a final pinion angle, I will then get the Caster checked again.

Rear DS subject:
Mine is an LJ Rubicon so my DS is longer and bolts to the T case.
Before I switched to a Tom Wood's DS I had 1 1/2* low pinion angle at diff.
To help keep from binding at full drop I took a Dermal and ground the flanges for more clearance. I was surprised at how little grinding I had to do to achieve a significant increase in angle.

Low Pro mount:
I also have the UCF ultra high skid.
I used some 5/8 heater hose and placed it between and wherever I thought the 2 pieces of the Lo Pro mount would make contact. It's not a cure all, but it does help the vibs at idle a lot.
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I started at 0* pinion angle, 2 1/2* caster.
I was under the impression that any negative [low] pinion angle was unacceptable.
I'm now being told that up to about 3* is OK.
When I went to 3* low pinion angle, I thought that I had a slight vibration.
I'm now at 1 1/2* PA and I will see what that gives me.
I must admit, I've not seen any significant difference in driving manners at the different angles. [caster]
When I settle on a final pinion angle, I will then get the Caster checked again.

Rear DS subject:
Mine is an LJ Rubicon so my DS is longer and bolts to the T case.
Before I switched to a Tom Wood's DS I had 1 1/2* low pinion angle at diff.
To help keep from binding at full drop I took a Dermal and ground the flanges for more clearance. I was surprised at how little grinding I had to do to achieve a significant increase in angle.

Low Pro mount:
I also have the UCF ultra high skid.
I used some 5/8 heater hose and placed it between and wherever I thought the 2 pieces of the Lo Pro mount would make contact. It's not a cure all, but it does help the vibs at idle a lot.
How are you checking your caster angle? Are you using an original angle from an alignment and adding/subtracting?
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Yes, I took the 2 1/2* caster at the front end alignment as a base.
I then measured the diff angle on the flats on the back of the diff.
It was 96* with 0* pinion angle and 2 1/2* caster.
When I went to 3* low pinion angle, I had 94* on the diff flats.
Now at 1 1/2* low pinion angle I have 95.1* on the diff flats.
When I settle on a final pinion angle I will go back to front end shop and get the caster checked again. A friend charges me $20 to give me all the front end readings [print out], no adjustments.
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Driveshaft pinion angle is measured on the driveshaft and then the angle on the pinion U joint. Subtract one from the other. Digital angle meter is used. I really like it.
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Yes, I took the 2 1/2* caster at the front end alignment as a base.
I then measured the diff angle on the flats on the back of the diff.
It was 96* with 0* pinion angle and 2 1/2* caster.
When I went to 3* low pinion angle, I had 94* on the diff flats.
Now at 1 1/2* low pinion angle I have 95.1* on the diff flats.
When I settle on a final pinion angle I will go back to front end shop and get the caster checked again. A friend charges me $20 to give me all the front end readings [print out], no adjustments.
Sounds like you're doing it right. I was just wondering if maybe you were trying to measure the angle while not sitting on a level surface, and taking the angle measurement as the caster.
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I appreciate your concern.
I won't swear that my driveway is level. It is not quite level, but it is concrete and I put the Jeep in the same place to make all my measurements. All my measurements are only relative to my driveway.
I set toe, ride height, diff centers, and pinion angles in the same spot in the driveway. I do recheck all measurements when on the Front End rack to make sure they are all okay.
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done some measuring on the rack and the differential gasket surface is 3 degrees more than caster. If the surface is 7 degrees the caster is 4 degrees. Helps getting a rough idea on caster.
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done some measuring on the rack and the differential gasket surface is 3 degrees more than caster. If the surface is 7 degrees the caster is 4 degrees. Helps getting a rough idea on caster.
That works if you are sitting on a level surface like an alignment rack, but if sitting on a sloped driveway or garage floor that angle would have to be added/deducted depending on direction.
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I have found that finding a true level pad [place] that is large enough for a vehicle is really really hard to find. That's why I said that my readings are only relative to see the amount of change and not actual to a level reading like on an alignment rack. That is also why I try to put the Jeep in the exactly same spot in the driveway when I make adjustments. Even your garage floor is not level because it is supposed to have a slope to it for water to run off. [building code]
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I'm using that exact set up...the Brown dog 1" mml, stock trans mount, no binding or vibes. I have wheeled it a few times now with that set up without issues. I do have the JB super short SYE, not sure which you're running, but IIRC my ds was around 20" also. Sorry OP.
I use the JBC SS as well. Another difference is, up until last weekend I used Currie lower shock mount relocating brackets. These gave a bit more droop than normal. Also required a bit more more bump stop. I corrected my upper coil mounts last weekend and notched the lower spring mounts so I could remove the Currie brackets. Still waiting on my BD 1.5 MML I ordered it Feb 10. Hopefully that will give me enough to use a stock trans mount. If I still have bind I'll take a die grinder to the ujoint flanges like ANOTHER JEEP suggested.

As for the concrete my 24'x24' attached garage has 2" of fall front to rear. My 30'x40' pole barn (shop) is as level as possible. I poured it that way to accommodate a two post hoist.

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As for the concrete my 24'x24' attached garage has 2" of fall front to rear. My 30'x40' pole barn (shop) is as level as possible. I poured it that way to accommodate a two post hoist.

