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Old 05-23-2008, 04:12 PM   #1
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clicking/ticking noise when turning/accelerating from total stop!!!!!

Hey everyone, I just had my clutch worked on, master/slave cylinders replaced and the front pinion replaced, 2000 Jeep Wrangler 4.0 I-6, everything stock, so no lift on the Jeep. This afternoon when coming back to work I noticed/heard a clicking/ticking noise when I took a right turn at low speed, and then again when starting from a total stop in the parking lot (going straight). It goes away rather quickly and only happens when turning or accelerating from a total stop...

It sounds like its coming from right under the floor board near the acceleration pedal (but I can hear it when the window is down on the left side, might be cause I am on the left side I have no idea).. My old '89 Cherokee did this exact thing for years and nothing ever happened, in fact its still running and making the noise, but I don't really wanna screw up my Wrangler...

I can't imagine it has anything to do with the clutch or trans cause its shifting and driving like a dream! and the master/slave cylinders would make it hard to shift... but I have no idea about the pinion!!! Any thoughts?

Lemme know asap cause this worries me at the beginning of a 3 day weekend!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks again everyone... let me know if I can describe the noise in further detail (might be able to manage a little more )

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did some further online search... sway bar bushings possible not put back on after clutch work? do they even have to remove the sway bar to get the trans out?

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no sway bar removel need for any tranny work.
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Old 05-23-2008, 06:57 PM   #4
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CV joint? I am just trying to think of anything that could be causing this, cause I never noticed it before getting the clutch work done...
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sorry to keep posting more questions to my own thread... would replacing a front pinion cause CV joint problems if not done properly?
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when you say the front pinion are you talking about the acual pinion and ring or the seal?
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First thing to do I would say is check the front axle u-joints if they are tight grab the front drive shaft and shake it as hard as you can to see if there is any play in the pinion yoke.If all that checks out you will need to see if it has a big rubber plug on the bell houseing.If so it is an inspection hole pull it out and look up in there to see if everything looks like it should asumeing you know what to look for here if not take it back to the place that done the work on it.
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when you say the front pinion are you talking about the acual pinion and ring or the seal?
They replaced the pinion seal...
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First thing to do I would say is check the front axle u-joints if they are tight grab the front drive shaft and shake it as hard as you can to see if there is any play in the pinion yoke.If all that checks out you will need to see if it has a big rubber plug on the bell houseing.If so it is an inspection hole pull it out and look up in there to see if everything looks like it should asumeing you know what to look for here if not take it back to the place that done the work on it.
I grabbed the drive shaft earlier when I was under there and shook it, and it did move a little, but I wasn't looking at the yoke when I did it, I didn't shake it really hard tho, but I think the drive shaft moved a little.. I will check out the u-joints in the morning since its dark here and I don't feel like climbing under there with a flash-light... I have no idea what to look for in the bellhousing though! I just can't think of what they could have done with just doing clutch work, master/slave cylinders and pinion seal!!!! unless they installed the seal cock-eyed or something...
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You should be able to see if it is cockeyed or not because if that is the problem it would have to sticking out on one side enough to be hitting the ears on the yoke to be clicking.Never the less I would take it back to the shop that done the work or at least call them to see what they say.If it is pulling and shifting fine it's not likely a clutch/pressure plate problem and the master cylinder doesn't move and the slave only has a rod that comes out when the pedal is depressed but nothing to do with acceleration.Call the shop!!!!
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after some searching online, it sounds like symptoms of the CV joint going bad, I just don't know why it would do it right after getting this work done... I wouldn't have thought they could have done anything to mess up the CV joint!
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Unless they changed them I don't think you have CV joints,you should have U-Joints in the front axles.But yes check the front axles for play in the U-joints and also check for rusty dust around the u-joint cups.As I said in an earlier post that is were I would have started first
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Unless they changed them I don't think you have CV joints,you should have U-Joints in the front axles.But yes check the front axles for play in the U-joints and also check for rusty dust around the u-joint cups.As I said in an earlier post that is were I would have started first
I know there are usually have CV joints on FWD cars, but for some reason I though 4x4's had them in the front as well.. plus like I said the description of the sound matches perfectly with what I read as worn CV joints.. This site seems to think Wranglers have CV joints... or did they stop putting CV joints in Jeeps?

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I am honestly not even sure what to look for.. was hoping to be armed with some kind of opinion when I took it back in so the place doesn't start telling me I need all kinds of crap replaced... Well going to go and climb back under the jeep now that its day light! Anything in the differentials might cause the sounds??
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I am not arguing mind you, but a buddy of mine that is a mechanic in NE where I used to live said, "Each front wheel has a CV joint, which means constant velocity. Is designed for driving over uneven terrain, lets the front end survive the shocks and jolts of running over rocks and into holes. But this is just a guess since I can't hear the sound or check it out." He also suggested it could be a loose or cracked transmission mount, but has no idea since he isn't here... told me to take it back to the shop too
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oddly enough, I just drove it around and didn't hear a pep out of it... I will say my sway bar bushings are rotted rubber at this point.. probably need to replace them! Other than that after looking directly under where the pop came from when I accelerated the U-Joint is right there, so I am thinking it has to have something to do with that... Still taking it in tho, will let you guys know what the shop says... Thanks for the help as always! now I have to go and install that blower motor resistor!!
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Does it rattle or does it click continuously with speed?
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99% front axle u joints. you don't have cv joints, unless they put them on tj's that i don't know about. grand cherokees have cv axles in front. they work the same way. they allow an axle shaft to turn, and spin in all directions/angles with your wheels turning.

