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Old 05-10-2008, 05:23 PM   #1
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contol arms...ugh.

Any one have any advice for getting the lower control arm bolts to frame off. the axle bolts came off easy. Not rusted at all, just superman tight. Using an impact and cant even get them off. Same with piitman arm, got the nut off and now cant get the arm off even with a puller and impact. Thanks.

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First, why are you trying to pull the Pitman arm? Don't install a dropped Pitman arm UNLESS your lift also includes a corresponding dropped upper trackbar mount which is rarely included. Installing a dropped Pitman arm without that corresponding dropped upper trackbar mount will just cause bump steer, a bad steering condition you don't want.

Most of the time a dropped Pitman arm is installed on a TJ, it shouldn't have been and it just results in bump steer. Bump steer is when the steering wheel is jerked right or left out of your hands when you drive over a bump or dip in the road.

Have you tried spraying the control arm bolts with something like Liquid Wrench and letting it soak in for a couple hours? WD-40 will not work for this.

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lots of wd40... Thats how i got mine off.
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Okay, Im confused. They dont provide a track bar mount but they tell you to drill a new hole 3/4" over and install the track bar in new hole. I held up the new pitman arm to the stock one thats on now and the angle of the new pitman arm seems like it would correspond to the drag link after the 4" lift. But what youre saying is that the stock pitman would work fine? It seems that it would be too "high" and it wouldnt match up with the link. Help me out here, Im a newbie and this is my first lift. Thanks.
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Ok when you move the track bar 3/4" over you will have bump steer. When you install the dropped pitman arm (dpa), it should eliminate it or at least lower it.

If you drill a hole but dont install the dpa you will have some bump steer.
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whether you need the new pitman or not i don't know, a yj should always get one.

but if its stuck. spray the splines w/ penatrating lube. rap impact as tight as the puller will go. first try tapping, and hitting pitman all around. let sit for a minute and hit the impact a bunch more times. repeat once or twice. if it still won't budge. rap the gun again, and heat the pitman arm around the outside where the spines are w/ a torch. keep hitting it with the gun.

that should work. snap on, and other hi end tool companies have a pitman arm puller that wraps around the whole arm, not just two sides. i've seen guys do what i'm telling you, and trying for a long time. and this puller takes it off in seconds.
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Ok when you move the track bar 3/4" over you will have bump steer. When you install the dropped pitman arm (dpa), it should eliminate it or at least lower it.

If you drill a hole but dont install the dpa you will have some bump steer.
Wrong!
Moving the track-bar over will not produce bump steer. Lowering the track-bar at the axle will.
Installing a drop pitman arm and NOT installing a drop track-bar bracket on the upper/frame side will cause bump steer.
Do not install the drop pitman arm just as stated above by JB.
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4point I assume you drilled it?
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If I dont install the new pitman arm, should I drill the hole over a little further than 3/4" or does that not make any difference?
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if your kit says install the pitman arm, AND relocate the trackbar i'd do it. jerry knows what he's talking about. sounds like he's saying don't put the pitman arm on if you don't address the track bar.
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4point I assume you drilled it?
Yes, and it worked. No more bump steer.
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If I dont install the new pitman arm, should I drill the hole over a little further than 3/4" or does that not make any difference?
It works, but I was told it compromises the integrity of the bracket. I had already installed the drop pitman arm, so I bought an RK adjustable track-bar with the frame side drop bracket.
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The trick of it all is keeping the Drag Link and the Track Bar parallel. If the lines of the two intersect and form an X you will have bump steer. Mr. Clifford is the one who explained it to me and it works.
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heat gets bolts off.
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It looks like if I dont install the new pitman the drag link is going to be way off at a pretty severe angle. nowhere close to parallel. Thats what would create the bump steer right? So Im back at square one, tryin to get the stupid thing off.
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It looks like if I dont install the new pitman the drag link is going to be way off at a pretty severe angle. nowhere close to parallel. Thats what would create the bump steer right? So Im back at square one, tryin to get the stupid thing off.
Don't do it. You can always put it on later if you have to.
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don't skip it cuz its hard. take my advice, and if it still won't budge, find the nice puller i'm telling you about, or bribe someone that can get it off.
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Thanks for the help guys. I blasted it with heat for a minute or 2 and it just gave. Didnt even pop off like a shotgun, just eased right off.
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Oh sheesh. You should NOT install that dropped Pitman arm. Regardless of your trackbar mounting hole being drilled 3/4" over to re-center the axle, you STILL must run the OE Pitman arm or you WILL get bump steer.

Relocating the trackbar's mounting point over 3/4" has nothing to do with if you need a dropped Pitman arm, you got some bad advice above in post #5. Period. Not an Internet rumor, don't install that dropped Pitman arm unless you want bump steer. That's a promise.
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Ok when you move the track bar 3/4" over you will have bump steer. When you install the dropped pitman arm (dpa), it should eliminate it or at least lower it.

If you drill a hole but dont install the dpa you will have some bump steer.
Where DO you come up with this stuff!
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Where DO you come up with this stuff!
nice Jerry nice
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when I installed my lift I did install the DPA but had bump steer from hell so after the advise from here (first TJ lift install) I put the stock back on. I did put a adjustable TB so no drilling although I do not see where moving the TB over should raise or lower it to make the DPA necessary.
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Well I already have the new one on, and since Im tired of messin with it, Im just gonna finish the rest of the lift and if I have to change it back later, I will. At least now I know how to get it off. Thanks.
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Where DO you come up with this stuff!
from people that ran it HERE.
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from people that ran it HERE.
Then you misunderstood what was being said. You can't just base what you say here on what you read here.
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Then you misunderstood what was being said. You can't just base what you say here on what you read here.
there was person here that drilled it and had bump steer like no other.. Finally got tires of it and put on a drop bracket and was fine. I dont remember if it was from the picture thread but it was a while ago when we talked about it. I've seen people talking about it couple times before that too. I guess we should start calling the manufacturers and tell them they have no idea what they are doing by supplying a dpa
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there was person here that drilled it and had bump steer like no other.. Finally got tires of it and put on a drop bracket and was fine. I dont remember if it was from the picture thread but it was a while ago when we talked about it. I've seen people talking about it couple times before that too. I guess we should start calling the manufacturers and tell them they have no idea what they are doing by supplying a dpa
seems to me the BETTER quality suppliers do not supply a dpa with the lift..

RE doesnt, JKS doesnt, ect
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they supply new trackbars. Unless its an economy kit.
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If I were you, I'd quietly drop out of this bump steer/trackbar discussion.
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Timmy, what lift kit did you buy?
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