I do wish I would've installed a floor drain.
Okay, I'm jealous...I'll be right over.....
I just set a piece of angle on the garage floor next to my Jeep and measured the floor angle. It was about .5° so I just deducted that from my caster angle measurement.
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I'm jealous also. Looks like a well equipped shop. I can't get in my 2 car garage. It's full of parts and tools. Hope to expand to a 6 car garage with lift someday. I've also considered a pole bldg. I do have access to a lift pad that was poured level also and use it when I really want level.
I like the idea of laying a length of angle down to check slope.
You all talk of using BD MM's. BD's site speaks of breaking MM brackets from the block. Has this happened to the 2 of you or people you know?
To raise the MM's 1 1/2" or more you do have trouble on the right [passenger] side. The frame and block brackets hit each other and don't allow you to raise much more then an inch. I bought new brackets and ground them for clearance.
If you are breaking the left mount bracket at the block, why not just chain the motor down?
My 05 Jeep LJ is my first Jeep, so my knowledge of how to build a Jeep is limited. I've owned it for 2 years.
I got tired of breaking the front diff in my 2008 Hummer H3 Alpha and after attending the 2012 EJS I come home and bought a Jeep.
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You all talk of using BD MM's. BD's site speaks of breaking MM brackets from the block. Has this happened to the 2 of you or people you know?
To raise the MM's 1 1/2" or more you do have trouble on the right [passenger] side. The frame and block brackets hit each other and don't allow you to raise much more then an inch. I bought new brackets and ground them for clearance.
My BD MML is only a 1", and the only issue I remember having was on one side (Driver's side IIRC) I really had to work at getting the washers on the end of the bushing narrow enough to go in the bracket where the through bolt goes. I haven't experienced any type of failure with them, and don't notice any difference in engine vibes with the rubber mounts.
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Do you have just the mount or do you have the motor side brackets to go with the mount itself?
I also want to apologize for my lack of knowledge and not checking before speaking. I looked at and under my Jeep this afternoon and now know why you can't just strap or chain the motor down. There's no cross member to attach to and no easy place on the motor to attach to.
I used stock motor mounts, wanted the rubber bushings, with the JKS 1" blocks. Then I added aluminum blocks [about 3/4"] until I had a 1/2" fan to shroud clearance at the bottom. I have a 1 1/2" body lift.
Do you have a body lift and did you have to lower your fan shroud?
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I just used the mount with the stock brackets. I have a 1" body lift, and a 1" motor mount lift, but with the transmission/transfer case raised up a couple of inches or so from the tummy tuck, it lowers the fan a little, but IIRC, I think my fan shroud is now in the stock location. It's been moved so many times, I should put a zipper on it...
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The iinfo I've received from the 2 of you has been appreciated.

I'd would of never heard of BD MMs if not for you.
I'm going to get the 1 1/2" mounts and maybe the right side bracket. That's the side that has the clearance issues when you raise over 1". I wish I had found BD a year ago when I was doing the project.
Jeeps are never ending and are always being improved on.
Luckily I go me wife an 04 Jeep TJ Rubicon last fall and I will put the parts I take off mine on hers. Hers is going to have a 3" lift with 33" tires. I should have all the parts from previous projects on the 05 LJ Rubicon.

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Sorry I kinda ducked out of here for a couple days. I spent a marathon weekend getting the Jeep ready for a Kentucky wheel trip in two weeks. As for the MML, I ordered a month ago and still haven't received it. ANOTHER JEEP, I was trying to figure out what would interfere with a 1.5" MML on the passenger side. Once I looked from underneath I saw what you meant. The channel on the the frame side will contact the engine bracket. Looks like I can trim a 1/2" off the channel with the plasma cutter without compromising the integrity of the channel. Since I don't have the new mounts yet they won't be installed until after Kentucky. I'm going to check out that passenger side bracket from BD. If it clears the 1.5" MML with no modification, I may order that as well. I really wanted the MML installed before my trip but it's too close. You guys know how it goes, I change this and now two other things down the line need modified, now I'm rushing and stressing. No thanks. I just finished my upper coil correction. Most people gain a slight lift from it. I lost .5" but gained 1 3/8" between the coil mounts at ride height. Now I think I'm going to need a 3/4" spacer to level it out. Grrrrr
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Have fun in Kentucky. What is the event in Kentucky?
Wish I had a plasma cutter.
I actually measured how much lift My MM had yesterday and I lied to you. I actually have 2"s of lift. I have the JKS 1" block, a 1/2" aluminum block and 4; 1/8" blocks. I'm going to order the 2" BD MML. Sorry to hear that it is taking so long to get your mounts.
I looked at there right side bracket also.
Have you heard of anybody ever breaking and engine bracket as BD describes on there site?
When I did this project last year, I bought a new right side engine bracket and ground on it. I also had issues with the bottom engine brkt bolt and the MM nut above the bolt.
Check the exhaust at the right lower control arm when you raise it. It gets close.
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Just to update this discussion, I finally installed my BD 1.5" MML. As suspected the were minor clearance issues with the frame perch and engine bracket. Some quick work with the plasma cutter and die grinder took care of it nicely.


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Thanks for the update. Good pics also.
I'm considering getting the BD mounts. I'm just not sure how I want ot go about it.
I now have stock type mounts with JKS 1" blocks and then I have another inch of alum. spacers under the block for a total of 2"s of lift. I'd like another 1/4" of lift to center the fan better. I'm considering 1" MM, 1" block, and 1/4" spacer. The higher you go the worse the bracket and bolt clearance issue becomes.
Thanks again for the update and pics.

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