doesn't have anything to do w/ shock or bumps or hitting holes. i would replace them both if they are old, sometimes you don't find play or looseness in them, but they are binding up.
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Does it rattle or does it click continuously with speed?
it only clicked when I turned and accelerated from a total stop, not what I would describe as a rattle though... but the clicking stopped once I straighted out the Jeep after turning and once I got up to a little bit of speed after accelerating.. Best way I can think to describe it is I would start turning and hear; tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick.. The accelerating was more of a soft thump thump, and stopped after I got moving.. and it doesn't seem to do that when I pull off gently...
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99% front axle u joints. you don't have cv joints, unless they put them on tj's that i don't know about. grand cherokees have cv axles in front. they work the same way. they allow an axle shaft to turn, and spin in all directions/angles with your wheels turning.

doesn't have anything to do w/ shock or bumps or hitting holes. i would replace them both if they are old, sometimes you don't find play or looseness in them, but they are binding up.
good deal, they look OLD.. well they are at least 8 years old, to the best of my knowledge they have never been replaced, and I have owned the Jeep since 2000... But yeah, when I hit a bump/hole there is no noise at all out of the ordinary.. How serious would it be if that is the issue? (old u-joints I mean)... After dropping $$$ getting everything fixed this week, its just annoying to find something else.. good thing I have been saving up money over the last year I guess!
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they are not related to previous repairs. and the u joint itself is about $15-$20 ea. if you can do them they're cheap. but a shop is gonna charge a few hundred dollars to do both.

if they're original i'd just do it. they are what lets your front axle shaft turn with your tires. worst case i'd say is it binds and seizes up, and you could break an ear off an axle shaft, but usually the u joint will break without damage to axle.

once it breaks though, your stuck, don't try to drive it home, then you could damage other parts.
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sounds like I should be ok to do moderate driving till the shop opens back up on Tues. its not my usual shop, but was suggested to me when my clutch stopped working.. maybe I will just take it to the usual place and have them have a look at it, probably cheaper that way too... Thanks everyone, I am pretty satisfied its the u-joint, have had too many people suggest it for it to be something else I think (guess my mechanic buddy didn't know that Wranglers don't have CV joints, but sound like they are pretty much the same thing as the u-joints)... Wish I could repair that one at home!
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anyone have any idea how long I might have before the u-joints are totally shot? I am going to go ahead and replace them, I was just curious about lifespan after they start to sound worn...
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impossible to tell, but generally it sounds like you're ok to last till you get to the shop when they open. don't use 4x4, or drive everywhere, but you should be ok. you can't put a time on it, could be 2 days, could be 2 months, who knows.
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my jeep does the same thing! you described it better than me though. i still haven't figured out whats doin it. i have replaced the u joints, hub and wheel bearing assembly, and the u joint on the front driveline. for the moment i have given up on finding it, as long as i dont accelerate hard while turning left it doesn't do it. i'm just gonna wait for something to break.
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my jeep does the same thing! you described it better than me though. i still haven't figured out whats doin it. i have replaced the u joints, hub and wheel bearing assembly, and the u joint on the front driveline. for the moment i have given up on finding it, as long as i dont accelerate hard while turning left it doesn't do it. i'm just gonna wait for something to break.
have you checked your ball joints maybe
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my jeep does the same thing! you described it better than me though. i still haven't figured out whats doin it. i have replaced the u joints, hub and wheel bearing assembly, and the u joint on the front driveline. for the moment i have given up on finding it, as long as i dont accelerate hard while turning left it doesn't do it. i'm just gonna wait for something to break.
lol, thanks, I was worried I didn't go into enough detail.. The sounds has gone away as far as I can tell, at least for the moment, but I am not driving aggressively at all.. Still going to take it to the shop to see if they can figure out what the thump noise was under my right foot and see if they can find the clicking noise when I turn.. My old 89 Cherokee has made the same noises for 7-9 years, still does it, still drives fine... maybe its just a new noise.. if the shop can't find anything I am not going to start replacing stuff!!!
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have you checked your ball joints maybe
would I be able to see if they were bad? I think I know where they are but I am not sure...
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jack the tire off the ground...grab the tire at the 12o'clock posistion and the 6o'clock position. try and move the tire ..pushing on the top and pulling on the bottom of the tire. and the opposite. if there is excesive play they need replaced.
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yes or use a long pipe or a long piece of 2 by 4. Put it under the tire and try to lift it up. If they are bad they would "pop" (no noise).
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Here is a question... towing damage? was towed on the front wheels, they were almost totally straight when parked it and when I saw it at the shop the day after getting it towed, but had a slight slight angle...

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