Clutch Problem - Jeep Wrangler Forum
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > TJ Jeep Wrangler Forum > TJ Tech Forum

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 05-11-2013, 08:39 PM   #1
Jeeper
 
chrislewis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: West Lafayette, Indiana
Posts: 101
Clutch Problem

Here's a new one for me and everyone at the park today. So we were wheeling, for about... 5 hours. All was well, stock TJ doin work. Then all of the sudden, I went through some water, not very deep, maybe a foot, and my clutch stopped working... I had been fording a creek this whole time, a little deeper than the spot where my clutch stopped, and had no problems.

I turned the jeep off because I couldn't put it into gear, even with the clutch pushed to the floor. Turned it back on and was only able to put it into gear with the pedal to the floor, and it was very rough at that. Next, I drove the rest of the day at the park, only taking less than half of an inch of release on the clutch for full gear engagement. I went to leave the park, turned the jeep on, and couldn't get it into gear. Finally slammed it into first and the jeep just took off while shaking, like partial clutch with no gas. I float shifted all the way home and parked it.

We inspected the hydraulic fluid level, it appeared to be the right level, but also appeared to maybe have a little water in it. What should I do? I have lots of Jeep experience, but never have I dealt with a clutch, I was fortunate enough to buy my TJ with a brand new clutch last year. Also that, it's a brand new clutch. Flawless before today.

Thanks for any help in advance. I have to drive over an hour tomorrow and would feel better if I know what was happening.

__________________
'97 TJ "Earl"- i6, 5 speed, Runk steel bumpers front and back, CB. Everything else, stock
chrislewis is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-11-2013, 09:21 PM   #2
Jeeper
 
chrislewis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: West Lafayette, Indiana
Posts: 101
Bump

__________________
'97 TJ "Earl"- i6, 5 speed, Runk steel bumpers front and back, CB. Everything else, stock
chrislewis is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-11-2013, 09:24 PM   #3
Jeeper
 
GingerTJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,526
Unfortunately I would say examine the clutch fork. I'm not sure this is it but sometimes the little spring clip that holds the fork on can fail and cause weird stuff going on. Look and inspect
Attached Images
 
__________________
4" BDS springs, zone nitro shocks, rubicon express track bar, Currie tie rod, 1" Rokmen bl, 1" JKS mml, AA Sye/cv conversion, Black Magic Brakes, JKS upper adjustable arms, 4.88 regear, 27 spline chromeolly shafts, 35x12.5x15 GG's on ion's 174, rhino lined tub, boat cannon stereo, rock hard harness bar, Led Windshield Light bar
GingerTJ is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-11-2013, 10:06 PM   #4
Jeeper
 
chrislewis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: West Lafayette, Indiana
Posts: 101
Might I ask where that is/how to get to it?
__________________
'97 TJ "Earl"- i6, 5 speed, Runk steel bumpers front and back, CB. Everything else, stock
chrislewis is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-11-2013, 10:08 PM   #5
Jeeper
 
03 sahara jeeper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 503
The only way to check it is to pull the transmission.
03 sahara jeeper is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-11-2013, 10:09 PM   #6
Jeeper
 
chrislewis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: West Lafayette, Indiana
Posts: 101
__________________
'97 TJ "Earl"- i6, 5 speed, Runk steel bumpers front and back, CB. Everything else, stock
chrislewis is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-11-2013, 10:15 PM   #7
Jeeper
 
Hiatus83's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: South Jersey
Posts: 127
and while your inspecting the clutch fork might as well do the clutch job too, cause if you have never done it to your jeep and you have a good amount of miles on it, it will need it soon... fyi
Hiatus83 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-11-2013, 11:01 PM   #8
Jeeper
 
chrislewis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: West Lafayette, Indiana
Posts: 101
It has 78 k and a new clutch almost a year ago
__________________
'97 TJ "Earl"- i6, 5 speed, Runk steel bumpers front and back, CB. Everything else, stock
chrislewis is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-12-2013, 08:40 AM   #9
Jeeper
 
GingerTJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,526
Just slide out the tranny and inspect it. Not that big of a deal. 3 hrs or so
__________________
4" BDS springs, zone nitro shocks, rubicon express track bar, Currie tie rod, 1" Rokmen bl, 1" JKS mml, AA Sye/cv conversion, Black Magic Brakes, JKS upper adjustable arms, 4.88 regear, 27 spline chromeolly shafts, 35x12.5x15 GG's on ion's 174, rhino lined tub, boat cannon stereo, rock hard harness bar, Led Windshield Light bar
GingerTJ is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-15-2013, 03:56 PM   #10
Jeeper
 
chrislewis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: West Lafayette, Indiana
Posts: 101
Update: after starting the Jeep, clutch works fine for first 3-4 shifts. Then clutch fails.
__________________
'97 TJ "Earl"- i6, 5 speed, Runk steel bumpers front and back, CB. Everything else, stock
chrislewis is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-22-2013, 10:27 AM   #11
Jeeper
 
chrislewis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: West Lafayette, Indiana
Posts: 101
Newest update, I put a 2 inch coil space lift on and in the process jacked it up 2 feet in the rear first. I tube feel down from near the tranny. This tube began leaking water. About... A quarter gallon.

Now my clutch partially works. As long as i push it to the floor, or about half an inch off the floor, there is no jumping. Then hit about 3/4 an inch and it engages the gear. This picture shows the tube. Anyone have any idea what that could possibly mean? It will consistently work now while driving, just not quite how its supposed to.

Click image for larger version

Name:	ForumRunner_20130522_112448.jpg
Views:	78
Size:	66.9 KB
ID:	252257
__________________
'97 TJ "Earl"- i6, 5 speed, Runk steel bumpers front and back, CB. Everything else, stock
chrislewis is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-22-2013, 10:36 AM   #12
Jeeper
 
King_Aragon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Hell Paso
Posts: 261
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrislewis View Post
Newest update, I put a 2 inch coil space lift on and in the process jacked it up 2 feet in the rear first. I tube feel down from near the tranny. This tube began leaking water. About... A quarter gallon.

Now my clutch partially works. As long as i push it to the floor, or about half an inch off the floor, there is no jumping. Then hit about 3/4 an inch and it engages the gear. This picture shows the tube. Anyone have any idea what that could possibly mean? It will consistently work now while driving, just not quite how its supposed to.
That's on overflow breather hose. If you suspect you got water in the transmission you have to flush the fluid. I got mud water in mine and my synchros went bad, and pretty much the whole transmission is being rebuilt. Extend that line to the highest point on the Jeep should be by your air box. This will prevent any more water in it.
King_Aragon is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-22-2013, 10:47 AM   #13
Jeeper
 
chrislewis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: West Lafayette, Indiana
Posts: 101
Cool, good to know. Do you happen to know if this could effect the clutch?
__________________
'97 TJ "Earl"- i6, 5 speed, Runk steel bumpers front and back, CB. Everything else, stock
chrislewis is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-04-2013, 07:01 PM   #14
Jeeper
 
chrislewis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: West Lafayette, Indiana
Posts: 101
UPDATE: Things have gone terrible south. Was driving, clutch proceeded to go to the floor with no resistance. Now, there is a terrible sound being made when pushing the clutch down. I cannot shift into gear when the vehicle is running. I can shift into gear when it isn't. I have a video of the sound.

__________________
'97 TJ "Earl"- i6, 5 speed, Runk steel bumpers front and back, CB. Everything else, stock
chrislewis is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-04-2013, 07:19 PM   #15
Jeeper
 
chrislewis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: West Lafayette, Indiana
Posts: 101
Please tell me what's broken. I need to order parts and get to work ASAP. It's my DD and I need it for work everyday...
__________________
'97 TJ "Earl"- i6, 5 speed, Runk steel bumpers front and back, CB. Everything else, stock
chrislewis is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-04-2013, 07:40 PM   #16
Jeeper
 
chrislewis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: West Lafayette, Indiana
Posts: 101
Bump for emergency repair.
__________________
'97 TJ "Earl"- i6, 5 speed, Runk steel bumpers front and back, CB. Everything else, stock
chrislewis is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-04-2013, 07:42 PM   #17
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
Water Dog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Roseville, CA
Posts: 4,800
Images: 11
Sounds like it might be the throw out bearing-the bearing that rides in the fork in GingerTJ's picture....It means pulling the tansmission.
__________________
Dennis
Water Dog is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-06-2013, 11:09 PM   #18
Jeeper
 
chrislewis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: West Lafayette, Indiana
Posts: 101
Well I just got a whole new clutch kit. Throw out bearing included. Figured if I'm in there, might as well do the whole thing
__________________
'97 TJ "Earl"- i6, 5 speed, Runk steel bumpers front and back, CB. Everything else, stock
chrislewis is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-07-2013, 02:10 PM   #19
Jeeper
 
GingerTJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,526
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrislewis View Post
Well I just got a whole new clutch kit. Throw out bearing included. Figured if I'm in there, might as well do the whole thing
Also check your clutch slave
__________________
4" BDS springs, zone nitro shocks, rubicon express track bar, Currie tie rod, 1" Rokmen bl, 1" JKS mml, AA Sye/cv conversion, Black Magic Brakes, JKS upper adjustable arms, 4.88 regear, 27 spline chromeolly shafts, 35x12.5x15 GG's on ion's 174, rhino lined tub, boat cannon stereo, rock hard harness bar, Led Windshield Light bar
GingerTJ is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-07-2013, 03:49 PM   #20
Jeeper
 
jherrington's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Baton Rouge
Posts: 1,968
Wow that sounds horrible.

Check your clutch fluid
__________________
98 TJ sport 4.0L I6 356,000 miles.
No Engine, axle, tranny, or t-case rebuilds.
Check out my 5.3 swap in progress here!
jherrington is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-07-2013, 04:08 PM   #21
Jeeper
 
chrislewis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: West Lafayette, Indiana
Posts: 101
Fluid is brand new and full
__________________
'97 TJ "Earl"- i6, 5 speed, Runk steel bumpers front and back, CB. Everything else, stock
chrislewis is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-10-2013, 09:10 AM   #22
Newb
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 2
So here it goes......hoping for some insight. My clutch pedal starting getting "sticky" when depressing and releasing it. I also noticed the the tranny would engage closer to the floor when I started to release the clutch. There is some squealing that goes along with this.....primarily when the clutch pedal is up. While the jeep is running and the clutch pedal is depressed I can't put it into gear. If I turn it off then I can put it in gear and when I start it in gear I can feel it try to lurch forward slightly while it's turning over. Once running, still in 1st gear, I can feel that it wants to take off slightly like the clutch isn't fully engaged. I backed the studs off of the slave cylinder to ensure it's engaging when the clutch pedal is depressed. Slave cylinder seems to be operating correctly. Thanks in advance!
Cmoore1776 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-10-2013, 09:48 AM   #23
Jeeper
 
chrislewis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: West Lafayette, Indiana
Posts: 101
Well here was one of my problems. The other was a shredded throw out bearing. Replaced the slave and clutch. Took forever because I didn't have all of the tools and have never done something so involved. It works like new now

Click image for larger version

Name:	ForumRunner_20130610_104637.jpg
Views:	61
Size:	52.4 KB
ID:	259778
__________________
'97 TJ "Earl"- i6, 5 speed, Runk steel bumpers front and back, CB. Everything else, stock
chrislewis is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-10-2013, 10:05 PM   #24
Jeeper
 
REDY2KTJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Colorado
Posts: 85
Images: 4
GOOD ON YA! Congrats!
__________________
Hello, My Name is REDY2KTJ, and I'm a Jeepaholic

Colorado Jeep Club Member #2000 (Y2K)

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
REDY2KTJ is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-10-2013, 10:17 PM   #25
Jeeper
 
GingerTJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,526
Well done
__________________
4" BDS springs, zone nitro shocks, rubicon express track bar, Currie tie rod, 1" Rokmen bl, 1" JKS mml, AA Sye/cv conversion, Black Magic Brakes, JKS upper adjustable arms, 4.88 regear, 27 spline chromeolly shafts, 35x12.5x15 GG's on ion's 174, rhino lined tub, boat cannon stereo, rock hard harness bar, Led Windshield Light bar
GingerTJ is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-11-2013, 12:04 AM   #26
Jeeper

WF Supporting Member
 
BigEZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: People's Republic of Illinois
Posts: 871
Images: 4
you guys beat me to it, but when in doubt with clutch probs, check/replace the slave cylinder. something about the jeep set up, but 75-90k seems to be that zone where they seem to clunk out.
__________________
Ride hard.
Shoot straight.
Tell the truth.
BigEZ is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-13-2013, 08:09 PM   #27
Jeeper
 
chrislewis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: West Lafayette, Indiana
Posts: 101
The sad part was, the rod fell into the tranny... so no matter what I had to pull it all. Went ahead and threw in the new clutch. It was clearly burnt in a few places and unevenly wearing. Probably down about... 50%. Haven't ever felt a clutch so smooth.

__________________
'97 TJ "Earl"- i6, 5 speed, Runk steel bumpers front and back, CB. Everything else, stock
chrislewis is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Wrangler Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



» Rates
Get low rates on auto insurance in Canada!

» Network Links
»Jeep Parts
» Featured Product

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:22 PM.



Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC